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Mine is working flawlessly. Oppo UDP-203 Reports SDR and BT.709 colorspace for the kids "HD" Netflix stream and the cable TV (HDHomeRun View app).

I flipped over to Plex and started up a 4k uhd rip and the TV recognized"HDR10" and the oppo reports HDR report and BT.2020 color space.

Very cool.
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I don't know how you guys make the colorspace works. I installed 7.2.2 and enabled developer mode. Enable the colorimetry option. Set my shield to output 1080p, rgb 709 option. Rebooted twice since the 1st reboot didn't work.

I have Yamaha 1070 receiver and set it to passthrough. I use Plex to play mkv files from the attached usb drive. Played 1080p movie is fine and the Sony 940E displays 1080p input. However, when I played 4k mkv movie file, the TV also displays 1080p input.

What did I do wrong?

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Perhaps because you told the Shield to output 1080p rec.709??
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Perhaps because you told the Shield to output 1080p rec.709??
So what do I need to do to have the shield output either 1080p or 4k based on the mkv files resolution AUTOMATICALLY?

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So what do I need to do to have the shield output either 1080p or 4k based on the mkv files resolution AUTOMATICALLY?

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In Emby I have refresh rate/resolution switching on. The Shield can't do this globally, it is per app.
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The auto color space switching seems to be working much better with my JVC projector!! Previously, colors on the home screen and some other sources would be washed out unless I manually selected HDR gamma. Now everything looks better and the projector automatically kicks into HDR mode when appropriate for the content.

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Mine is working flawlessly. Oppo UDP-203 Reports SDR and BT.709 colorspace for the kids "HD" Netflix stream and the cable TV (HDHomeRun View app).

I flipped over to Plex and started up a 4k uhd rip and the TV recognized"HDR10" and the oppo reports HDR report and BT.2020 color space.

Very cool.
Yep, performed the same test with the same equipment. I was very happy to see this as well.

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I don't know how you guys make the colorspace works. I installed 7.2.2 and enabled developer mode. Enable the colorimetry option. Set my shield to output 1080p, rgb 709 option. Rebooted twice since the 1st reboot didn't work.

I have Yamaha 1070 receiver and set it to passthrough. I use Plex to play mkv files from the attached usb drive. Played 1080p movie is fine and the Sony 940E displays 1080p input. However, when I played 4k mkv movie file, the TV also displays 1080p input.

What did I do wrong?

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You have a 4K display. Set the Shield to [email protected] 420--bt2020 (usually the recommended setting)

On your display:

HDR - auto
RGB - auto
Colorspace - auto

Try out these settings.

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You have a 4K display. Set the Shield to [email protected] 420--bt2020 (usually the recommended setting)



On your display:



HDR - auto

RGB - auto

Colorspace - auto



Try out these settings.
Thanks. I guess I was confused the resolution with colorspace. Was hoping to get the output raw resolution from Shield so my TV can do the upscaling. I don't think I can display what colorspace I'm getting on my TV. Thank you all.

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Thanks. I guess I was confused the resolution with colorspace. Was hoping to get the output raw resolution from Shield so my TV can do the upscaling. I don't think I can display what colorspace I'm getting on my TV. Thank you all.

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You can do that with certain apps, like Emby or Kodi by setting the Shield to 1080p and then setting the app to auto switch. But I noticed that it messes up other apps, for instance Prime Video now only plays 1080p now even when I select a UHD video.
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Thanks. I guess I was confused the resolution with colorspace. Was hoping to get the output raw resolution from Shield so my TV can do the upscaling. I don't think I can display what colorspace I'm getting on my TV. Thank you all.

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QUOTE=cuibap;57419234]Thanks. I guess I was confused the resolution with colorspace. Was hoping to get the output raw resolution from Shield so my TV can do the upscaling. I don't think I can display what colorspace I'm getting on my TV. Thank you all.

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That is one drawback to these Sony Displays. They are excellent when it comes to image quality, but not knowing what is actually running regarding image info and video details, minus display resolution and refresh rate, there's no other way other than to connect a device that will display this information. Luckily I and @psuKinger have Oppo 203 UHD Players which will display the information needed. As tested, colorspace is changing on the Shield between rec709 and bt2020. This was not the case before this update.

The 203 would display the changes if files were played directly on this device, but when the Shield was connected to the 203's HDMI Input, the Colorspace would not change no matter the content. Screen resolution and refresh rate would change however.
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You can do that with certain apps, like Emby or Kodi by setting the Shield to 1080p and then setting the app to auto switch. But I noticed that it messes up other apps, for instance Prime Video now only plays 1080p now even when I select a UHD video.
If you mostly use Shield for local media or stream a good amount of 4K content best practice is probably to leave Shield at default 4K and apps that support resolution switching will output 1080p when appropriate. MrMC will do this by default. Kodi can do it if set up right. That way streaming apps will output at 4K. Never used Emby so can't speak for that one. Downside is that when your stream 1080p from apps that don't support resolution switching your stuck with the Shield's upscaling. I sit far enough from my 65" screen that I can't really tell a major difference with Shield upscaling so I don't mind. Closer viewing on a large screen would be more noticeable though.

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If you mostly use Shield for local media or stream a good amount of 4K content best practice is probably to leave Shield at default 4K and apps that support resolution switching will output 1080p when appropriate. MrMC will do this by default. Kodi can do it if set up right. That way streaming apps will output at 4K. Never used Emby so can't speak for that one. Downside is that when your stream 1080p from apps that don't support resolution switching your stuck with the Shield's upscaling. I sit far enough from my 65" screen that I can't really tell a major difference with Shield upscaling so I don't mind. Closer viewing on a large screen would be more noticeable though.
Oh OK I thought for any app to change resolution you had to set it to 1080p. I didn't know it would go down in res. I am 99.5% 1080p so I set it at 1080p. I bet I couldn't tell the difference between the scaling but everyone says it's poor so I try to avoid it.

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If you mostly use Shield for local media or stream a good amount of 4K content best practice is probably to leave Shield at default 4K and apps that support resolution switching will output 1080p when appropriate. MrMC will do this by default. Kodi can do it if set up right. That way streaming apps will output at 4K. Never used Emby so can't speak for that one. Downside is that when your stream 1080p from apps that don't support resolution switching your stuck with the Shield's upscaling. I sit far enough from my 65" screen that I can't really tell a major difference with Shield upscaling so I don't mind. Closer viewing on a large screen would be more noticeable though.
This is my experience as well. Pulling a chair up to 2' away from the screen and running text patterns, I can *clearly* see all of the flaws/failures of the upscaler that others so often complain about. It's real and its easy to spot.

But I sit about 13' away from my 75" set for "normal viewing," and at that difference it is AWFULLY hard to notice. It's certainly a much smaller difference/improvement, to my eyes, than the difference between TrueHD/HD-MA and DD/DTS is, to my ears, and many on here are adamant about the lossy audio being "good enough" (or more)...

I do think maybe PQ/tonal quality has gotten a little bump/improvement, for me, with this color space switching. I've been fortunate that for many months now, on Sony TVs like the one I owned, the color-mapping for Shield REC.2020 output of SDR content was ~fixed (the major/distinct/obvious flaws in the washed out Red of the Netflix app icon was remedied long ago). But I think having shield do the proper SDR output might be just a *little* bit truer/better... I like it.

It'll be a MAJOR improvement if no longer doing all the processing it was doing to scale things up to REC.2020 will mean it no longer needs to be rebooted once (or more) a week.... early days (1 night), but so far overall performance around the GUI/homescreen I think as improved for me as well.


NVidia's continued support of this device has been great. I sincerely hope this isn't the last streaming box they ever release...
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I just own the Shield, still try to get to know it.
Then come to this color space issue, I'm like a kinder-gardener.
Honestly, I don't want to ask some dump questions so I keep on reading.

Regard to this thing, I have a Sammy Q6 and I believe I set the color space to Auto (not 100% sure though but most likely), I have a Yammy TSR-7850 set to passthru (both audio and video) and the Shield that has 7.2.2 firmware but NOT enable the Colormetry yet. The Shield set to Recommended (4K, 59.94Hz, color sampling 420, bt2020.
I have viewed my 4K mkv, 1080p mkv from the external HDD and I don't really see any color "washout". Obviously color on the 4K is much more detail and better look but it is not that bad on the 1080p.
Is it normal?
or I don't notice because I have low expectation?

On a related note, how do we check for those info on TV and AVR?
I think I've seen something on "INFO" but not really pay attention.
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I just own the Shield, still try to get to know it.
Then come to this color space issue, I'm like a kinder-gardener.
Honestly, I don't want to ask some dump questions so I keep on reading.

Regard to this thing, I have a Sammy Q6 and I believe I set the color space to Auto (not 100% sure though but most likely), I have a Yammy TSR-7850 set to passthru (both audio and video) and the Shield that has 7.2.2 firmware but NOT enable the Colormetry yet. The Shield set to Recommended (4K, 59.94Hz, color sampling 420, bt2020.
I have viewed my 4K mkv, 1080p mkv from the external HDD and I don't really see any color "washout". Obviously color on the 4K is much more detail and better look but it is not that bad on the 1080p.
Is it normal?
or I don't notice because I have low expectation?

On a related note, how do we check for those info on TV and AVR?
I think I've seen something on "INFO" but not really pay attention.
Some TV brands/models do a good job of mapping BT.2020 ("HDR") Shield output values into the proper BT.709 ("SDR") color space.

If you're having the problem, it's fairly easy to confirm. Just get out a tablet/laptop/phone, and start up a Netflix stream of the same content on both the Shield and the portable device right next to it. I like(d) to use a children's cartoon called Dinotrux that my kids were particularly into a year ago when my Sony wasn't handling the BT.2020-->BT.709 properly, because one of the "Trux," the big Red T-Rex, is supposed to be a very bight/vibrant shade of Red. And on ALL of my other devices (and the Shield, when the Shield wasn't set to output BT.2020), he was. But with the Shield set to BT.2020 output and playing an SDR "HD" stream from Netflix, the Big Red T-Rex looked like he'd been machine-washed, aggressively, in hot-water and with Whites, and hung out to dry/age in the sun for a few years; his "bright vibrant red" was dull, earth-toned, and faded looking. If you have a tool to do the A-B comparison with, it's pretty easy to spot.

If Tye (the red T-Trux in that cartoon) looks approximately the same shade of red on your phone/tablet/laptop and on your Shield with BT.2020 output settings, that means your color mapping is working and you're G2G
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ahhh, the ole Dinotrux test...........
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Unfortunately, I don't have Netflix to test but here's what I would do
A. set the Shield to BT.2020 (keep it as Recommended)
Play an 1080p non-HDR clip using Kodi or Plex.

B. set the Shield to BT.709 (disable Recommended option and manually choose 1080 bt709)
Play the exact same 1080p non-HDR clip using Kodi or Plex.

C. set the Shield to Recommended AFTER enable Colormetry (spelling?) in the Developer mode
Play the exact same 1080p non-HDR clip using Kodi or Plex.

Keep everything else intact.
Pay attention to the color in those 3 cases.

Is it a good plan to test?
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Unfortunately, I don't have Netflix to test but here's what I would do
A. set the Shield to BT.2020 (keep it as Recommended)
Play an 1080p non-HDR clip using Kodi or Plex.

B. set the Shield to BT.709 (disable Recommended option and manually choose 1080 bt709)
Play the exact same 1080p non-HDR clip using Kodi or Plex.

C. set the Shield to Recommended AFTER enable Colormetry (spelling?) in the Developer mode
Play the exact same 1080p non-HDR clip using Kodi or Plex.

Keep everything else intact.
Pay attention to the color in those 3 cases.

Is it a good plan to test?
Yes.
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You have a 4K display. Set the Shield to [email protected] 420--bt2020 (usually the recommended setting)

On your display:

HDR - auto
RGB - auto
Colorspace - auto

Try out these settings.

What Shield video output settings would you suggest if I have a 4K TV, but only have/use 1080P content and couldn't care less what 'thing' upscales the resolution to 4K.
I do want the colors to be 'right' though.
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What Shield video output settings would you suggest if I have a 4K TV, but only have/use 1080P content and couldn't care less what 'thing' upscales the resolution to 4K.
I do want the colors to be 'right' though.
Then you just want the recommended setting on the shield, which should be 4k 2020 59hz. imo
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For my set up, my Shield is set to [email protected] 420--bt2020.

For apps such as Kodi/MrMC, I have them set at [email protected]

My 1080p Rips play at [email protected] and my Display adjusts its Resolution and Refresh Rate to match.

My UHD Rips play at [email protected] and my Display adjusts its resolution and refresh rate to match.

Since 24p is detected on my Display, it changes to "Cinema Home" as well.

Now with the new Colorimetry settings, the Colorspace now adjusts depending on the content I'm playing.

The only exception is Plex, whereas this app does not adjust the Display Resolution. Only the Refresh rate changes. To get the best of both worlds, I use the Plex Plugin for Kodi.

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So after a factory reset on my Harmony Touch and Hub, I followed the instructions on the Nvidia forums, "Tips for setting up your Logitech Harmony for use with SHIELD Android TV", and everything is working as I expected it to. Happy day, now I am not questioning my purchase of the Shield anymore [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
So tonight, for no apparent reason my Harmony remote was no longer paired. I got the message about needing to use the app to pair the device. Did that, didn't work. It's back to being in the endless loop of saying it paired and then not working. I am not doing another factory reset, though maybe I can save all my songs and then reload them from the computer application.

Is this are occurring problem for anyone else? My phone with the Harmony app works better than the Touch and it never unpairs. Getting a cheap android phone to use as a remote with the Hub works probably be easier.

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For anyone with a Sony x900 series or the Z/A series

While you can't actually display which color space you're getting on your TV, you can check to make sure that the SHIELD is in fact displaying the proper colors through your TV's menu. Go to:

Picture adjustments
Advance settings
Video options
Color space (should be on Auto)

If you want to make sure that your SHIELD is displaying 709 on 709 content just press right from "Auto" & change it to BT709, if you don't notice any change whatsoever in the colors from when it was set to Auto, then you know that the SHIELD is displaying the correct space. Conversely, you could just press left & change it to BT2020 & if the colors change to a more saturated look then you know that the SHIELD was showing the right colors on the 709 content you were playing for testing purposes.

This also works on HDR content too, press right from Auto & it'll look washed out, press left it'll stay the same

Hope this helps
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So tonight, for no apparent reason my Harmony remote was no longer paired. I got the message about needing to use the app to pair the device. Did that, didn't work. It's back to being in the endless loop of saying it paired and then not working. I am not doing another factory reset, though maybe I can save all my songs and then reload them from the computer application.

Is this are occurring problem for anyone else? My phone with the Harmony app works better than the TouchType it never unpairs. Getting a cheap android phone to use as a remote with the Hub works probably be easier.
I get that "not paired" screen from time to time but then the remote ends up working anyway.

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For anyone with a Sony x900 series or the Z/A series

While you can't actually display which color space you're getting on your TV, you can check to make sure that the SHIELD is in fact displaying the proper colors through your TV's menu. Go to:

Picture adjustments
Advance settings
Video options
Color space (should be on Auto)

If you want to make sure that your SHIELD is displaying 709 on 709 content just press right from "Auto" & change it to BT709, if you don't notice any change whatsoever in the colors from when it was set to Auto, then you know that the SHIELD is displaying the correct space. Conversely, you could just press left & change it to BT2020 & if the colors change to a more saturated look then you know that the SHIELD was showing the right colors on the 709 content you were playing for testing purposes.

This also works on HDR content too, press right from Auto & it'll look washed out, press left it'll stay the same

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Not really a good case, especially before the Colorimetry adjustment. The Sony Displays were good at tone mapping so there was really no need to make further adjustments, but the fact that the Shield was not adjusting the Colorspace was still an issue for those that own Displays that did not have good tone mapping.

As seen in the screen shots I made a couple of months ago, you can see what the Shield is reporting compared to the Oppo 203. Colorspace was not Changing on the Shield, but it was on the 203. These are real-time reports.

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After a bunch of updates and beta testing my Shield, I decided to reinstall MrMC, and holy crap that was quick. No need for addons or restores from backups. I just logged into my Plex Account, and boom, all my content was available. No need to adjust anything with the exception of configuring the Audio within the Expert settings, plus setting the Colorspace to "Limited". I also did not need to adjust the Display resolution, as MrMC now changes it depending on the content I play.

This is 3.7.1, and according to the main site, there were only Bug Fixes made. Maybe I missed something, but this is wayyyy better than configuring Kodi, as I barely had to do anything to make this app work.

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I get that "not paired" screen from time to time but then the remote ends up working anyway.
It seems that once I get that not paired screen, it will not work no matter what I do short of factory reset. I'll post my issue on the Logitech forums and see if they are any help.
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You have a 4K display. Set the Shield to [email protected] 420--bt2020 (usually the recommended setting)

On your display:

HDR - auto
RGB - auto
Colorspace - auto

Try out these settings.
Shouldn't it be set for 59.94hz for output?

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Shouldn't it be set for 59.94hz for output?

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Actually you are correct. I was screwing around with this setting back and forth a while back, and set it back to 59.95hz.
This was when I added an Xbox One X to my system and was trying to get the Dynamic Range menu to activate to compare settings between the Shield and the Xbox.

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Wow just got the Shield, what a nice surprise coming from a Dune pro 4k.....no banding anymore on my 5040ub!

Everything is working great except auto resolution switching. I'm using KODI, can anybody help? Thanx!
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