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You can definitely create a playlist of Tidal selections with the BluOS app, and it (the playlist) can even be a mix of tunes from Tidal and your own sources. Once you have created a playlist in BluOS, no need to go to Tidal. The playlist will go to whatever source is needed to play the cuts.
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I will add that any playlist created on Tidal's app also shows up on my Bluesound app, so you can do it either way.
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Tidal does have their own curated playlist, but they are just so so IMO. No where near as good as Pandora, Spotify or iTunes Radio. But of course you can't currently beat Tidals sound quality. So as previously mentioned, create your own playlist with a mix of Tidal and your own stuff and all will be good.
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I'm running the Bluesound app on my Android phone (rarely) and Android Asus TF300T tablet. After the most recent update a couple of days ago, I'm get odd problems that won't go away.

1. When I open the app and look at my own library in "album" view, only the first 1/2 dozen albums' artwork displays. Scrolling down the rest of them are perhaps a 1 pixel tall colored line at frame width. I tried reloading artwork with the app's function for that, it lasted until I switched apps. Go back to the Bluesound app, it's back to the problem condition. Of note, the album name and artist name are there, and if I click on one to see it's contents, the smaller version of the artwork is there.

When I swipe to see the list of artists, any one I click one does show the artwork correctly. I don't have so many of any one artist that I would have to scroll down, so I don't know if that problem would occur in this mode.

2. When I click on Tidal as the source, same results. There is no way to reload artwork in Tidal mode, that I know of.

Does anyone else have this problem? I think it may be that the version on Android on my tablet is old, so I'll try to see if it can be updated.

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+1 on the comments about Apple and I'm a fan of their products in some regards. In particular, their ease of use. Unfortunately I and most others here are Audio/Videophiles on these forums so we are always seeking better. So for now, Tidal is my streaming service of choice, Pandora is second for their track based radio stations. Now I'm just waiting for some MQA content.
contemplating a node 2 myself for high resolution. I have a question does it matter if I use the optical or coaxial on the node 2 as far as performance?

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contemplating a node 2 myself for high resolution. I have a question does it matter if I use the optical or coaxial on the node 2 as far as performance?
Probably not depending on your DAC etc

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Probably not depending on you DAC etc
Thanks. I presently have a sonos connect so I am seeing some mixed comments on the improvement of one over the other. Since my goal is to play high resolution I do know the connect cannot do so.

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Thanks. I presently have a sonos connect so I am seeing some mixed comments on the improvement of one over the other. Since my goal is to play high resolution I do know the connect cannot do so.
I'm currently using the Connect and am thinking of doing the same thing - i.e. switching to the Node 2. Let me what you decide to do, as it would be great to hear your feedback after comparing the two.
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I'm currently using the Connect and am thinking of doing the same thing - i.e. switching to the Node 2. Let me what you decide to do, as it would be great to hear your feedback after comparing the two.

I just returned a $500.00 Node 2 and am going back to the Connect. I bought it in hopes of streaming Tidal MQA streams but with all the talk of Apple acquiring Tidal and doing who knows what with it I was worried that I would be stuck with a fancy new $500.00 streamer that could lose the only reason why I wanted it in the first place. We all know how Apple likes their walled garden. Honestly the streaming services offered on Bluesound are quite limited compared to Sonos. This fact alone is something to really consider as we all know how music streaming services seem to come and go.
I had been using Deezer Elite with the Connect and found Tidal Hifi a little too bassy and not as crisp as Deezer Elite anyway . And since Deezer Elite is not available on the Bluesound I thought it made sense to wait this whole MQA business out till after the dust settles.
I also think Apple, Google, and Amazon will probably be the only players left in 5 years.

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Tidal/Apple/MQA

What worries me is right now all is quiet about MQA. A month or so ago there was much chatter, but now I haven't heard anything in a while about any of this. I was looking so forward to MQA.

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What worries me is right now all is quiet about MQA. A month or so ago there was much chatter, but now I haven't heard anything in a while about any of this. I was looking so forward to MQA.
Why are you excited about a new lossless compression format that one hopes will not modify the source material in any way?
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I heard back to back (off/on, really) examples of 16/44.1, 24/96 FLAC and MQA files, same song on same system.

My ears aren't good enough to be truly "wowed" but it was a noticeable improvement between 16/44.1 and MQA. I couldn't discern a significant difference in sound between 24/96 FLAC and MQA, but files size difference is notable.

Time will tell if it catches on, though I would like to have my Bluesound Vault capable of playing MQA for a few files I've downloaded. I doubt that people happy with low level Pandora and the like will be interested.

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Why are you excited about a new lossless compression format that one hopes will not modify the source material in any way?
Audiophiles (that's what most are on these forums) are always looking for improvement in sound quality. MQA can offer just that if dine correctly. While this may not appeal to the masses it certainly will for audiophiles. It will also be a huge improvement for streaming which is the way many are now listening to music.
Upon my next visit to my local dealer I will ask to do a comparison with MQA files and I'll report back with my opinion.
Here's a link, http://www.mqa.co.uk/customer/how-it-works that gives great detail about how MQA accomplishes what they claim. This hobby is very subjective, but for me, MQA is something to be excited about. YMMV.

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I am an audiophile and the only thing that I see this as a benefit for is for streaming larger files over small pipes. Like being excited about zip or rar files.
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I am an audiophile and the only thing that I see this as a benefit for is for streaming larger files over small pipes. Like being excited about zip or rar files.
MQA is really better than just that files size thing, you simply get more benefit the better your system is.

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I wonder of any owner of the original Node (N100) could share with me their experience. A relative of mine got one off eBay and later today I'm heading over to help him get it working.

My question is about the Node's ability to access files, and where. We have a USB 3.0 Seagate drive with a music folder and some 14,000 songs (in FLAC and WAV format.) If we plug this into the USB port on the back of the unit and leave it there, will it be able to find the drive without doing anything special? I suppose we could also plug it into his PC and create a share and mapping to it, though that's more work and requires his PC to be on any time he wants to listen to the local library rather than Tidal Hi-Fi.

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I wonder of any owner of the original Node (N100) could share with me their experience. A relative of mine got one off eBay and later today I'm heading over to help him get it working.

My question is about the Node's ability to access files, and where. We have a USB 3.0 Seagate drive with a music folder and some 14,000 songs (in FLAC and WAV format.) If we plug this into the USB port on the back of the unit and leave it there, will it be able to find the drive without doing anything special? I suppose we could also plug it into his PC and create a share and mapping to it, though that's more work and requires his PC to be on any time he wants to listen to the local library rather than Tidal Hi-Fi.

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I have an original Node and I have a 64gb 3.0 USB flash drive plugged into it.
It pulls up the drive and sorts the songs by artist, album, and song.
It even shows HD on the HiRes ones and CD on the standard.

I have the Node hooked up with optical and analog into my Denon 4520 and you have to use analog for the HD (192khz I believe) songs but the Node seems to handle the DA Conversion with little to no sound difference.

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I own a couple of first generation nodes, and in my experience they can handle USB thumb drives, but get quite sluggish with anything over 64GB. I got around this by putting all my music (in FLAC format) onto a 1TB hard drive (only cost me $70) and plugging that into my router and use that as a dedicated Bluesound NAS. It works great like that.
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Is the playback sluggish in some way or (as I suspect) just the "library" function of displaying what's on there? He's got 45 days to return the USB 3.0 1TB drive, and I'm kind of urging him to do so and just get a NAS or at least a 1TB hard drive for his PC that seems to be on most of the time anyhow.

He should have the Node this afternoon. I downloaded the most recent firmware for an N100 from Bluesound's website and put the file on a USB stick, just in case the unit he's getting hasn't been updated. I did the update to my Vault earlier today just to be familiar with how that goes. Easy.

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Yeah, the library was very "glitchy" when there was too much plugged directly into the node's USB.
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I'm going to attach the USB 3.0 (1TB) drive to his PC rather than the Node N100 directly, and set the path to that. It occurs to me that his computer is newer and may have a higher data transfer rate though USB on that machine than it would on the older Node. Being meant for updates, that port may be slower.

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So we got the Node connected yesterday and it wasn't as easy as it should have been. Looking back now I think the problems had more to do with the fact that he had the Bluesound app on both his Android devices and they were previously hooked up to my Vault. We had taken the one Ethernet cable he had connected to his Samsung SmartTV and fed it to an unmanaged switch. We then used short Ethernet patch cables to connect to his TV and the Node. We got "blue" on the indicator light almost immediately and his TV accessed the interweb no problem so I knew the Node was connected and talking with his network. We had the blue light but still couldn't find the Node with the devices. I found on Bluesounds website the procedure to reset the Node to factory defaults and did that as it was a used unit from eBay. I connected the USB drive with the music folder (library of about 12,000 songs) to his PC and I set shares.

Once we figured out (by chance, I'm sure) how to get the Android phone and Kindle Fire tablet connected to the Node, I was able to set the share path and it immediately indexed the songs in that file. Cool. We do notice that glitchy display of album artwork, though it can and does play library music no problem. We got his Tidal Hi-Fi account working easily, no glitches with that.

He is now enjoying better quality sound. He started with playing Pandora through his TV several months ago, outputting to Klipsch R-24F/R-25C/R-14M speakers and SVS SB1000 sub, Denon AVR-S700BT receiver. Now he's got a pair of PSB Imagine T speakers, and playing Tidal Hi-Fi and a personal library of CD's (WAV and FLAC) through a Node. Placement of the speakers is also changed, some experimentation with sub placement and room treatments is next, then converting the rest of the speakers to PSB Imagine series. He's floored by the improvements over the past couple of months. So am I!
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I have an original Node and I have a 64gb 3.0 USB flash drive plugged into it.
It pulls up the drive and sorts the songs by artist, album, and song.
It even shows HD on the HiRes ones and CD on the standard.

I have the Node hooked up with optical and analog into my Denon 4520 and you have to use analog for the HD (192khz I believe) songs but the Node seems to handle the DA Conversion with little to no sound difference.

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Hi mate, just had a question about the 24bit 192k files not being able to be output to the toslink out and having to go to the RCA out. I hadn't seen this in any reviews so just wanted to double check with you.

Unless you meant MQA music specifically could only be played via the RCA outs?

Apologies if I misunderstood and thanks in advance ! :-)


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Hi mate, just had a question about the 24bit 192k files not being able to be output to the toslink out and having to go to the RCA out. I hadn't seen this in any reviews so just wanted to double check with you.

Unless you meant MQA music specifically could only be played via the RCA outs?

Apologies if I misunderstood and thanks in advance ! :-)


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I think it might have to do with my receiver and Audyssey?

Not sure but my DVD-Audio hi-res stereo won't play through my Oppo 103D either but the lower hi-res 5.1 channel will.
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I never had any trouble sending music from my Bluesound Vault to my receiver using the analog output and have tried the TosLink with no issues. However, those were all WAV and FLAC files of no higher than 24/96. I'm using the analog outputs now, figuring the DAC in the Vault may be better than my NAD receiver, though I can't tell any difference so it may be the same being both are Lenbrook company products.

My Vault is current, running BluOS Ver. 2.2.3 so I'll try planting an MQA file I have on my PC onto the Vault's directory and see what happens. Curious now, don't know why I hadn't tried it before other than the files I have aren't music I normally enjoy.
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any news when Roon will be added to the blusound node2/ node products?

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any news when Roon will be added to the blusound node2/ node products?
On the Bluesound support forum it was announced on October 6th that Roon and Bluesound have come to terms and there WILL be integration with the next update release of BlueOS. The inference given is that it will be before the end of this year.

It will be a case of BlueOS running within the Roon "master" system. I think that's the way it should be of course, because Roon can do so much and BlueOS is only usable for the Bluesound/NAD/PSB (Lenbrook) product family.

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Ken have you heard anything about if they plan to add Apple Music?


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Mqa

I had a chance to demo some MQA files today through a Bluesound node. Steely Dan- Deacon blues, The Doors- Riders on the storm and Ella Fitzgerald/Louis Armstrong- They can't take that away from me. We A/B'd between MQA and Hi-Res files. The sound difference between the two was night and day and easily recognizable. I was very impressed. What I liked the most was I listened to tracks that I knew quite well.

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Ooh...where/how could I get my hands on those files to try them. Finally music I like!

On the down side, I wouldn't be able to listen to them for up to a week or so. I'm shipping my Bluesound Vault off tomorrow for a warranty replacement/upgrade to Vault 2. Just getting twice the storage (matching my backup NAS) will be nice, though I understand it's got a little bit faster processor and maybe a couple other features my early model doesn't have.

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Ooh...where/how could I get my hands on those files to try them. Finally music I like!

On the down side, I wouldn't be able to listen to them for up to a week or so. I'm shipping my Bluesound Vault off tomorrow for a warranty replacement/upgrade to Vault 2. Just getting twice the storage (matching my backup NAS) will be nice, though I understand it's got a little bit faster processor and maybe a couple other features my early model doesn't have.
I asked my dealer the same question about those files and he was tight lipped about it. My guess is that it's a dealer exclusive. I'm going back tonight for an after hours event at the store and I will certainly inquire about it again. I am also seeking MQA files that I like. The way my dealer talked, it appears MQA is still in its infancy stage. If I get any information I will pass it on.

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