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IMO the Atmos for Androids compilation still has the best Atmos presentation considering the music was designed for the format. But then you got to Grant Green and Donald Byrd playing Jazz, and it's not even worth listening to their songs in Atmos. Just go 2-channel and be happy I guess.

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How are you guys finding all of the Dolby Atmos stuff on Tidal? When I put Dolby Atmos in the search function, it only brings up a few playlists and a couple albums. Am I missing something and yes, I am a longtime Tidal HiFi subscriber.


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How are you guys finding all of the Dolby Atmos stuff on Tidal? When I put Dolby Atmos in the search function, it only brings up a few playlists and a couple albums. Am I missing something and yes, I am a longtime Tidal HiFi subscriber.


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I'm wondering if it's device specific. For example, my Phone does not support Atmos for Tidal, and I have to manually find a Song or Album with Atmos. When I play the track, I do receive a message that my phone is not compatible and it will just play the "hifi" version.

For my Nvidia Shield, an Atmos Playlist, along with albums and songs in Dolby Atmos appear immediately for playback. No need to search.

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I'm wondering if it's device specific. For example, my Phone does not support Atmos for Tidal, and I have to manually find a Song or Album with Atmos. When I play the track, I do receive a message that my phone is not compatible and it will just play the "hifi" version.

For my Nvidia Shield, an Atmos Playlist, along with albums and songs in Dolby Atmos appear immediately for playback. No need to search.

Yep, I was trying to search via my IPhone. I am going to try to search from my laptop.


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IMO the Atmos for Androids compilation still has the best Atmos presentation considering the music was designed for the format. But then you got to Grant Green and Donald Byrd playing Jazz, and it's not even worth listening to their songs in Atmos. Just go 2-channel and be happy I guess.
Agreed on the Donald Byrd and Grant Green music. Norah Jones on the other hand sounded quite good. Not overdone, but just sounded very spacious. I'll have to check out Atmos for Androids.

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How are you guys finding all of the Dolby Atmos stuff on Tidal? When I put Dolby Atmos in the search function, it only brings up a few playlists and a couple albums. Am I missing something and yes, I am a longtime Tidal HiFi subscriber.


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I get much more when doing a search on my ATV 4k.

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I get much more when doing a search on my ATV 4k.

Yeah, I guess I need to search on my 4K Fire TV. Desktop app is bringing up the same stuff as my iphone.


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2.26.1 - is this the current version of Tidal you have on your Shield?
I have the same version! I just reinstalled app, when try to play Dolby atmos I am getting an message “ Playing in stereo, this device is not capable of playing Dolby atmos content” I am playing form 2017 Shield Pro. But with same set up ATV4 is playing in dolby atmos via tidal app.
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I have the same version! I just reinstalled app, when try to play Dolby atmos I am getting an message “ Playing in stereo, this device is not capable of playing Dolby atmos content” I am playing form 2017 Shield Pro. But with same set up ATV4 is playing in dolby atmos via tidal app.
If you have Vudu, Disney Plus, or Amazon Prime on your Shield, are you able to stream Dolby Atmos from the content on those services? This may be a Shield issue and you may want to ask for more assistance in the Nvidia Shield thread.

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That's how Atmos works for streaming services. For the Lossy variant of Atmos, it works in conjunction with Dolby Digital Plus. The Lossless variant of course would be Dolby TrueHD and no Mainstream Streaming Services stream in that manner, but I do get your point considering Lossless/CD/Hi Rez Music is the selling point for apps such as Tidal and Qobuz.

Another thing is that the vast majority of these songs are not meant for this type of Multi-Channel listening. This had to have been a batch process in which the files were just thrown in a some type of converter, then spit out to what we hear now. And I'm pretty sure the producers and engineers were not contacted regarding how their productions should sound in an Multi-Channel/Atmos form. I, having produced and arranged and released my own music, wouldn't dare anyone to touch my work unless I gave them permission.
Exactly. One might as well listen to the lossless version on a better device (Bluesound) and turn on the DTS upmixer
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If you have Vudu, Disney Plus, or Amazon Prime on your Shield, are you able to stream Dolby Atmos from the content on those services? This may be a Shield issue and you may want to ask for more assistance in the Nvidia Shield thread.

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After researching sounds like only 2019 NVIDIA shield pro model works for Dolby atmos /Tidal, 2017 NVIDIA shield pro don't work for Tidal/Dolby atmos. need to have upgarde.
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After researching sounds like only 2019 NVIDIA shield pro model works for Dolby atmos /Tidal, 2017 NVIDIA shield pro don't work for Tidal/Dolby atmos. need to have upgarde.
I have a 2015 Shield, and Atmos works for Tidal. 2015 and 17 Shields are practically identical.

This is why I suggest going to the 2015 Shield thread for assistance with the device, rather than the Tidal service.

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I might as well add the DSU or Neural X from my Marantz AVR to get the same affect considering the range of music now with Dolby Atmos. From Rush's "Tom Sawyer" to Slick Rick's "A Children's story", there appears to be no limit.

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Okay. Sometimes it is hard to tell where a problem is created with streaming because there are so many variables. Either way, just turning up the volume was easy enough and I liked what I was hearing. Maybe it is just the way Tidal is sending it. Curious to hear what others are experiencing.
Something still doesn't sound quite right when I turn up the volume. It sounds... "weak," i guess is how I would describe it.
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I might as well add the DSU or Neural X from my Marantz AVR to get the same affect considering the range of music now with Dolby Atmos. From Rush's "Tom Sawyer" to Slick Rick's "A Children's story", there appears to be no limit.
Had some time to listen to quite a bit of the Atmos tracks over the weekend (using the Tidal App directly, as discussed - not Ideal...)

Anyway, I'd concur with you and others - many (most) of the tracks I listened to were horribly mixed. Clearly no artist involvement.

To me the intent of many of these was to prove your height channel speakers were working. And working REALLY well.

There were exceptions - Doors' "Riders on the Storm" comes to mind. But that remix also sounds excellent w/out Atmos, with or w/out Neural or Dolby Surround applied.

I don't know or listen to Lady Gaga, but my daughter who happened to be home does - so we listened to a few of those. Though the music wasn't my cup of tea, the engineering of the mixes sounded like they were done well. It seems to me all the "new" stuff should be explicitly mixed for multi-channel and stereo.

My last point is that "Atmos" seems to now be the terminology for "Surround", or "Multi-Channel". Fine. The problem though seems that in pushing Atmos (and selling receivers, speakers, content) they are implying the height channels are the key. For music I don't think they are. In fact, it's just plain distracting unless the mix makes judicious use of them. In my experience, the best Atmos movie mixes are the ones where you never really consciously know the height channels are in use - it just sounds enveloping.

Off the soap box now, but that's my take. Takeaway for me is that Atmos for older music (that would have to be specifically remixed for it) is going to be mostly miss, with the occasional hit.
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360 Audio

I've been checking out some of the 360 Audio content on Tidal and it is quite impressive. Listened to some EWF and heard things I never heard before from songs I know very well. It is more impressive than Atmos content that I listened to recently. Atmos was good for the content that was properly mixed, but this 360 Audio seemed to be better mixed and has more content available. I'm sure the headphones play a role with the 360 Audio, but it shows what Atmos music could be with good setup and better content.
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I've been enjoying my 4 month trial to Tidal HiFi and wanted to see how to play the Masters tracks through HEOS only to learn that's not an option directly through my Denon receiver. That's a bummer. So now I need to buy a $500 external box to get this functionality?

Perhaps I wouldn't have gone ahead and bought a year subscription yesterday...at least it was (is) on sale through Best Buy for $119 (50% off).
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I've been checking out some of the 360 Audio content on Tidal and it is quite impressive. Listened to some EWF and heard things I never heard before from songs I know very well. It is more impressive than Atmos content that I listened to recently. Atmos was good for the content that was properly mixed, but this 360 Audio seemed to be better mixed and has more content available. I'm sure the headphones play a role with the 360 Audio, but it shows what Atmos music could be with good setup and better content.

I had no idea this was available on Tidal and I’m an Audiophile. Looking forward to listening through some Audeze headphones.


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I listened through my B&W headphones and it was quite impressive. I also revisted the Atmos content that is available through my ATV4K and found better tracks this time that also sounded quite good. The Atmos content is available through several streaming boxes.

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I listened through my B&W headphones and it was quite impressive. I also revisted the Atmos content that is available through my ATV4K and found better tracks this time that also sounded quite good. The Atmos content is available through several streaming boxes.

Yep, I have listened to a few through my Apple TV4K and my Firestick4k. I wish I could play them through some of my Bluesound equipment because I know it would sound that much better.


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Yep, I have listened to a few through my Apple TV4K and my Firestick4k. I wish I could play them through some of my Bluesound equipment because I know it would sound that much better.


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We are on the same page. I also have Bluesound and wish it could decode Atmos also, because you are right that it would sound better. Happy listening.

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Yep, I have listened to a few through my Apple TV4K and my Firestick4k. I wish I could play them through some of my Bluesound equipment because I know it would sound that much better.


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I was going to ask Bluesound if they planned on supporting Atmos but someone beat me to it. According to this there may be hope for this in the future.
https://support1.bluesound.com/hc/en...Audio-on-Tidal

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I was going to ask Bluesound if they planned on supporting Atmos but someone beat me to it. According to this there may be hope for this in the future.
https://support1.bluesound.com/hc/en...Audio-on-Tidal

I have an inside connection with the Lenbrook Group that owns Bluesound, Dali Speakers, NAD and PSB Speakers and I know that it is coming to the BluOS platform soon.


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Hello Tidal users, i currently use Spotify for whole album use, did any of you go back to Spotify after your 30day trial of Tidal.

Im intetested in 2ch listening
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No, I stayed with Tidal. Even with the basic service, it just sounded better to my ears, but I could be fooling myself though. I upgraded to HiFi, and I'm liking it a lot. IMO the sound quality in my car is so much better, and I'll stand by that.

I was happy with Spotify, and think the interface is probably better (IMO they both are poor), but I'm liking Tidal for now.
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No, I stayed with Tidal. Even with the basic service, it just sounded better to my ears, but I could be fooling myself though. I upgraded to HiFi, and I'm liking it a lot. IMO the sound quality in my car is so much better, and I'll stand by that. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

I was happy with Spotify, and think the interface is probably better (IMO they both are poor), but I'm liking Tidal for now.
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I think so - just updated it last night.

So I tried it on my 2015 Shield (should all be same as the newer one that is in the PJ system) last night and it works via the Tidal App on the Shield itself just fine as expected, but I was somehow unaware that Atmos content is streamed via Dolby Digital +. That's a real bummer.

It's amazing that multi-channel surround has been such a "thing" for years (albeit with movies - not so much music, RIP SACD and DVD-A), and now with Atmos adding a few more channels it is even more of a "thing". And now "HD" music is hoping to be a thing... again... (SACD / DVD-A...), yet when it becomes a reality, they package it in Dolby Digital +? Tidal at least should be using a different delivery stream. Their whole reason d'etre is high bitrate or lossless streaming!

One step forward, two steps back. I feel like we're back in 1995 again, with DTS 5.1 CDs (predating SACD and DVD-A). I could be wrong but I think that encoding scheme was less lossy than the Dolby Digital + scheme at present.

It does work though, and it is at least interesting to listen to the various re-mixes in multi-channel. Some of them sound very good to me.

Not sure how much older content (what I'd listen to) they will bother to re-mix artfully, but for now there isn't much on Amazon or Tidal. It is a pretty good variety of genres though - I'll give them that.
Not sure what happened, but I have a 2017 Shield and noticed that Tidal's support page stated only 2019 models were supported. I decided to try the HiFi trial out anyways to see if it would work and was able to get Atmos all of last week and this past weekend. Spent time listening to differences between stereo and atmos tracks and there are some songs that are well mixed for the new format such as Atmos for Androids or Modus Vivendi by 070 Shake but others such as The Weeknd's After Hours I found sounded more like they added a lot of reverb vs making use of the different positions. Anyways, through some other testing I was doing, I restarted my Shield a few times (did not install any updates that I am aware of) and yesterday, found that the Shield is no longer reporting that its capable of Atmos in the Tidal app. Atmos of course works fine in other apps but it seems like either the app got updated to remove this support or theres some sort of authentication handshake thats not working correctly. I tried restarting the Shield again but this didnt work, tracks are only playing in Stereo now which is is a big bummer. Anyone else experiencing this? It might be why some folks have gotten it to work vs not if Tidal is purposefully blocking it for older Shield models.

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Not sure what happened, but I have a 2017 Shield and noticed that Tidal's support page stated only 2019 models were supported. I decided to try the HiFi trial out anyways to see if it would work and was able to get Atmos all of last week and this past weekend. Spent time listening to differences between stereo and atmos tracks and there are some songs that are well mixed for the new format such as Atmos for Androids or Modus Vivendi by 070 Shake but others such as The Weeknd's After Hours I found sounded more like they added a lot of reverb vs making use of the different positions. Anyways, through some other testing I was doing, I restarted my Shield a few times (did not install any updates that I am aware of) and yesterday, found that the Shield is no longer reporting that its capable of Atmos in the Tidal app. Atmos of course works fine in other apps but it seems like either the app got updated to remove this support or theres some sort of authentication handshake thats not working correctly. I tried restarting the Shield again but this didnt work, tracks are only playing in Stereo now which is is a big bummer. Anyone else experiencing this? It might be why some folks have gotten it to work vs not if Tidal is purposefully blocking it for older Shield models.
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Something still doesn't sound quite right when I turn up the volume. It sounds... "weak," i guess is how I would describe it.
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Had some time to listen to quite a bit of the Atmos tracks over the weekend (using the Tidal App directly, as discussed - not Ideal...)

Anyway, I'd concur with you and others - many (most) of the tracks I listened to were horribly mixed. Clearly no artist involvement.

To me the intent of many of these was to prove your height channel speakers were working. And working REALLY well.

There were exceptions - Doors' "Riders on the Storm" comes to mind. But that remix also sounds excellent w/out Atmos, with or w/out Neural or Dolby Surround applied.

I don't know or listen to Lady Gaga, but my daughter who happened to be home does - so we listened to a few of those. Though the music wasn't my cup of tea, the engineering of the mixes sounded like they were done well. It seems to me all the "new" stuff should be explicitly mixed for multi-channel and stereo.

My last point is that "Atmos" seems to now be the terminology for "Surround", or "Multi-Channel". Fine. The problem though seems that in pushing Atmos (and selling receivers, speakers, content) they are implying the height channels are the key. For music I don't think they are. In fact, it's just plain distracting unless the mix makes judicious use of them. In my experience, the best Atmos movie mixes are the ones where you never really consciously know the height channels are in use - it just sounds enveloping.

Off the soap box now, but that's my take. Takeaway for me is that Atmos for older music (that would have to be specifically remixed for it) is going to be mostly miss, with the occasional hit.
Yeah I agree that you have to really crank up the volume up to get the best experience. Otherwise it sounds like the center stage is really muddled or too much reverb is added.
Some songs that I listened to such as 7 rings by Ariana Grande sound very similar to me in Atmos vs Stereo upmixed using the DSU and the main difference is that there a portion of the song towards the end that they pan the vocals between the rear right to rear left to rear center that sounds interesting that gets lost in the upmixed version. Some people might find this gimmicky, but to me the effect is similar to the imaging you get with Pink Floyd's Money when playing in pure Stereo, but a little more enveloping since sound is coming from around you vs just in front. However, there are some really bad mixed songs in Atmos that I think are worst than the stereo versions.

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Atmos is still working on my 2015 Shield.
Thanks for confirming, I tried power cycling the Shield and AVR and that didnt work. I decided to try logout/login in the Tidal app on Shield and that seemed to work since Atmos is coming through now. Weird quirky issues I guess.

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