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Hi everyone, I see everyone is still enjoying the fantastic Tidal Hifi service. I have a question on Tidal and the DragonFly USB DAC. I use the DAC with my Galaxy Note 4 and both the USB Audio Player Pro and Tidal Hifi apps. I can not seem to get bit perfect audio from the DAC via the Tidal Hifi app. The DAC shows a 96Khz sampling rate with the Tidal app and the expected 44.1Khz rate with the USB Audio Player Pro app. The DAC does sound very good - so much so that I bought another ESS based DAC (Oppo Sonica) for my home theater to use with Tidal. Is there anyway to get a bit perfect output while listening to the Tidal Hifi app? I have looked at all the settings including changing the USB type to 'audio' on the Note 4. I bought the DragonFly mostly to listen to off-line Tidal content but I see that might not be happening. The Note 4's headphone output sounds better than the DragonFly when using the Tidal Hifi app!
Audiophil--I don't believe it's possible to get Bit perfect in the Tidal Android app, only on the desktop app.

Don't want to assume you don't already know all this but just thought I would mention you can turn on Bit perfect in USB audio settings in USB Audio Player Pro (UAPP). I've got my older Tegra tablet connected to a Meridian Explorer2 via OTG and it decodes Tidal MQA. I don't know that there is a way to do offline Tidal with UAPP, yet anyway.

Listening offline with the Tidal Android app is pretty straight forward but just with the standard HiFi 44100. I do that with both my tablet and FiiO X5III. Unfortunately the FiiO won't do OTG/DAC mode with my current setup; only workable using my circa 2014 Tegra Android 4.3 tablet!

I'm pretty new to all of this so if anyone knows different please chime in.
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Audiophil--I don't believe it's possible to get Bit perfect in the Tidal Android app, only on the desktop app.

Don't want to assume you don't already know all this but just thought I would mention you can turn on Bit perfect in USB audio settings in USB Audio Player Pro (UAPP). I've got my older Tegra tablet connected to a Meridian Explorer2 via OTG and it decodes Tidal MQA. I don't know that there is a way to do offline Tidal with UAPP, yet anyway.

Listening offline with the Tidal Android app is pretty straight forward but just with the standard HiFi 44100. I do that with both my tablet and FiiO X5III. Unfortunately the FiiO won't do OTG/DAC mode with my current setup; only workable using my circa 2014 Tegra Android 4.3 tablet!

I'm pretty new to all of this so if anyone knows different please chime in.
Thanks Bob for the info! Yes, the Tidal offline files are not playable via USBAPP. I would quess that they are encrypted so only the Tidal app will play them. Trying to play them with anything else will give you an error. I might try to contact Tidal and see if they can include support for offline playback via USB DAC in the next release of the app.

Scott, thanks for the kind words!
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What might be some of the best/highest quality network streamers for Tidal/MQA? Noticed several on the MQA website. I know bluesound is popular, but what about the others? Thanks. SJ


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I just ordered the Cary Audio DMS-500 network streamer, which is Tidal/Roon ready. I will post some feedback about it once I receive it and get it running.
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I just ordered the Cary Audio DMS-500 network streamer, which is Tidal/Roon ready. I will post some feedback about it once I receive it and get it running.
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I am wondering if anyone else has seen this with TIDAL. I has a HIFI subscription and using the Apple IOS app on an iPhone 6. When using the 'skip to next song" (just to the right of Play/Pause) at around the 4th or 5th time I do that, it will not start playing the next song (progress bar stays at 00:00). If I drag the song progress bar just a second or two, the song then kicks in and starts playing.

It happens on on WIFI network and cellular mode. The best way to describe this problem is that TIDAL just doesn't want to get a song going (it pauses at the start of a song) if I start using the "skip to next song" function. As I stated, it does this if I use the "skip to next song" after about 4 or 5 times. If I hit skip again, it will play that subsequent song, but the consistent behavior is that TIDAL seems to get stuck starting a song when using the "skip to next song" button after a few times.

Anybody else see this behavior ?

It's frustrating and issuing a problem report eMail via the TIDAL support page seems like sending it to a black hole (no formal response mechanism) .
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I am wondering if anyone else has seen this with TIDAL. I has a HIFI subscription and using the Apple IOS app on an iPhone 6. When using the 'skip to next song" (just to the right of Play/Pause) at around the 4th or 5th time I do that, it will not start playing the next song (progress bar stays at 00:00). If I drag the song progress bar just a second or two, the song then kicks in and starts playing.

It happens on on WIFI network and cellular mode. The best way to describe this problem is that TIDAL just doesn't want to get a song going (it pauses at the start of a song) if I start using the "skip to next song" function. As I stated, it does this if I use the "skip to next song" after about 4 or 5 times. If I hit skip again, it will play that subsequent song, but the consistent behavior is that TIDAL seems to get stuck starting a song when using the "skip to next song" button after a few times.

Anybody else see this behavior ?

It's frustrating and issuing a problem report eMail via the TIDAL support page seems like sending it to a black hole (no formal response mechanism) .
Try uninstalling and re-loading the app?

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I am wondering if anyone else has seen this with TIDAL. I has a HIFI subscription and using the Apple IOS app on an iPhone 6. When using the 'skip to next song" (just to the right of Play/Pause) at around the 4th or 5th time I do that, it will not start playing the next song (progress bar stays at 00:00). If I drag the song progress bar just a second or two, the song then kicks in and starts playing.



It happens on on WIFI network and cellular mode. The best way to describe this problem is that TIDAL just doesn't want to get a song going (it pauses at the start of a song) if I start using the "skip to next song" function. As I stated, it does this if I use the "skip to next song" after about 4 or 5 times. If I hit skip again, it will play that subsequent song, but the consistent behavior is that TIDAL seems to get stuck starting a song when using the "skip to next song" button after a few times.



Anybody else see this behavior ?



It's frustrating and issuing a problem report eMail via the TIDAL support page seems like sending it to a black hole (no formal response mechanism) .

I don't have this issue at all. As was advised earlier, uninstall and reinstall the app.

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I don't have this issue at all. As was advised earlier, uninstall and reinstall the app.
I had uninstalled and reinstalled the IOS app before posting the problem. Same behavior, still pauses at the beginning of a track. It's like the TIDAL server stream just gets stuck starting the track.
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Hmm...

Glad I don't use Apple anything then. I may have troubles now & then with Android or Windows, but they always seem to be solved quick and permanently.

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Here is the response from Tidal on off-line USB DACs:
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Feb 27, 7:41 AM EST

Hello,

I checked with our programming team and the answer to your questions is "No, it does not output bit perfect audio to a USB DAC in offline mode."

If you have any further questions concerning this, please let me know.

Have a nice day!

Best Regards,

Kevin - Technical Support Specialist
TIDAL Member Support
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So if want to use a USB DAC with Tidal Hifi and have it sound well then you can only stream content. Hopefully this is helpful for anyone looking to improve their on the go Tidal Hifi service.

The Galaxy Note 4 I use does sound pretty good with the Tidal Hifi app and the analog headphone out. Not dedicated DAC good but good for on the go use. Most of you will probably already know this, but when using the app in a car turn the playback device's volume to full and of course use the Aux input. Don't bother with Bluetooth.
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Can only stream Tidal at 320kbps on Marantz/Denon HEOS

I have a new Marantz AV8805 processor and I can't seem to get Tidal to stream at HiFi through the HEOS app. It only streams at 320kbps. I verified my Tidal account is up to date and I pay for the HiFi (highest quality) streaming.

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I have a new Marantz AV8805 processor and I can't seem to get Tidal to stream at HiFi through the HEOS app. It only streams at 320kbps. I verified my Tidal account is up to date and I pay for the HiFi (highest quality) streaming.

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There is a known issue with the TIDAL HIFI account, in that some albums only stream lossy AAC audio - sometimes at 320kbps and sometimes even at 96kbps! Have you tested enough albums? The problem albums are mostly older obscure ones, so not the latest pop releases.

If this isn't the problem and you have actually got an issue with HEOS's TIDAL HIFI account connection, it may be worth testing if you can get a third party TIDAL supporting controller app to work with the AV8805, eg, the excellent BubbleUPnP Android app - assuming these newer Denon/Marantz devices still support UPnP/DLNA.
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There is a known issue with the TIDAL HIFI account, in that some albums only stream lossy AAC audio - sometimes at 320kbps and sometimes even at 96kbps! Have you tested enough albums? The problem albums are mostly older obscure ones, so not the latest pop releases.

If this isn't the problem and you have actually got an issue with HEOS's TIDAL HIFI account connection, it may be worth testing if you can get a third party TIDAL supporting controller app to work with the AV8805, eg, the excellent BubbleUPnP Android app - assuming these newer Denon/Marantz devices still support UPnP/DLNA.


It turns out that the initial song I tested on was only offered at 320kbps. The 8805 sounds great using Tidal through the HEOS app. HiFi works great as well!


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It turns out that the initial song I tested on was only offered at 320kbps. The 8805 sounds great using Tidal through the HEOS app. HiFi works great as well!


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Could you give the details of the 320kbps AAC song, so that others with a HiFi account and a similar streamer can test it for themselves?

BTW, there's a current discussion about these lossy 320kbps & 96kbps AAC tracks being supplied on TIDAL HiFi accounts, on the Computer Audiophile forums:
Computer Audiophile - Networking, Networked Audio & Streaming: Tidal sucks
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Master quality now on smartphones?

I am using an LG V30 smartphone than can decode MQA. In the streaming and downloading option menu I can now choose Master quality. On my computer I added some Tidal Master playlists to my my music. I then played those playlists on my phone and when I tap on the selection that is playing it shows Master in blue/green at the bottom. Si it is finally available on phones, at least on the LG V30?
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Bluetooth Issues with Android Tidal App

Since upgrading my HTC10 to Android 8.0 I have been unable to stream lossless music from the Tidal app to my car over Bluetooth. The next track will play for something like 2 seconds before "pausing". The car sees the track as paused but the track appears to be still playing on the phone. If, on the phone, I jump a track to the middle, the music playing through the car will also jump but the duration displayed on the car's display will not also jump.

All other music apps are fine, including Google Play (mp3 and flac) and Spotify.
The Tidal app was fine when on Android 7.
The car is a 2016 Skoda Octavia, so has a standard VW media system.

Any ideas anyone? As there are four parties at play here (Android, HTC, VW, Tidal) no-one would appear to take responsibility.
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Android 8.1.0 on my Pixel 2 (Hardware by HTC - software by Google) works just fine with Tidal in both my Cadillac and my Jeep (Pioneer radio) over bluetooth.

Can you try another bluetooth destination to verify it's not something weird with your VW?
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Since upgrading my HTC10 to Android 8.0 I have been unable to stream lossless music from the Tidal app to my car over Bluetooth. The next track will play for something like 2 seconds before "pausing". The car sees the track as paused but the track appears to be still playing on the phone. If, on the phone, I jump a track to the middle, the music playing through the car will also jump but the duration displayed on the car's display will not also jump.

All other music apps are fine, including Google Play (mp3 and flac) and Spotify.
The Tidal app was fine when on Android 7.
The car is a 2016 Skoda Octavia, so has a standard VW media system.

Any ideas anyone? As there are four parties at play here (Android, HTC, VW, Tidal) no-one would appear to take responsibility.
I have a similar issue in my Outback. When I start the car it. will recognize my iPhone, start playing Tidal for a couple of seconds and then go to pause. To get music playing again I simply hit the call button on my steering wheel to make a call, then hit the hang up button and the music will start playing. Annoying but an easy enough work around. I'm sure at some point another update will resolve this issue. Hope this helps.

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Wich its the cheap way to listen tidal mqa (full hardware decode)?? Dac? integrated amplifier? network player?

I have an htpc and a yamaha 479.
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I use Bluesound products for the full MQA decode. Need to run RCA cables into your receiver to bypass it's DAC. The Node goes for $500.

There's also a Meridian Explorer 2 DAC for $200 that will do 24/192 or Audioquest makes Dragonfly products that will unfold to 24/96. I've used them with headphones though never tried running them through a HTPC/receiver. The black goes for $100 and the red is $200. Can order through Amazon to try them out and return if not satisfied.
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I use Bluesound products for the full MQA decode. Need to run RCA cables into your receiver to bypass it's DAC. The Node goes for $500.

There's also a Meridian Explorer 2 DAC for $200 that will do 24/192 or Audioquest makes Dragonfly products that will unfold to 24/96. I've used them with headphones though never tried running them through a HTPC/receiver. The black goes for $100 and the red is $200. Can order through Amazon to try them out and return if not satisfied.
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The powernode its best no?

If its a dac i prefer a dsd capable one.
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The powernode its best no?

If its a dac i prefer a dsd capable one.
I own a Node and a Powernode. If you plan on using the Yamaha to power your speakers, then you just need the Node.

The Powernode has a built in amp that is 60 WPC.

The advantage of the Bluesound products is the ability to use an app to stream music directly from a service or access your library stored on your HTPC. It gives you a front end for controlling the music on a phone or tablet.

If you prefer using a program on your HTPC to do the streaming, then you might be able to get away with the cheaper Meridian or Audioquest options.

I missed your DSD question. To the best of my knowledge, the Bluesound will not play DSD files. It didn't in the past and I don't think they've updated it since. I play those through Kodi on my system.
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I use Bluesound products for the full MQA decode. Need to run RCA cables into your receiver to bypass it's DAC. The Node goes for $500.

There's also a Meridian Explorer 2 DAC for $200 that will do 24/192 or Audioquest makes Dragonfly products that will unfold to 24/96. I've used them with headphones though never tried running them through a HTPC/receiver. The black goes for $100 and the red is $200. Can order through Amazon to try them out and return if not satisfied.
And use Pure Direct depending on receiver/pre-pro/integrated amp
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I own a Node and a Powernode. If you plan on using the Yamaha to power your speakers, then you just need the Node.

The Powernode has a built in amp that is 60 WPC.

The advantage of the Bluesound products is the ability to use an app to stream music directly from a service or access your library stored on your HTPC. It gives you a front end for controlling the music on a phone or tablet.

If you prefer using a program on your HTPC to do the streaming, then you might be able to get away with the cheaper Meridian or Audioquest options.

I missed your DSD question. To the best of my knowledge, the Bluesound will not play DSD files. It didn't in the past and I don't think they've updated it since. I play those through Kodi on my system.
So the connection will be: HTPC---USB---Meridian Explorer 2---mini to RCA---Yamaha 479 (STRAIGHT MODE). The connection its AUDIO 1???

The meridian make full decode?
There is a dac dsd capable? What about Ifi nano black?



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So the connection will be: HTPC---USB---Meridian Explorer 2---mini to RCA---Yamaha 479 (STRAIGHT MODE). The connection its AUDIO 1???

The meridian make full decode?
There is a dac dsd capable? What about Ifi nano black?
That would be my understanding on connecting the Meridian to your receiver. I used it with headphones and it does offer the full decode. The Meridian has indicator lights to show you the bitrate being passed.

I'm not sure on your second question. Someone else here may be able to answer that.
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Apple Music is one of the best, since it has mastered for itunes in their songs.. Tidal added a similar thing not much time ago... So I don't know. But at first, at least, apple was the best.
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Apple Music is one of the best, since it has mastered for itunes in their songs.. Tidal added a similar thing not much time ago... So I don't know. But at first, at least, apple was the best.
I’m a fan of Apple and their products, but when it comes to sound quality they can’t touch Tidal.
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When using android auto, and the tidal app, on my head unit with sync 3(connect with usbc cable). I am not able to choose individual tracks when playing an album. Im only allowed to go to the next track, but cant see that albums individual tracks to choose from, is there a fix to this?
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I am using Nividia Shield TV for watching movies on Kodi, I can play almost all the formats, DTS-HD MA, DTS:X, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Atmos, etc. through my Yamaha AVR RX-A3050. My Jamo's Concert speakers configuration is 5.1.4.

I have a Tidal HiFi subscription, what is the best setup that you can recommend so I would be able to play MQA through my system?

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I am using Nividia Shield TV for watching movies on Kodi, I can play almost all the formats, DTS-HD MA, DTS:X, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Atmos, etc. through my Yamaha AVR RX-A3050. My Jamo's Concert speakers configuration is 5.1.4.

I have a Tidal HiFi subscription, what is the best setup that you can recommend so I would be able to play MQA through my system?
Bluesound Node 2. Order through Best Buy (or Amazon if they carry), try it out and if you don't like it return it.

I love mine regardless of MQA. Some folks believe MQA is hocus pocus, so my advice would be to try it on your own.
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