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Since searching this thread for "HDR" is not allowed (3 letters too short), I figured I'd post my question instead and I apologize in advanced if it has already been answered.

I have my shield connected to a 4K non-HDR capable display (LG 84UB9800) and while 4k HDR material from Amazon and Netflix is properly tone mapped to display as regular SDR with regular colors as you would expect, playback of ripped 4K UHD titles with HDR via Emby shows the colors as being washed out. Playback of regular Blu-Ray titles look fine.

From the Emby forum, I understand the issue is with the Shield and that there is nothing they (Emby dev team) can to do address the issue. Does anyone here have any insight into when Nvidia might address this issue?

Btw, I also have a HTPC connected to the same TV (both are routed through a Denon AVR 6100 btw), and I have no issues playing back 4K UHD titles via Emby, so the issue definitely appear to be specific to the Shield.
This is a typical problem for 4k HDR tv owners using shield, depending on what to brand they have (mapping has been fixed for my Sony 940E so thankfully this is no longer a problem for me.

If you don't have an HDR tv I would expect your output settings to be for SDR (REC.709, 8 bit, etc), and if you have that as your shield output settings I am surprised to hear you are experiencing the washed it color space problems.
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This has to do with the Shield "currently" not able to adjust the colorspace settings depending on the content fed to it. As a result you may need to manually adjust the colorspace setting on your TV, or if your Shield is set to rgb Rec 709, you should be able to make adjustments in the Dynamic Range menu within the "Advanced" settings under Sound and Display.

Currently this is under development from the Devs over at Nvidia, and as of last night, some positive vibes are coming our way "hopefully".
Under Advanced Settings, Dynamic Range is grayed out and current HDMI mode is 3840x2160 @ 59.940 Hz YUV 420 8-bit Rec. 709. This is also the recommended mode.

When I turn off the above choice as the recommended mode, and filter on 4k RGB modes, my refresh rate choices are:

30 Hz
29.970 Hz
25 Hz
24 Hz
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I picked the last choice (23.976 Hz) as that should match the refresh rate of most movies I believe. Will have to do some testing tonight and also see how TV shows play back. I did briefly playback a 4K title, it and *looks* like the colors are not washed out, but I'll need to do a more meaning full test tonight when it gets dark.

I was under the impression that the Shield switch refresh rate automatically to match the content being played back? That said, I have noticed a lot of jitter in panning scenes when playing back both BRD and 4K titles. Maybe it was converting everything to 59.950 Hz before?
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How does the Fire TV Stick 4K compare to the Shield for playing Blu-ray rips with Plex? I have a Shield but I'm only using it for Plex so it seems like a waste to me. Thinking about selling or trading it for a Fire Stick.
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This is a typical problem for 4k HDR tv owners using shield, depending on what to brand they have (mapping has been fixed for my Sony 940E so thankfully this is no longer a problem for me.

If you don't have an HDR tv I would expect your output settings to be for SDR (REC.709, 8 bit, etc), and if you have that as your shield output settings I am surprised to hear you are experiencing the washed it color space problems.
When I go under Advanced Settings, Dynamic Range is grayed out and current HDMI mode is 3840x2160 @ 59.940 Hz YUV 420 8-bit Rec. 709. This is also the recommended mode. Per my other reply just now, I just changed to RGB mode and a lower refresh rate.

As stated originally, streaming from Netflix and Prime (even HDR titles) properly color tone. The issue is only with the Emby client playing back HDR titles where I have the washed out color issue. Apparently it is related to the decoder that ExoPlayer (Android TV) uses for playback of certain content, including, apparently, local ripped 4K UHD titles. All other content has full color in 3840x2160 @ 59.940 Hz YUV 420 8-bit Rec. 709 mode.
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You can only access Dynamic Range when you Shield is set to RGB 8- bit rec709. This can be adjusted just below the Dynamic Range menu in the HDMI Settings option.

Refresh rate change is available inly if the app supports it. Apps such as Kodi/MrMC/SPMC and Plex support Refresh rate switching.

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You can only access Dynamic Range when you Shield is set to RGB 8- bit rec709. This can be adjusted just below the Dynamic Range menu in the HDMI Settings option.

Refresh rate change is available inly if the app supports it. Apps such as Kodi/MrMC/SPMC and Plex support Refresh rate switching.

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I thought this was changed in the latest update to make it global?..... Not app dependant.

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It's being worked on.

I have the latest "beta" software installed.

Through my testing, Colorspace switching is working through Kodi. I have not tested Plex or any other apps.

The only real way I can tell it's working is by connecting the Shield back to the HDMI input of my Oppo 203. When I pull up the info for videos of various resolutions, refresh rates, and Colorspace data, the 203 "now" reports back the proper information.

In the past the 203 would only report back the proper resolution and refresh rate data, but Colorspace stayed at rec2020 no matter the content.

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How does the Fire TV Stick 4K compare to the Shield for playing Blu-ray rips with Plex? I have a Shield but I'm only using it for Plex so it seems like a waste to me. Thinking about selling or trading it for a Fire Stick.
Fire TV is not quite great for plex. No lossless audio passthrough, and pq noticeably lower for me. For things below 4k, it's fine, but with my uhd rips, i switch back to the shield.

I also like the play next integration on the shield, I just wish I could pick anything from my plex library to add.

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Fire TV is not quite great for plex. No lossless audio passthrough, and pq noticeably lower for me. For things below 4k, it's fine, but with my uhd rips, i switch back to the shield.

I also like the play next integration on the shield, I just wish I could pick anything from my plex library to add.

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Through my testing, I can confirm that the Colorspace does change for content within Netflix and Amazon Prime. I used 4k, 4k/HDR, and 1080p content. The 1080 and 4k content will change to rec709 while the 4k/HDR content will switch to bt2020 on both platforms.

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That's not enough, you have to enable it for every codec, with "expert" settings. The settings that you have changed are only for transcoding, if you changed them and the output sounded different, then Kodi was transcoding, not passing the sound through. What was you AVR indicating?
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Since searching this thread for "HDR" is not allowed (3 letters too short), I figured I'd post my question instead and I apologize in advanced if it has already been answered.

I have my shield connected to a 4K non-HDR capable display (LG 84UB9800) and while 4k HDR material from Amazon and Netflix is properly tone mapped to display as regular SDR with regular colors as you would expect, playback of ripped 4K UHD titles with HDR via Emby shows the colors as being washed out. Playback of regular Blu-Ray titles look fine.

From the Emby forum, I understand the issue is with the Shield and that there is nothing they (Emby dev team) can to do address the issue. Does anyone here have any insight into when Nvidia might address this issue?

Btw, I also have a HTPC connected to the same TV (both are routed through a Denon AVR 6100 btw), and I have no issues playing back 4K UHD titles via Emby, so the issue definitely appear to be specific to the Shield.

Your TV probably has only 709 color space and new 4k discs are in Bt.2020, so your color are washed out. Netflix and Amazon have multiple encodings for the same movie and they serve you the one that matches the capabilities of your TV, so files with 709. Unless nvidia or Google implement 2020 to 709 conversion (doubtful), then you will have to use 1080 rips. If you need the 4k version for other TVs, then you can use mkvtoolnix and add the 1080 stream (only the video, not the audio) to the 4k rip.
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Your TV probably has only 709 color space and new 4k discs are in Bt.2020, so your color are washed out. Netflix and Amazon have multiple encodings for the same movie and they serve you the one that matches the capabilities of your TV, so files with 709. Unless nvidia or Google implement 2020 to 709 conversion (doubtful), then you will have to use 1080 rips. If you need the 4k version for other TVs, then you can use mkvtoolnix and add the 1080 stream (only the video, not the audio) to the 4k rip.
Nvidia is testing this out, I have it working using one of their beta images and it is working on my end.
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Nvidia is testing this out, I have it working using one of their beta images and it is working on my end.

That's different, it's for sets with both color spaces. If a set supports only 709, then there is no bt.2020 mode to switch to, so the 2020 content has to be converted to 709.
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That's not enough, you have to enable it for every codec, with "expert" settings. The settings that you have changed are only for transcoding, if you changed them and the output sounded different, then Kodi was transcoding, not passing the sound through. What was you AVR indicating?


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Your TV probably has only 709 color space and new 4k discs are in Bt.2020, so your color are washed out. Netflix and Amazon have multiple encodings for the same movie and they serve you the one that matches the capabilities of your TV, so files with 709. Unless nvidia or Google implement 2020 to 709 conversion (doubtful), then you will have to use 1080 rips. If you need the 4k version for other TVs, then you can use mkvtoolnix and add the 1080 stream (only the video, not the audio) to the 4k rip.
I have a centrally located Emby server with a ton of full 1080p rips (about 20-30Gb .mkv each) and well as a bunch of 4k rips (about 30-60Gb .mkv each). I have 4k HDR capable devices in other locations in the house, and they play back 4K HDR content in all their glory where the color really pop. Other clients I have include Roku Ultra's and Apple TV units as well as another HTPC in the dedicated theater room.

However, my "casual" TV is an older 84" LG that, while 4K, is too old to support HDR, but given that it is a 84" unit, I'm reluctant to retire it just yet. Also, as I mentioned in my original post, in addition to the Shield, I also have a HTPC connected as another source. It has a 1050Ti GPU, and is is fully capable of converting 709 color space to Bt.2020 to where the colors of 4K HDR source material does not look washed out. Sure, it does not have the same pop as watching that same content on a HDR capable display, but it does not loose color either, compared to watching the 1080 version.

Glad to hear Nvidia is working on getting this working for the Shield. Playback of 4K titles with proper tone mapping is the only thing I still need the HTPC for these days.

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I have a centrally located Emby server lots of full 1080p rips (about 20-30Gb .mkv files) and well as full 4k rips (about 30-60Gb .mkv files). I have 4k HDR capable TVs in other locations in the house, and they play back 4K HDR content in all their glory where the color really pop.

However, my "casual" TV is an older 84" LG that, while 4K, is too old to support HDR, but given that it is a 84" unit, I'm reluctant to retire it just yet. Also, as I mentioned in my original post, in addition to the Shield, I also have a HTPC connected as another source. It has a 1050Ti GPU, and is is fully capable of converting 709 color space to Bt.2020 to where the colors of 4K HDR source material does not look washed out. Sure, it does not have the same pop as watching that same content on a HDR capable display, but it does not loose color either, compared to watching the 1080 version.

Glad to hear Nvidia is working on getting this working for the Shield. Playback of 4K titles with proper tone mapping is the only thing I still need the HTPC for these days.
I did some testing per @harvos explanation:

I've configured my Devices to use a "rec709 only" state.

Shield is set to "rec709"
Dynamic Range on the Shield is set to "Limited"
Tested both 4K and 1080 resolutions



Sony Display is set to "rec709"
RGB on my Sony Display is set to "Limited"


Color Depth on Oppo 203 set to "8-bit"
Color Space on my Oppo 203 is set to "RGB Video Level"
HDR on Oppo 203 is set to "off(bt.709)
Output Resolution for Oppo 203 is set to "Source Direct"


Via Kodi, when playing 4K/HDR Content, HDR is of course not displayed and it is showing in SDR with proper tone mapping.

Reading the information from my Oppo 203's displays rec709 SDR

Netflix and Amazon only display 4K and not HDR for titles with HDR as a result of forcing the Colorspace to rec709 as expected.

((((Removing the Oppo 203 from the mix, the Shield is able to display the same content with the same tone mapping.))))


(((If I set the Resolution for the Oppo 203 to "Auto", it will produce a washed out image, Black Bars look gray, for example.)))

Hope this helps.
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So setting the Shield to rec709 and Dynamic Range to Limited totally fixed the issue! And choosing the 23.976 Hz refresh option also eliminated the annoying blank display I would get each time I started or stopped a movie as the Shield would resent back to 59.940 Hz. Thanks for the suggestions everyone!
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So setting the Shield to rec709 and Dynamic Range to Limited totally fixed the issue! And choosing the 23.976 Hz refresh option also eliminated the annoying blank display I would get each time I started or stopped a movie as the Shield would resent back to 59.940 Hz. Thanks for the suggestions everyone!
This is only through the beta firmware, don't use this on your system "now".

I'm just reporting the results of Colorspace Switching, as a result of the Beta Firmware, when all equipment in the Chain is forced to rec.709.

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getting way too much audio from my side channels and nothing from my fronts?

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with the new update my shield remote has suddenly lost the ability to control the volume on my denon receiver.

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Hey twice tonight while switching apps I had no audio on my shield. Had to reboot it to get it back?


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This has more to do with Android than anything else.

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That is KODI specific. It says it in the "tool tip" at the bottom. "VideoPlayer won't use passthrough audio in this case." Says the same on PC.
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Once again, I have it enabled and have Atmos displayed on my soundbar from MKV Atmos files.
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Once again, I have it enabled and have Atmos displayed on my soundbar from MKV Atmos files.
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Ok so "And that's why I disabled it because Lossless Audio does not work for me" would have served readers better I suppose.
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Or maybe the fact that others ran into the same situation as mine on the Kodi forum? Did you even bother to read through the link I supplied from the Kodi forum regarding that setting?

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