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I am using Tidal less and less as I still can't get around not having a simple "shuffle" function for my favorite artists. The closest they have come is the ability to play one of my artists and they pick and play similar artists until I say stop. So far they have created 6 My Mixes, There were only two the last time I used Tidal and I didn't care for either one. They just won't let me shuffle My Mixes.

On a positive note, I found setting up using AirPlay on an old iPad I wasn't using has worked well.

I'm also on a military discount so I'll stay with it for awhile and see what happens.

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I am using Tidal less and less as I still can't get around not having a simple "shuffle" function for my favorite artists. The closest they have come is the ability to play one of my artists and they pick and play similar artists until I say stop. So far they have created 6 My Mixes, There were only two the last time I used Tidal and I didn't care for either one. They just won't let me shuffle My Mixes.

On a positive note, I found setting up using AirPlay on an old iPad I wasn't using has worked well.

I'm also on a military discount so I'll stay with it for awhile and see what happens.
I don't have any of those issues because I use Tidal Hi-Fi via BluOS. Whatever I load into the Play queue can be shuffled, then if I like the way it was shuffled I can save it under a different name for the playlist.

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Hey all,



Was wondering if anyone would be able to throw me a bone regarding my little issue with TIDAL Masters playback.



I've recently got some new gear and if possible, I'd love to be able to stream from my laptop, using the PC software to unpack and my Denon X3400H to play.



I'm using an iPhone XS Max, so unfortunately, no MQA on iOS as far as I know.





Are my paths forward, as I take it:



1) connect via HDMI to the receiver, or,



2) wait for MQA on iOS and happily stream from my iPhone XS Max,



3) purchase an MQA/DAC that's capable of streaming via a USB connection to my PC? (is that even a thing?)
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Hey all,



Was wondering if anyone would be able to throw me a bone regarding my little issue with TIDAL Masters playback.



I've recently got some new gear and if possible, I'd love to be able to stream from my laptop, using the PC software to unpack and my Denon X3400H to play.



I'm using an iPhone XS Max, so unfortunately, no MQA on iOS as far as I know.





Are my paths forward, as I take it:



1) connect via HDMI to the receiver, or,



2) wait for MQA on iOS and happily stream from my iPhone XS Max,



3) purchase an MQA/DAC that's capable of streaming via a USB connection to my PC? (is that even a thing?)
Look into audioquest dragonfly dacs. I don’t use them but I believe that is the solution to your problem. iOS does not do MQA but again the dragon fly may be your solution. Hopefully someone with more knowledge will chime in on this for you. Also look on Tidal’s website for supported devices. Here’s the link.
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finally got my Qobuz Beta invite: signed up for the Studio plan... have been auditioning it on Aurender A10 and NAD M50.2
What’s the primary differences between Quguz and Tidal? It looks to be even more expensive. SJ
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What’s the primary differences between Quguz and Tidal? It looks to be even more expensive. SJ

I am sure there will be lots of thoughts on this: I think the biggest differences are that Tidal claims the best audio quality using MQA encoded music: a lossy codec: Qobuz offers the highest resolution without MQA

If you are a fan of MQA, you will use Tidal: if you hate MQA, Qobuz is for you

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Not sure, but I think Qobuz may have more classical and jazz selections, and could be better-organized.

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Look into audioquest dragonfly dacs. I don’t use them but I believe that is the solution to your problem. iOS does not do MQA but again the dragon fly may be your solution. Hopefully someone with more knowledge will chime in on this for you. Also look on Tidal’s website for supported devices. Here’s the link.
https://tidal.com/us/download

Awesome, thanks. I was thinking a Bluesound Node i2 might do the trick as well - but for quite a bit more.



The Dragonfly doesn't appear to allow streaming one way or another.
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Awesome, thanks. I was thinking a Bluesound Node i2 might do the trick as well - but for quite a bit more.



The Dragonfly doesn't appear to allow streaming one way or another.
As you can tell by my signature I’m a Bluesound guy (Vault, Node and Pulse Mini), so yes Bluesound is definitely a great way to go. Dragonfly is more budget friendly depending on your needs. So if budget is not in play go I get with the Node IMO is the way to go. I’d probably say 80 to 90% of my music listening is done through one of my Bluesound devices.
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As you can tell by my signature I’m a Bluesound guy (Vault, Node and Pulse Mini), so yes Bluesound is definitely a great way to go. Dragonfly is more budget friendly depending on your needs. So if budget is not in play go I get with the Node IMO is the way to go. I’d probably say 80 to 90% of my music listening is done through one of my Bluesound devices.
Me too, with a Powernode 2, Vault 2, and BluOS in my AV receiver (NAD T758v3.) I've put Node N100's and a Pulse Soundbar into 5 relatives' homes, a couple more in friend's homes. All are "on board" and a couple hove bought more.

It's just so much more than a simple streamer in so many ways because of the BluOS running it all. For me it's truly a "whole house" music solution, as I can play music in my office then move it to the living room or up to the guest room. Creating and saving playlists that can be of my own library, any streaming service, or a combination of them is great. Free, continuous updates to both the firmware and the apps that run it is very appreciated. And it works very smoothly now.

You don't get any of that with a Dragonfly DAC, and players can be had fairly cheap if you shop around. Bluesound has some older ones on their site too, for substantial discount if you don't need the latest hardware-based features.
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As you can tell by my signature I’m a Bluesound guy (Vault, Node and Pulse Mini), so yes Bluesound is definitely a great way to go. Dragonfly is more budget friendly depending on your needs. So if budget is not in play go I get with the Node IMO is the way to go. I’d probably say 80 to 90% of my music listening is done through one of my Bluesound devices.



Haha, I can tell! Nice. Thank you for the advice.



So, if I were to get the Bluesound Node 2i and connect that to my X3400H, I assume I'd use the Windows Tidal desktop application to play masters - would it require an entirely different sound device configured within my PC, or does Bluesound have a PC app capable of streaming Tidal Masters to the device? How would that work exactly?
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Haha, I can tell! Nice. Thank you for the advice.

So, if I were to get the Bluesound Node 2i and connect that to my X3400H, I assume I'd use the Windows Tidal desktop application to play masters - would it require an entirely different sound device configured within my PC, or does Bluesound have a PC app capable of streaming Tidal Masters to the device? How would that work exactly?
Absolutely NOT needed! With a Node 2i connected via it's analog outputs to your Denon AVR, all you need for everything it can do (including full MQA unfold) is a phone or tablet in hand!

You'll love the interface of the Bluesound app (IOS or Android) for playing any music. If you have a library of music, you set up the BluOS for access to it on your network, log in to any streaming accounts (except iTunes) that you may subscribe to, and away you go.
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Absolutely NOT needed! With a Node 2i connected via it's analog outputs to your Denon AVR, all you need for everything it can do (including full MQA unfold) is a phone or tablet in hand!

You'll love the interface of the Bluesound app (IOS or Android) for playing any music. If you have a library of music, you set up the BluOS for access to it on your network, log in to any streaming accounts (except iTunes) that you may subscribe to, and away you go.
You could stream iTunes via Bluetooth, but once you hear Tidal I don’t think you will. At least not very often.
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I am a huge Tidal fan and want to dip my toes into the world of Roon so an end point device is important. I find myself drawn towards the Bel Canto e-one stream. Bel Canto has produced some high quaility DAC's for a long time so I turned to this thread to find out more about the e-one stream. Did a search and came up empty with the Bel Canto. I have found very little information on the web as well. The e-one checks all the boxes and is not too bad price point wise at 1500 retail..Anyone have any insight on this unit?
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Absolutely NOT needed! With a Node 2i connected via it's analog outputs to your Denon AVR, all you need for everything it can do (including full MQA unfold) is a phone or tablet in hand!

You'll love the interface of the Bluesound app (IOS or Android) for playing any music. If you have a library of music, you set up the BluOS for access to it on your network, log in to any streaming accounts (except iTunes) that you may subscribe to, and away you go.
Oh man, better than I thought! I'm going to pull the trigger on that soon and I'll update the thread with my impressions.



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Just starting to learn about what is required for MQA and I have a few questions based on reading the last 15 months of this thread....lol

  1. I'd like to try MQA as part of the trial before investing in additional hardware like the Bluesound. Is it still necessary to get an external DAC? I have an Android phone (Samsung Galaxy S7, a Denon 4400H AVR , a Nvidia Shield connected to home theater. My understanding is that I can connect my android phone via 3.5 mm to RCA inputs on my AVR and get full MQA sound is this correct?
  2. Will the Nvidia Shield Tidal app pass MQA sound to my AVR via HDMI connection? Or would this be limited to lossless 16 bit sound?
  3. Is MQA available in the car and if so what is required?
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Just starting to learn about what is required for MQA and I have a few questions based on reading the last 15 months of this thread....lol

  1. I'd like to try MQA as part of the trial before investing in additional hardware like the Bluesound. Is it still necessary to get an external DAC? I have an Android phone (Samsung Galaxy S7, a Denon 4400H AVR , a Nvidia Shield connected to home theater. My understanding is that I can connect my android phone via 3.5 mm to RCA inputs on my AVR and get full MQA sound is this correct?
  2. Will the Nvidia Shield Tidal app pass MQA sound to my AVR via HDMI connection? Or would this be limited to lossless 16 bit sound?
  3. Is MQA available in the car and if so what is required?
I went through this a while back. It is confusing. You will never get full MQA unfold without an MQA capable DAC. MQA has three stages of "unfolding."

The best way to experience partial MQA (first unfold only) is get a Tidal Hi-Fi subscription and enable the MQA (Masters) option in the software, which is added software to the basic Tidal Hi-Fi software.

Use your Denon AVR, HEOS and Tidal. You could also try UpNP app like I switched to (mConnect).

With Tidal HiFi and HEOS you will be able to hear MQA files at 24/44 or 24/48 whereas without it you'd be listening at 16/44. This will give you a partial taste of MQA capabilities. Some songs are MQA but recorded at 24/48 so on those you will be getting the full MQA experience. Other MQA recordings that are above 24/48 will only play at that level without an MQA DAC. If you get a DAC with MQA it will completely unfold to the highest resolution the song was recorded in. So if it's a 24/192 song you'll get the full unfold.

I currently run MQA with my Tidal Hi-Fi and Yamaha A2080 AVR. So I only get first unfold @24/44 or 24/48. It's great. Original recording is still key though. Some non MQA 16/44 stuff sounds equal or better than some MQA. But most MQA is a definite step above 16/44, IMO.

My next step would be to get an MQA DAC and it would most likely be the Node 2i. Be aware though to get the full unfold with the Node 2i you have to use the analog outs to to your amplifier. If you use the optical out of the Node 2i you only get the first unfold which defeats the purpose (mostly) of having the MQA capability.
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I went through this a while back. It is confusing. You will never get full MQA unfold without an MQA capable DAC. MQA has three stages of "unfolding."

The best way to experience partial MQA (first unfold only) is get a Tidal Hi-Fi subscription and enable the MQA (Masters) option in the software, which is added software to the basic Tidal Hi-Fi software.

Use your Denon AVR, HEOS and Tidal. You could also try UpNP app like I switched to (mConnect).

With Tidal HiFi and HEOS you will be able to hear MQA files at 24/44 or 24/48 whereas without it you'd be listening at 16/44. This will give you a partial taste of MQA capabilities. Some songs are MQA but recorded at 24/48 so on those you will be getting the full MQA experience. Other MQA recordings that are above 24/48 will only play at that level without an MQA DAC. If you get a DAC with MQA it will completely unfold to the highest resolution the song was recorded in. So if it's a 24/192 song you'll get the full unfold.

I currently run MQA with my Tidal Hi-Fi and Yamaha A2080 AVR. So I only get first unfold @24/44 or 24/48. It's great. Original recording is still key though. Some non MQA 16/44 stuff sounds equal or better than some MQA. But most MQA is a definite step above 16/44, IMO.

My next step would be to get an MQA DAC and it would most likely be the Node 2i. Be aware though to get the full unfold with the Node 2i you have to use the analog outs to to your amplifier. If you use the optical out of the Node 2i you only get the first unfold which defeats the purpose (mostly) of having the MQA capability.
Thanks, so to confirm my understanding I can get a limited taste of MQA's capability (up to 24 bit/48Khz sampling) on my existing Denon AVR's onboard Tidal app without any further investment? But to get full capabilities I'll still need an external DAC connected to analog inputs (RCA on the Denon AVR)? How does one get to the 2nd level of unfolding? Does that require the external DAC? Is 24/192 the highest level of audio available?

It sounds like MQA is similar to video recorded at 4K in that some content recorded at lower rates can still sound/look better than content recorded at higher rate (eg. some 2K upscaled content can look as good as some 4K content)?

Anyone have insight on my question about MQA in the car? If I listen to Tidal MQA content on my Android phone connected via 3.5mm cable to my indash stereo, would this be MQA with first level unfold?
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Thanks, so to confirm my understanding I can get a limited taste of MQA's capability (up to 24 bit/48Khz sampling) on my existing Denon AVR's onboard Tidal app without any further investment?

Exactly! But with my Yamaha the MusicCast app doesn't show the bit depth and resolution (even though it is in fact playing in MQA quality) so I use the mConnect app (like 6 bucks) so I can see for sure where I'm at with the bit rate and resolution of the MQA file

But to get full capabilities I'll still need an external DAC connected to analog inputs (RCA on the Denon AVR)?

Yes, or look into NAD products that are integrated amplifiers with MQA built in

How does one get to the 2nd level of unfolding? Does that require the external DAC?

Yes the second and third unfolds require an MQA DAC. I do know that software like Audirvana plus your Tidal Hi-Fi will do second unfold (only, not third) but seems with my research just best to get a taste with HEOS or similar plus Tidal Hi-Fi, then get an MQA DAC for full unfold. That's what I will do eventually.


Is 24/192 the highest level of audio available?

I'm not sure what the highest MQA available is but it is higher than 24/192. Just to recap some songs are MQA but only recorded at 24/48 anyway so you won't get any more resolution from those ones even with an MQA DAC.

It sounds like MQA is similar to video recorded at 4K in that some content recorded at lower rates can still sound/look better than content recorded at higher rate (eg. some 2K upscaled content can look as good as some 4K content)?

I think that's a great analogy

Anyone have insight on my question about MQA in the car? If I listen to Tidal MQA content on my Android phone connected via 3.5mm cable to my indash stereo, would this be MQA with first level unfold?
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Here is an example what an MQA file looks like that is recorded at 24/192 but played back at 24/48 (only first unfold). I highly recommend this song or any of Becks Sea Change or Morning Phase album songs to hear a great example of an excellent MQA recording.
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Here is an example what an MQA file looks like that is recorded at 24/192 but played back at 24/48 (only first unfold). I highly recommend this song or any of Becks Sea Change or Morning Phase album songs to hear a great example of an excellent MQA recording.
Thanks I will check that out when I can. I'm being cheap and waiting for a Tidal promo. I missed the $1.99 3 month hifi promo from December. Hope there will be one for Presidents Day weekend.
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I've been a Spotify subscriber for many years - it is what it is, and has been fine for reasonable quality mobile streaming. I have a Hi-Res setup in the house - downstairs I have an Onkyo NS-6130 network streamer which unfolds and decodes MQA to 24/192 and on the computer I have a Meridian Explorer2 DAC which does the same. To get the full-fat experience, I have a pair of Sony WH-1000XM3 headphones which operate WAY beyond my hearing to 40KHz.

So, I'm now using Tidal on the 3-month trial, listening to the higher quality streaming audio and of course, very much enjoy the quality and extra detail, sound-stage and musicality of the content. I have however noticed that some of the tracks are really distorted - they seemed to sound very poor quality to me, even at 24/192. This puzzled me - I was expecting a very clear, distortion-free listening experience.

To investigate, I analysed the sound and found that the songs which came across as distorted were clipped - they had very flat areas in the waveform where the signal seems to have been attenuated (shown in the attached picture). The audio was captured from the DAC and the volume maximum was -3dB. Now, not all tracks are like this, but those that sound distorted seem to be - this particular track is Up&Up (Track 68649386 on Tidal - sorry, can't post links yet!) but it is not unique. If I capture the waveform from Spotify, I see the same - flat peaks on the waveform in the louder passages of the song. If I take the DAC out of the equation, and disable MQA - same.

Does this mean the master of the album is such that the audio level goes beyond 0dB? If so, I really don't understand the reason for this, as it just sounds distorted and poor quality.

Do others have the same experience - can you hear the distortion and if so, has anyone looked at the waveform and have you had similar findings to me?

Thanks for your help!!
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To investigate, I analysed the sound and found that the songs which came across as distorted were clipped - they had very flat areas in the waveform where the signal seems to have been attenuated (shown in the attached picture). The audio was captured from the DAC and the volume maximum was -3dB. Now, not all tracks are like this, but those that sound distorted seem to be - this particular track is Up&Up (Track 68649386 on Tidal - sorry, can't post links yet!) but it is not unique. If I capture the waveform from Spotify, I see the same - flat peaks on the waveform in the louder passages of the song. If I take the DAC out of the equation, and disable MQA - same.



Does this mean the master of the album is such that the audio level goes beyond 0dB? If so, I really don't understand the reason for this, as it just sounds distorted and poor quality.



Do others have the same experience - can you hear the distortion and if so, has anyone looked at the waveform and have you had similar findings to me?



Thanks for your help!!

I used to be very interested in this topic. It’s part of the recording/mastering process for certain recordings. There’s no such thing as high quality when there’s digital clipping in the source. If you go down this rabbit hole, you’ll find many recordings destroyed (IMO) like this.
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I used to be very interested in this topic. It’s part of the recording/mastering process for certain recordings. There’s no such thing as high quality when there’s digital clipping in the source. If you go down this rabbit hole, you’ll find many recordings destroyed (IMO) like this.
It seems really strange to me that an artist would want to destroy the purity of their sound - to what end?

All I hear is a poor quality delivery which turns me towards other artists that care more about the whole delivery to the listener. Surely if they listened to their own music, they would hear the same as we do and conclude its darned awful and do something about it?!
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In the context of Tidal, this poor recording/mastering surely detracts from the purity of the intent to deliver super-duper quality audio - what's the point if the mastering is of such poor quality? I wonder why the sound engineers do this - any of you out there a sound engineer that can enlighten me
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Question MQA on my amp

Ive emailed this to Tidal support, but thought someone here might be able to help too....

I currently listen to Tidal MQA music on my Fiio M7 and really enjoy it, however, at home i stream to my amplifier over bluetooth and i’m not convinced the BT decoding in the amp is doing a good job. I have considered a Bluenote Node 2i to stream tidal, but my TV is a recent Samsung, so I thought i would use the app there.

However, I’m not sure the Samsung TV app for tidal supports Mqa streaming, and wondered what the simplest, cheapest option is for getting tracks over MQA through my hifi would be?

I have a Fiio M7 Mark II which runs the android tidal app and supports MQA, Bluetooth and Airplay, and a Denon AVR2300W amp which supports both BT and Airplay (and a samsung TV), but wondered if there was a better way to stream....

Thanks in advance - looking forward to your answers!
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Ive emailed this to Tidal support, but thought someone here might be able to help too....

I currently listen to Tidal MQA music on my Fiio M7 and really enjoy it, however, at home i stream to my amplifier over bluetooth and i’m not convinced the BT decoding in the amp is doing a good job. I have considered a Bluenote Node 2i to stream tidal, but my TV is a recent Samsung, so I thought i would use the app there.

However, I’m not sure the Samsung TV app for tidal supports Mqa streaming, and wondered what the simplest, cheapest option is for getting tracks over MQA through my hifi would be?

I have a Fiio M7 Mark II which runs the android tidal app and supports MQA, Bluetooth and Airplay, and a Denon AVR2300W amp which supports both BT and Airplay (and a samsung TV), but wondered if there was a better way to stream....

Thanks in advance - looking forward to your answers!
While your Samsung has the Tidal app, it may not be supporting MQA. Does it show a Masters tab when you open the app? The Bluesound Node 2i would be an excellent means to getting MQA. As you can see in my signature, I'm a fan of Bluesound. Bluesound will also give you many more options for other streaming services to include Qobuz and Deezer which are two hi-res streaming services.

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Ive emailed this to Tidal support, but thought someone here might be able to help too....

I currently listen to Tidal MQA music on my Fiio M7 and really enjoy it, however, at home i stream to my amplifier over bluetooth and i’m not convinced the BT decoding in the amp is doing a good job. I have considered a Bluenote Node 2i to stream tidal, but my TV is a recent Samsung, so I thought i would use the app there.

However, I’m not sure the Samsung TV app for tidal supports Mqa streaming, and wondered what the simplest, cheapest option is for getting tracks over MQA through my hifi would be?

I have a Fiio M7 Mark II which runs the android tidal app and supports MQA, Bluetooth and Airplay, and a Denon AVR2300W amp which supports both BT and Airplay (and a samsung TV), but wondered if there was a better way to stream....

Thanks in advance - looking forward to your answers!
You could also get the Audioquest Dragonfly Black or Red, connect it to your Fiio and then connect via RCA cable to your Denon AVR. This will give you full MQA unfolding. Bluesound will have some additional capabilities but at a much higher cost. You could minimize the difference by purchasing one of the discontinued Bluesound products at a lower price though.
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While your Samsung has the Tidal app, it may not be supporting MQA. Does it show a Masters tab when you open the app? The Bluesound Node 2i would be an excellent means to getting MQA. As you can see in my signature, I'm a fan of Bluesound. Bluesound will also give you many more options for other streaming services to include Qobuz and Deezer which are two hi-res streaming services.
I would second that. Mac to Vault2I to Oppo works perfectly.

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