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What is the output settings on this x10?
2160p 60hz 4:4:4?
RGB or YCbCr
10-bit?
HDR capable?
Does it bitstream HD Audio (DTS-HD, TrueHD, Atmos, DTS:X)?

Thanks
The FMP-X10 is a player for Sony Downloaded movies ,Netflix, 4k Home videos and MP4s.
It is not a Recording device or HDR and does not stream.
There are no adjustments, or other features.

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VIDEO COMPRESSION RESOLUTION up to 3840 x 2160/60p
HEVC (H.265) YES
AVC (H.264) YES
XAVC S YES
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NETFLIX feature not available???
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NETFLIX feature not available???
??? I just finished watching 3 episodes of Netflix's Jessica Jones in glorious 4K on the X-10.

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Thats odd.. I will double check after work and post my version number.. I did a software check last night and it said it had the latest software..
I noticed that the Netflix option was not in the menu at the bottom and I got the above error when I pressed the Netflix button in the X10 remote control.

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Thats odd.. I will double check after work and post my version number.. I did a software check last night and it said it had the latest software..
I noticed that the Netflix option was not in the menu at the bottom and I got the above error when I pressed the Netflix button in the X10 remote control.

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Thats odd.. I will double check after work and post my version number.. I did a software check last night and it said it had the latest software..
I noticed that the Netflix option was not in the menu at the bottom and I got the above error when I pressed the Netflix button in the X10 remote control.

Try refreshing your internet content on the x-10 as well. I had to do that once when Netflix would not launch on the x10.
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Try refreshing your internet content on the x-10 as well. I had to do that once when Netflix would not launch on the x10.
Thanks.. that did the trick!
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I just got a X1 media player, I thought theres free pre loaded movies, im not seeing them?
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There are preloaded 'shorts', but I don't recall seeing free full length movies on mine.
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I just got a X1 media player, I thought theres free pre loaded movies, im not seeing them?
There was a limited selection of free movies when the device was first released, but that offer expired quite some time ago.
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Any word of Amazon being part of the x10??
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Any word of Amazon being part of the x10??
The X10 has been deprecated. The Amazon app will never, ever see the day of light. Sorry.

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The X10 has been deprecated. The Amazon app will never, ever see the day of light. Sorry.
The deprecation was on Amazon's part to eliminate competition,
not Sony or the FMP-X10 uers.

Is the 4K streamed by Amazon of any quality.
And is there any media on Amazon that is not available on Netflix except their original content ?
Basically if Amazon didn't include their video service with Amazon Prime who would care ?

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The deprecation was on Amazon's part to eliminate competition,
not Sony or the FMP-X10 uers.
I'm pretty sure Sony has abandoned the X-10 as well. There have been no updates since Spring.

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Basically if Amazon didn't include their video service with Amazon Prime who would care ?
That's an excellent question. I have the Fire TV 4K, but it's not hooked up the correct HDCP port on my receiver, so I can't comment. However, it also seems that the Fire TV 4K only allows for Amazon 4K content and not for Netflix, which makes a poor replacement for the X-10 out of the gate (aside from the fact that downloaded media looks much better than streamed to begin with).

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Basically if Amazon didn't include their video service with Amazon Prime who would care?
Suspect not very many, I have Prime and really don't care. At one time Amazon listed the content they had available in UHD but now that is gone.

It appears the Amazon app is still MIA for NVIDIA Shield owners. They (Amazon) must believe they are the next Apple .
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Suspect not very many, I have Prime and really don't care. At one time Amazon listed the content they had available in UHD but now that is gone.

It appears the Amazon app is still MIA for NVIDIA Shield owners. They (Amazon) must believe they are the next Apple .
Like Google and some others, Amazon keeps throwing new projects out there for consumers in hopes that some will catch on. Like the Amazon cell phones and some other consumer electronics.
Until a UHD Blu ray player hits the market there is no comparison to the FMP-x10 for 4K quality or in media availibility
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Like Google and some others, Amazon keeps throwing new projects out there for consumers in hopes that some will catch on. Like the Amazon cell phones and some other consumer electronics.
Until a UHD Blu ray player hits the market there is no comparison to the FMP-x10 for 4K quality or in media availibility
I cant wait for a 4k remaster of Blade Runner!
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Here's the thing.....

The Amazon app is on virtually every new display that hit's the streets, including Sony. Pretty sure Amazon gives two sh*ts about it being on (or not on) the X-10. The truth of the matter is Sony's willing to "roll the dice" so to speak, forcing owners of older platform's to upgrade if they want the same experience other's are getting. Worked with me, picked up a 65" 850C a couple of months ago (Which is now sitting unplugged in a spare bedroom) for no other reason, other than smart TV and or app capabilities.

I've since moved on to a beautiful OLED panel (LG EF9500) and the Amazon 4K - HDR content looks amazing on the OLED panel...So as far as their content, I'm a huge Amazon video service fan, only way to currently enjoy the added benefits of "REAL" HDR until 4K Blu-Ray hit's the streets.

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Very naive to think Amazon has anything to do with this.

Picture the meeting, last April. Amazon, Sony.

"Hi Amazon, we have 27 devices we'd like you to adapt your app for. These include 18 TVs, 3 UHD Blu-ray Players, and many more things. Oh, and by the way we also have this dead codebase that used a one-off fork of our old Blu-ray Player code to implement a media streamer called the X10, would you mind adapting that one too?"

"Guys we have like 2 humans dedicated to your apps, how do you prioritize those?"

"Well, you absolutely have to get on all of our TVs, and you must be on the UHD Blu-ray Players and both of those represent our forward platforms. The X10 is admittedly being EOL'd next month internally and has no internal developers. Maybe put that one at the bottom of the list."

"Got it, TVs and UHD Blu-ray Players, to match up with your CES announcements."

"Sounds good."

At this point the discussion is moot. Both Fire TV 4K and Roku 4 bring Amazon UHD to just about any 4K TV and cost the same as the rubber feet on the X10. Move along.
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About sums it up...The X10 is a dead platform. Not saying it still doesn't serve a purpose for folks, watched Elysium on the X10 the other night on the OLED and it looked beyond phenomenal!! However, in a couple of months it will be irrelevant (if not considered so already) with UHD-BD hitting the streets..

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Very naive to think Amazon has anything to do with this.

Picture the meeting, last April. Amazon, Sony.

"Hi Amazon, we have 27 devices we'd like you to adapt your app for. These include 18 TVs, 3 UHD Blu-ray Players, and many more things. Oh, and by the way we also have this dead codebase that used a one-off fork of our old Blu-ray Player code to implement a media streamer called the X10, would you mind adapting that one too?"

"Guys we have like 2 humans dedicated to your apps, how do you prioritize those?"

"Well, you absolutely have to get on all of our TVs, and you must be on the UHD Blu-ray Players and both of those represent our forward platforms. The X10 is admittedly being EOL'd next month internally and has no internal developers. Maybe put that one at the bottom of the list."

"Got it, TVs and UHD Blu-ray Players, to match up with your CES announcements."

"Sounds good."

At this point the discussion is moot. Both Fire TV 4K and Roku 4 bring Amazon UHD to just about any 4K TV and cost the same as the rubber feet on the X10. Move along.
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About sums it up...The X10 is a dead platform. Not saying it still doesn't serve a purpose for folks, watched Elysium on the X10 the other night on the OLED and it looked beyond phenomenal!! However, in a couple of months it will be irrelevant (if not considered so already) with UHD-BD hitting the streets..

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All the above is probably true and fairly accurate.
Sony has actually hung in there for quite a while with an attempt to furnish some quality 4K material
It was back in 2012 when Sony furnished the first 4K players when you purchased certain 4K tvs. They were big Dell desktop computers running headless and a proprietary Sony HTPC program.
The software and media were pre-installed.
This was followed a year later by the X1 and then about a year later the X10.
Each model was a step up in setup, convenience, reliability and availability of media.
Considering there were no UHD Blu Ray players or any Amazon or Roku set top boxes until recently Sony did step up.
I believe even now after visiting several of the other forum sites Sony performs remarkably well.
We have true UHD 4K and 5.1 lossless PCM sound some others are not getting those features
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We have true UHD 4K and 5.1 lossless PCM sound some others are not getting those features
Well, said! Anyone who streams is missing out on a lot of details. IMHO, that's true even for HD streaming and especially for 4K.

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Well, said! Anyone who streams is missing out on a lot of details. IMHO, that's true even for HD streaming and especially for 4K.
I think the point is that we were baited and switched into believing they were going to support this box as new services became available. The Roku 4K has been out less than a month and has about 5 different service options for 4K content. If all I wanted it for was the Sony content I could have just stuck with the X1.
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I think the point is that we were baited and switched into believing they were going to support this box as new services became available. The Roku 4K has been out less than a month and has about 5 different service options for 4K content. If all I wanted it for was the Sony content I could have just stuck with the X1.
I just checked the Roku's website. Out of curiosity, what are the 4K content choices?

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I just checked the Roku's website. Out of curiosity, what are the 4K content choices?
Just going from memory here, as I'm not in front of it:

Netflix
Amazon
Vudu
Ultraflix
M-Go
Smithsonian Earth (?)

All of those have some content that is exclusive to them, this is not just the same content on every service.

There are others they list as having 4K content. They have a "4K Showcase" or something like that where you can get links directly to individual content and they also list all individual providers. Some of the ones they list I'm not sure what they have, as I've only been exploring it recently.

Interesting to note is that on Vudu, they specifically tell you if the content has Dolby Atmos or HDR.

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Amazon
Vudu
Ultraflix
M-Go
Smithsonian Earth (?)
Thanks for the quick reply! The first 3 are pretty much all I'd be looking for. Those are all 4K, correct? That's impressive!

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Thanks for the quick reply! The first 3 are pretty much all I'd be looking for. Those are all 4K, correct? That's impressive!
Yes, they all have varying levels of 4K content. The quality of that content I'm not debating. But I'm so done with the "no content" 4K argument that is prevalent on AVS and in the media.

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Thanks for the quick reply! The first 3 are pretty much all I'd be looking for. Those are all 4K, correct? That's impressive!
Please note that a lot of content that is released as UHD is just up-scaled from 2K DI masters and therefore not truly UHD content. Click here for a thread that has links to film and digital camera content that has ≥ 4K DI masters. There is notes about projects shot in 2.8K (i.e., Skyfall) and mastered as a 4K DI.
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Please note that a lot of content that is released as UHD is just up-scaled from 2K DI masters and therefore not truly UHD content. Click here for a thread that has links to film and digital camera content that has ≥ 4K DI masters. There is notes about projects shot in 2.8K (i.e., Skyfall) and mastered as a 4K DI.
So basically, if the content didn't get a 4K scan or higher, it probably isn't worth the time to mess with, or at the very least it isn't worth paying extra for.

How do we know that the provider is going to bother to give us the correct version of the titles on the list you linked to? I mean, Vudu can't even get aspect ratios or proper number of audio channels right on many titles.

I think this is going to be a huge problem as people migrate to streaming content instead of buying physical media.

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So basically, if the content didn't get a 4K scan or higher, it probably isn't worth the time to mess with, or at the very least it isn't worth paying extra for.
Why would you want to pay about $30.00 for any 4K media that is not 4K with lossless sound ?

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How do we know that the provider is going to bother to give us the correct version of the titles on the list you linked to? I mean, Vudu can't even get aspect ratios or proper number of audio channels right on many titles.
A plus for Sony and the FMP-1X or the X10. They always delivered real 4K with lossless PCM sound in 5.1

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I think this is going to be a huge problem as people migrate to streaming content instead of buying physical media.
Streaming media ? Other than Netflix on the X10 streaming is probmatic on every device. Studdering etc is the norm with real 4K
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