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PLEX isn't bad, but I wasn't crazy about the UI or the fact that it doesn't support all of the audio codecs (ATMOS, DTS-X). I've also tried playing around with the Shield and using SPMC as the movie streamer (from my server) - while it supported the audio codecs I wasn't real happy with the video aspects. For now I've fallen back to streaming via JRiver and am having trouble telling the difference between playback via JRiver and a shiny disc.
I'll give Plex a try. Kodi never seems to keep some of the settings I tell it to. For instance, I want the Videos menu item to point to the folder where I have various random videos, and display it in Files view. But do you think Kodi does this after the first time I go in it? Of course not.

So I will try Plex, and if I like it, then I will look into a Shield TV of a NUC. I will miss the nice UI of the Aeon Nox skin for kodi, but kodi has been very frustrating since I have started using it.
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PLEX isn't bad, but I wasn't crazy about the UI or the fact that it doesn't support all of the audio codecs (ATMOS, DTS-X). I've also tried playing around with the Shield and using SPMC as the movie streamer (from my server) - while it supported the audio codecs I wasn't real happy with the video aspects. For now I've fallen back to streaming via JRiver and am having trouble telling the difference between playback via JRiver and a shiny disc.
Re: falling back to streaming via JRiver is this using Shield? With JRemote or Gizmo?
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Shield colorspace 1080p / 4K auto resolution switching Issues

How are people here dealing with the Shield colorspace 1080p / 4K auto resolution switching Issues?

https://github.com/koying/SPMC/issues/1060
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How are people here dealing with the Shield colorspace 1080p / 4K auto resolution switching Issues?



https://github.com/koying/SPMC/issues/1060

https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...uelguzmannv/3/


I don’t. I set the shield for 4k 10bit and leave it alone. Everything looks fine. Plex or Kodi on the shield looks the same or better than the disc for my mkv files.
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I don’t. I set the shield for 4k 10bit and leave it alone. Everything looks fine. Plex or Kodi on the shield looks the same or better than the disc for my mkv files.
The problem is, as I understand it, though it may look fine to you, upon closer inspection you'll discover the colors will not be correct for both 1080p and 2160p content without manually changing Shield settings.
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The problem is, as I understand it, though it may look fine to you, upon closer inspection you'll discover the colors will not be correct for both 1080p and 2160p content without manually changing Shield settings.
My family prefers the ease of use and variety of applications on the Shield over looking closely at and doing A/B comparisons to other less user friendly devices.

Plus if there is something lacking (Netflix DV) then I'll simply use my TV's built-in app (LG OLED).
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My family prefers the ease of use and variety of applications on the Shield over looking closely at and doing A/B comparisons to other less user friendly devices.

Plus if there is something lacking (Netflix DV) then I'll simply use my TV's built-in app (LG OLED).
Ok.

Presumably there are some people here for whom having the correct colors on the Shield for both 1080p and 2160p content is important though?
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Ok.

Presumably there are some people here for whom having the correct colors on the Shield for both 1080p and 2160p content is important though?
Just a couple people from the HTPC forum that bring it up every single time the Shield is mentioned outside of its dedicated thread.

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Ok.

Presumably there are some people here for whom having the correct colors on the Shield for both 1080p and 2160p content is important though?
How important is subjective. Red is red and blue is blue. That said, although I researched and discovered some limitations, and improved the overall picture quality, for the average user, Pixel-Peeping is not that important.
Considering the lack of disgust regarding the Apple TV 4k's inability to Pass through HD Audio, and the fact that the Shield Can, amongst other things, this 2 and a half year old device, coupled with the amount of updates that have been implemented, is top-notch to many end-users here, short-comings and all.

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How are people here dealing with the Shield colorspace 1080p / 4K auto resolution switching Issues?

https://github.com/koying/SPMC/issues/1060
https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...uelguzmannv/3/
The Rec2020 is so muted on our Vizio that I've set Shield for Rec709 only, not watching any 4K material outside of discs so it was an easy decision.

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Red is red and blue is blue....
Isn't that kind of dismissing concepts like HDR and Wide Color Gamut though?
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Isn't that kind of dismissing concepts like HDR and Wide Color Gamut though?
No, it simply states that many of us here are content with what we have and have other more important things to worry about than whether or not Smurfette is the right kind of blue.

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I'll give Plex a try. Kodi never seems to keep some of the settings I tell it to. For instance, I want the Videos menu item to point to the folder where I have various random videos, and display it in Files view. But do you think Kodi does this after the first time I go in it? Of course not.

So I will try Plex, and if I like it, then I will look into a Shield TV of a NUC. I will miss the nice UI of the Aeon Nox skin for kodi, but kodi has been very frustrating since I have started using it.
Another program that you might want to give a try, if you are keeping the Shield, is SPMC (available on the Google Store). It supports the audio codecs - I, personally, found that the colors did not correct on my plasma TV but I didn't play with any of the video settings to try and adjust (just don't have the patience for that).

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Re: falling back to streaming via JRiver is this using Shield? With JRemote or Gizmo?
No - I should have been clearer on that - currently I use a JRiver client on a laptop connected to my pre/pro but have intentions of getting an Intel Nuc in the future (because of it's size).

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Just a couple people from the HTPC forum that bring it up every single time the Shield is mentioned outside of its dedicated thread.
Just to be clear I'm not trying to pick a fight or stir up a hornets nest.

I'm honestly trying to understand how to best deal with what seems like a fundamental flaw at the moment. Obviously I hope it simply gets fixed.

If being someone from the HTPC forum makes me a discerning user than I guess I am one.

I've been reading shield threads for a long time and only just recently bought one. I had not heretofore heard of this colorspace problem and wondered if it was something I had just missed in the discussion.

I always assume a thread on avsforums contains experts who care about quality.

If most people here are truly just overlooking this issue that does help me calibrate my expectations.
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Another program that you might want to give a try, if you are keeping the Shield, is SPMC (available on the Google Store). It supports the audio codecs - I, personally, found that the colors did not correct on my plasma TV but I didn't play with any of the video settings to try and adjust (just don't have the patience for that).
Once I truly get fed up of kodi on the Pi3, I will be looking at the Shield and the NUC. If it comes down to price, the I will probably go with the Shield. I will keep SPMC in mind. I might see if i can try it on the Samsung tablet that lives in our house somewhere.
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The problem is, as I understand it, though it may look fine to you, upon closer inspection you'll discover the colors will not be correct for both 1080p and 2160p content without manually changing Shield settings.
Here's the thing, I put in a disc and it looks one way. I play the mkv on my shield and I can't tell the difference. Colors aren't correct without a full on calibration anyway which I never did. I know what correct looks like as I work in the print industry but white point is much more important for video which has nothing to do with the shield output.

For the record I have zero desire to do back and forth pixel peeping to come on a forum and say "ah ha! The device is broken!" like so many others seem to enjoy doing. You could literally find a flaw with every single electronic device ever devised if you search for it. At some point you have to draw the line and decide what is good enough because perfection is impossible.
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The Rec2020 is so muted on our Vizio that I've set Shield for Rec709 only, not watching any 4K material outside of discs so it was an easy decision.
That's Vizio's broken update not the Shield.

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Just to be clear I'm not trying to pick a fight or stir up a hornets nest.

I'm honestly trying to understand how to best deal with what seems like a fundamental flaw at the moment. Obviously I hope it simply gets fixed.

If being someone from the HTPC forum makes me a discerning user than I guess I am one.

I've been reading shield threads for a long time and only just recently bought one. I had not heretofore heard of this colorspace problem and wondered if it was something I had just missed in the discussion.

I always assume a thread on avsforums contains experts who care about quality.

If most people here are truly just overlooking this issue that does help me calibrate my expectations.
The best way most people deal with it right now is to set it to 4k 10-bit Rec.709, since most stuff isn't HDR. When you are going to watch something in HDR, change it to 4k 10-bit Rec.2020. Only takes about 10 seconds to do.

I leave mine at 4k 10-bit Rec.2020 (or 12bit), and found only one or non-HDR films that are totally screwed up (30 Meters Down was one of them).
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My TVs are 1080p only. Should I be using the Shield "recommended" color space settings (RGB 8-bit Rec. 709) or is there a better setting?
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My TVs are 1080p only. Should I be using the Shield "recommended" color space settings (RGB 8-bit Rec. 709) or is there a better setting?
Because of your display, you won't have access to any 4k content, so 8bit- rec.709 is fine.

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Because of your display, you won't have access to any 4k content, so 8bit- rec.709 is fine.

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Yes, but should I be using RGB or YUV 444?
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RGB is mostly for gaming and YUV is for video content but either should look the same. The difference is that RGB requires a conversion from YUV before being sent to the display.

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How are people here dealing with the Shield colorspace 1080p / 4K auto resolution switching Issues?

https://github.com/koying/SPMC/issues/1060
https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...uelguzmannv/3/
Running it 4k 60p auto resolution off ;-)

I have received my Shield TV on Saturday and I'm totally happy with its performance as a media player. 1080p upscales just fine, 4k UHD HDR rips are running smooth, Atmos and DTS:X passthrough to receiver works fine, I'm using Kodi 17.5 and glad with it. For now - allmost no glitches for me except some Logitech Harmony Elite settings.

One question - in Linux \ Windows Kodi you can press "O" on keyboard and see current bitrate\codecs\etc info. is there a way to do the same on Shield?

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Running it 4k 60p auto resolution off ;-)

I have received my Shield TV on Saturday and I'm totally happy with its performance as a media player. 1080p upscales just fine, 4k UHD HDR rips are running smooth, Atmos and DTS:X passthrough to receiver works fine, I'm using Kodi 17.5 and glad with it. For now - allmost no glitches for me except some Logitech Harmony Elite settings.

One question - in Linux \ Windows Kodi you can press "O" on keyboard and see current bitrate\codecs\etc info. is there a way to do the same on Shield?
Yep press X
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Anybody else having intermittent cut outs / sluggishness with the included Shield Remote (not the controller) on the 2017 Shield? Sometimes it works very responsive, and sometimes it's like it's not working at all for many seconds both on navigation and voice search. In comparison, my Harmony Smart Control remote that I have paired via Bluetooth seems to be very responsive at all times (except that it doesn't have voice capabilities). Just wanted to check to see if anybody else experienced this and if they had a workaround. Thanks!
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Anybody else having intermittent cut outs / sluggishness with the included Shield Remote (not the controller) on the 2017 Shield? Sometimes it works very responsive, and sometimes it's like it's not working at all for many seconds both on navigation and voice search. In comparison, my Harmony Smart Control remote that I have paired via Bluetooth seems to be very responsive at all times (except that it doesn't have voice capabilities). Just wanted to check to see if anybody else experienced this and if they had a workaround. Thanks!


Yes. The Shield remote is the worst remote I've ever used and one of the primary reasons (other than lack of DV) that I plan to switch to the Apple TV 4K soon.


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I never have used the Shield remote (or controller) and it's still in the original box. I immediately programmed my Harmony Elite for the Shield when I got it.


I have a Harmony One that won't work with it. Even tried Flirc with no success.


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My TV remote controls my shield via HDMI-CEC so I don't have to use the shield remote. Though I don't hate it if I had to use it.

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