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Yes. Sadly they said at this time they are not looking to revamp the jukebox but hopefully they will change there mind. With everything working so smooth the last piece missing is a good jukebox.
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Just grabbed a Vten to replace my aging Micca EP-950......

My needs were met.....it recognized my external Bluray drive on esata and USB...
It recognized my 4 bay Mediasonic box on USB.....only one drive showed on esata....but thats ok, USB will do....it played all my 3D-MVC mkvs......


The Micca was much quicker on file access.....the Vten is slightly clunky, but competent......hopefully the Vten will get snapier with updates.......gonna change that ugly wall paper on the home screen......

The big difference? The video quality on the Vten is astounding..great depth and clarity. Almost has a 3D look on a lot of material.....
Haven't messed with the jukebox yet.....really dont care about cover art, etc....

So....Im happy......grabbed a Wetek core for Kodi....and a Vten for my local files...not a bad Xmas !!
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try the manual for the A400 its almost identical to the VTEN

http://files.syabas.com/popcornhour/...UserManual.pdf
Thanks, I'll try
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Yes. Sadly they said at this time they are not looking to revamp the jukebox but hopefully they will change there mind. With everything working so smooth the last piece missing is a good jukebox.
Too bad. I was really hoping for a great all in one MKV playback device.

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Anyone else have problems from the last update with the on/off system ? Sometimes don't works properly for me.




Merry Christmas for all !
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Can someone confirm if read mkv H 265 to 23,976 fps?
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yes it will read h265 at 23.976
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LG TV does better than VTEN

I use my VTEN with a Thecus N2200 NAS to play media on an LG 65UF9500 UHD TV.
I downloaded several 4K files to play and test. One of the videos is called TimeScapes (about a 20GB download).
In certain parts of the video, it starts to stutter. I clicked on Info and it shows that when the video streaming rate goes above approximately 130-140 Mbps is when the video starts to stutter/buffer/hesitate. As the scene changes, and the streaming rate goes down, the video plays smoothly.
I copied the video file to a USB drive and connected it directly to the VTEN. The result was slightly better, but not by much.
I then connected VTEN directly to the LG TV to eliminate any additional processing added by the Denon receiver. No improvement.
I then connected the USB drive directly to the LG TV, thus removing the Denon and VTEN out of the loop. Lo and behold - flawless playback!
This was my first time playing a video/movie on the LG TV directly from a USB drive. I did not expect it to perform better than a dedicated media play like VTEN.
I am disappointed that the VTEN could not keep up with the 4K video's streaming rate.
I have several other 4K videos that play fine. However, I noticed their streaming rate is below 50-60 Mbps.
On the LG, I can only see the streaming rate when I play the video through VTEN as it is a feature of the media player and not the TV.
Maybe, the LG TV is somehow slowing down the streaming rate. I don't know. However, the video looks stunning and looks the same as when played through the VTEN.
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LG TV does better than VTEN

As per my previous post, I am generally pleased with the Vten......but njaffer has just stumbled upon something I just stumbled upon....there seems to be a bottleneck in the Vtens' USB inputs...

I just played a file...Riddick x265 10 bit 12 mb bitrate.......looks incredible..10 bit color really cleans up detail....
But....plays fine from external Blu-ray disc, connected via esata ....plays but cant seek from hard drive via USB docking station...seeking causes file to freeze, then it wont load again....
Played perfectly from USB stick...seeking and all...

I dont stream....so I cant comment on that.
This is what I referred to earlier in the Vtens "clunkiness" ......it seems to struggle with data from its various inputs......hopefully its a software glitch than can be fixed...if its a hardware glitch....oh well.
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My VTEN was delivered yesterday and I'm very happy with the picture quality, it's top notch. It's definitely better than the nvidia shield and the roku 3. The motion handling is also very good when playing 23.976 material and it bitstreams all the HD audio I've thrown at it so far. I don't really care about 4K playback until JVC releases a projector with native 4K panels.

I just started playing around with NMJ jukebox, while it's not as snappy or nice looking as KODI on the shield it does the job. Hopefully I can get it to work with multiple SMB shares, because my NAS is running out of space and will need to attach an external drive to it soon. From what I read I think it's doable via NMJToolkit2. So far the VTEN looks like a keeper!
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From what I read I think it's doable via NMJToolkit2.
If you've got multiple shares and a relatively large media library then don't even waste your time using the VTen to build your jukebox. NMJT2 is an awesome utility and without it, I couldn't use NMJ. I update my jukebox exclusively with it now.
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I use my VTEN with a Thecus N2200 NAS to play media on an LG 65UF9500 UHD TV.
I downloaded several 4K files to play and test. One of the videos is called TimeScapes (about a 20GB download).
In certain parts of the video, it starts to stutter. I clicked on Info and it shows that when the video streaming rate goes above approximately 130-140 Mbps is when the video starts to stutter/buffer/hesitate. As the scene changes, and the streaming rate goes down, the video plays smoothly.
I copied the video file to a USB drive and connected it directly to the VTEN. The result was slightly better, but not by much.
I then connected VTEN directly to the LG TV to eliminate any additional processing added by the Denon receiver. No improvement.
I then connected the USB drive directly to the LG TV, thus removing the Denon and VTEN out of the loop. Lo and behold - flawless playback!
This was my first time playing a video/movie on the LG TV directly from a USB drive. I did not expect it to perform better than a dedicated media play like VTEN.
I am disappointed that the VTEN could not keep up with the 4K video's streaming rate.
I have several other 4K videos that play fine. However, I noticed their streaming rate is below 50-60 Mbps.
On the LG, I can only see the streaming rate when I play the video through VTEN as it is a feature of the media player and not the TV.
Maybe, the LG TV is somehow slowing down the streaming rate. I don't know. However, the video looks stunning and looks the same as when played through the VTEN.
Mosty likely you are hitting the limit. Remember this is an HDMI 1.4 device its cant handle top of the line 4k bitrate so you have to look at all the details bitrate/chroma sampling/audio I would assume you are right at the top of its limits with the video you are trying to play.
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If you've got multiple shares and a relatively large media library then don't even waste your time using the VTen to build your jukebox. NMJT2 is an awesome utility and without it, I couldn't use NMJ. I update my jukebox exclusively with it now.
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Mosty likely you are hitting the limit. Remember this is an HDMI 1.4 device its cant handle top of the line 4k bitrate so you have to look at all the details bitrate/chroma sampling/audio I would assume you are right at the top of its limits with the video you are trying to play.
Are there any rumors of an HDMI 2.0 follow-on product? HDMI 2.0a with support for HDR?

I am looking for a way to stream 1080p Atmos MKVs from a DLNA media server, and it seems as though the VTEN would fit that bill.

But I am also looking for a way to stream HDR Atmos content off of Amazon, Netflix, and VUDU and it seems as though the VTEN falls short for that.

I am currently streaming HDR through my LGEF9500 but am unable to get the Atmos bitstream back to my AVR through ARC.

Was hoping to find one solution for both problems but sounds as though that may require another product generation...
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Are there any rumors of an HDMI 2.0 follow-on product? HDMI 2.0a with support for HDR?



I am looking for a way to stream 1080p Atmos MKVs from a DLNA media server, and it seems as though the VTEN would fit that bill.



But I am also looking for a way to stream HDR Atmos content off of Amazon, Netflix, and VUDU and it seems as though the VTEN falls short for that.



I am currently streaming HDR through my LGEF9500 but am unable to get the Atmos bitstream back to my AVR through ARC.



Was hoping to find one solution for both problems but sounds as though that may require another product generation...

You probably won't get all in one anytime soon. It's just too difficult for companies to make everyone happy the closest you'd get to a current AIO is Nvidia Shield. Personally I'd rather a company focus on local or streaming. They both have very different needs. If anyone needs a reminder just look at the headaches Boxee went through


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You probably won't get all in one anytime soon. It's just too difficult for companies to make everyone happy the closest you'd get to a current AIO is Nvidia Shield. Personally I'd rather a company focus on local or streaming. They both have very different needs. If anyone needs a reminder just look at the headaches Boxee went through


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AIO, thanks. Back in that phase where I am learning from the Forum .

So what would you recommend:

Just forget about Atmos HDR for now and focus on Atmos HD and 5.1 HDR until the dust has cleared in a year or two?

With Dolby Vision in the mix, I suppose that Atmos HD is far and away more mature/settled than HDR....
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AIO, thanks. Back in that phase where I am learning from the Forum .



So what would you recommend:



Just forget about Atmos HDR for now and focus on Atmos HD and 5.1 HDR until the dust has cleared in a year or two?



With Dolby Vision in the mix, I suppose that Atmos HD is far and away more mature/settled than HDR....

You could wait to see what the companies release this year. There should be more capable local media players available. If you need a local player now AND want the broadest compatibility focus on minimal 4K and more robust 1080p/lossless audio support. I'm not as worried about the players for HDR as most of it (from little I do know) is metadata and not hardware based (outside of the display). If a player is DV capable, then it should be HDR10 as well. I was looking at picking up the VTEN, but I think I may wait to see what this year brings for media players.


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You could wait to see what the companies release this year. There should be more capable local media players available. If you need a local player now AND want the broadest compatibility focus on minimal 4K and more robust 1080p/lossless audio support. I'm not as worried about the players for HDR as most of it (from little I do know) is metadata and not hardware based (outside of the display). If a player is DV capable, then it should be HDR10 as well. I was looking at picking up the VTEN, but I think I may wait to see what this year brings for media players.


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Thanks. I think I'll do the same. I think there is a way I can transcode my Atmos MKVs to a format compatible with streaming to my Sony Bluray player, so while it is a PITA, that can probably tide me over until their is a viable AIO solution.

I think 2016 will prove to be the real 'year of HDR' after Samsung's attempt to make 2015 the year of HDR...
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Thanks. I think I'll do the same. I think there is a way I can transcode my Atmos MKVs to a format compatible with streaming to my Sony Bluray player, so while it is a PITA, that can probably tide me over until their is a viable AIO solution.



I think 2016 will prove to be the real 'year of HDR' after Samsung's attempt to make 2015 the year of HDR...

Well ATMOS tracks have TrueHD, so technically it should "work" unless that's not compatible with your BR player. I have an A400 that is going strong, so really I'm in no "rush".


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Well ATMOS tracks have TrueHD, so technically it should "work" unless that's not compatible with your BR player. I have an A400 that is going strong, so really I'm in no "rush".


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Apparently the Sony Bluray players only support TrueHD through physical disc - USB limited to AC3. The one reason for hope is that the VUDU Atmos demos made it through to my AVR as bitstream, so streaming through Ethernet may be handled like disc rather than USB...

I just installed MPC-HC and successfully got my laptop to play Atmos into my AVR, so that may be my fall-back until new AIO media players are available...
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Apparently the Sony Bluray players only support TrueHD through physical disc - USB limited to AC3. The one reason for hope is that the VUDU Atmos demos made it through to my AVR as bitstream, so streaming through Ethernet may be handled like disc rather than USB...



I just installed MPC-HC and successfully got my laptop to play Atmos into my AVR, so that may be my fall-back until new AIO media players are available...

Well an AIO media player is a unicorn the most you can hope for these days is a 2 player solution. I just don't see anyone doing an AIO successfully with the limitations involved (copy protections, etc). Boxee got the closest IMO and while Nvidia Shield is very close, it like others falls short when comparing to dedicated players.


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Well an AIO media player is a unicorn the most you can hope for these days is a 2 player solution. I just don't see anyone doing an AIO successfully with the limitations involved (copy protections, etc). Boxee got the closest IMO and while Nvidia Shield is very close, it like others falls short when comparing to dedicated players.


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Good to know, thanks. I added MadVR to my laptop (HTPC ?) and while that improved the video rendering from MPC-HC, it is still a far cry short of what I get playing the same MKV either through my 65EF9500 or my Sony Bluray player.

I'd like to find a way to play my Atmos MKVs with Atmos sound, but not at the expense of video quality (compared to 5.1 MKVs).
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GI'd like to find a way to play my Atmos MKVs with Atmos sound, but not at the expense of video quality (compared to 5.1 MKVs).
I rip my Atmos discs using MakeMKV and play them through my V-Ten and there is no loss of video quality and of course, the audio is awesome...very happy!

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Good to know, thanks.

Are the MKS you rip THD-only or THD & AC3 (dual-track)?

So with a VTEN, it sounds like I'd have a complete 1080p solution and the only thing I'd be missing is a 4K/HDR Atmos streaming solution (my LG 4K TV streams 4K/HDR in 5.1 through ARC).

Are there any rumors that Popcorn will be coming out with a successor product to the VTEN that streams 4K/HDR?
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Good to know, thanks.

Are the MKS you rip THD-only or THD & AC3 (dual-track)?

So with a VTEN, it sounds like I'd have a complete 1080p solution and the only thing I'd be missing is a 4K/HDR Atmos streaming solution (my LG 4K TV streams 4K/HDR in 5.1 through ARC).

Are there any rumors that Popcorn will be coming out with a successor product to the VTEN that streams 4K/HDR?
Rumors specific to Popcorn hour is no. But Sigma did announce a 4k/HDR chipset back in September it usually takes 6+ months before we see units using an announced chipset.
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Rumors specific to Popcorn hour is no. But Sigma did announce a 4k/HDR chipset back in September it usually takes 6+ months before we see units using an announced chipset.
Great to know - thanks. So I think I'll be camping out with what I have until mid-next-year .

Does the current VTEN product do a good job streaming Netflix, Amazon and VUDU in 1080p?

Does Popcorn generally announce new products at CES or not?

I think 2016 will prove to be the 'real' year of HDR so being limited to Atmos on Bluray until the dust has cleared on that is probably the smart thing to do.
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NO the VTEN does not offer any online services. For most people I still say get two boxes. A roku for your online stuff and another player for your local stuff. The online streaming services are so spread out with who gets what quality. Netflix will give 1080p/4k two a select few devices I dont know the reasoning behind this. But most android devices cant get 1080p netflix. Amazon is same way not all devices are allowed to get 1080p/4k again dont know the reason why.
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NO the VTEN does not offer any online services. For most people I still say get two boxes. A roku for your online stuff and another player for your local stuff. The online streaming services are so spread out with who gets what quality. Netflix will give 1080p/4k two a select few devices I dont know the reasoning behind this. But most android devices cant get 1080p netflix. Amazon is same way not all devices are allowed to get 1080p/4k again dont know the reason why.
Interesting, thanks.

The thing I am finding befuddling is that it appears that the Streaming Service providers intend to bundle Atmos sound with 4K/HDR premium offerings, and yet the 4K/HDR streaming apps included with 4K/HDR TVs have no way to get Atmos back to an AVR through ARC.

So you will need to have some external box to stream 4K/HDR if you want to play Atmos sound.

Does the Roku stream 4K/HDR with Atmos?

My Sony 5200 Bluray player does stream VUDU in 1080p with Atmos, but not 4K or HDR.

It's a real jungle out there - hopefully at CES in few weeks we will learn how Netflix, Amazon, and VUDU expect us to stream their premium service offerings...
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