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He doesn't have any issue, folks.
His Firestick is not able to bitstream lossless audio track. Period.
His Shield will arrive soon (today?).
With the Shield you should be able to get TrueHD and DTS-HD MA on your Marantz.
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Yes, Got it. Lossless joy with Kodi. Thanks, Guys

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Is The Shield GPU Outdated By Now?

I'm asking because my Amazon gen 2 FTV and FS 4K PQ is definitely but subtley better. I hate the word "pop" but the Shield is lacking it. All go into the same AVR and then to a 9G Kuro plasma. Video settings the same and into the same input. My other devices including an Amlogic S912 Beelink box are all sharper and have better contrast.


I tried playing with color space, etc and see no difference and what is odd that when I go back into Shield display setting, it reverts back to recommended (1080 59.0) even tho I unchecked that.

Appreciate any settings that I may overlooked or could try?

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Well that's the thing I'm not so sure that's the case. I see "Ultra HD 4k", and "HDR". When I select the ones marked 4k the TV doesn't go into HDR mode.

Hard to say if the ones marked HDR are 4k. But to test I put the shield in 1080p mode. All the HDR versions are still there and when watched they enable HDR in 1080p. I tend to think all those just marked HDR are just 1080p.
If it’s marked only 4k and not HDR, it’s not HDR. If it’s marked HDR it is typically 4k HDR although I’m guessing that, as you have discovered, if your display is capable of 1080 HDR then that will work. All of the shows that I have watched that were marked HDR have played in 4k HDR for me. But as I mentioned, all of my HDR capable displays are 4k.

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Well that's the thing I'm not so sure that's the case. I see "Ultra HD 4k", and "HDR". When I select the ones marked 4k the TV doesn't go into HDR mode.

Hard to say if the ones marked HDR are 4k. But to test I put the shield in 1080p mode. All the HDR versions are still there and when watched they enable HDR in 1080p. I tend to think all those just marked HDR are just 1080p.
4K and HDR are not mutually exclusive especially when it comes to Netflix titles.
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4K and HDR are not mutually exclusive especially when it comes to Netflix titles.
Right, but most of the shows marked HDR are 4k HDR but not all apparently. I never went looking but someone did point out that a few are actually 1080 HDR. I think one of the Star Trek movies were actually shot that way, I forget which one. Net is I think “HDR but not 4k” is the exception rather than the rule, if that makes sense.

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Right, but most of the shows marked HDR are 4k HDR but not all apparently. I never went looking but someone did point out that a few are actually 1080 HDR. I think one of the Star Trek movies were actually shot that way, I forget which one. Net is I think “HDR but not 4k” is the exception rather than the rule, if that makes sense.

The Netflix addon for Kodi will give you a definite answer, for the app itself streams videos in the same manner as with your local content. This means, Resolution switching, as well as Framerate switching.

A series such as Love Death and Robots is a 1080p series with HDR. In Kodi, set at 1080p/30, my display stays at 1080p and HDR10 engages. That's not the case with the Android TV Netflix App. The display stays at 4k but HDR engages.

Altered Carbon is a Ultra HD series with HDR. In the Android TV app, the display stays at 4K/60 (as expected) and HDR engages. In the Kodi addon, because I have Kodi set to 1080p/30, the Display switches to 4k/24p with HDR.
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The Netflix addon for Kodi will give you a definite answer, for the app itself streams videos in the same manner as with your local content. This means, Resolution switching, as well as Framerate switching.

A series such as Love Death and Robots is a 1080p series with HDR. In Kodi, set at 1080p/30, my display stays at 1080p and HDR10 engages. That's not the case with the Android TV Netflix App. The display stays at 4k but HDR engages.

Altered Carbon is a Ultra HD series with HDR. In the Android TV app, the display stays at 4K/60 (as expected) and HDR engages. In the Kodi addon, because I have Kodi set to 1080p/30, the Display switches to 4k/24p with HDR.
Good tip for those that want to try to find out which shows are in exactly what format.
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Thanks man I'll give it a try.
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All of the shows that I have watched that were marked HDR have played in 4k HDR for me. But as I mentioned, all of my HDR capable displays are 4k.
But how do you know that? To get any 4k to show up on the Shield in Netflix you have set the Shield to 2160p. So then everything is going to be output at 4k. So you can't really know if the video that HDR was 1080p or 2160p because everything is being output at 2160p.

I am under the assumption that if it doesn't say 4K its not 4K, and in my limited searching I have not found something that says 4K and HDR, anyone know of one?

Sounds like the Netflix Plugin will be able to answer this question.
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Thanks man I'll give it a try.


But how do you know that? To get any 4k to show up on the Shield in Netflix you have set the Shield to 2160p. So then everything is going to be output at 4k. So you can't really know if the video that HDR was 1080p or 2160p because everything is being output at 2160p.

I am under the assumption that if it doesn't say 4K its not 4K, and in my limited searching I have not found something that says 4K and HDR, anyone know of one?

Sounds like the Netflix Plugin will be able to answer this question.
You are correct, I don’t know for a certainty that most, but not all, of the shows marked HDR are also 4k as I haven’t personally tested them. All I can tell you is what I have been able to ascertain from the research and reading that I have done. And that is what I have stated several times now but obviously not clearly enough. If it indicates HDR it is more than likely, but not always, also 4k. If it indicates that it is 4k but does not indicate it is HDR than it is only 4k but not 4k HDR. If it doesn’t indicate either 4k or HDR then it is neither 4k nor HDR. Hopefully that, combined with what I have indicated previously, is clear. If not I give up. Good luck and I hope you get the answers you are looking for.

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You are correct, I don’t know for a certainty that most, but not all, of the shows marked HDR are also 4k as I haven’t personally tested them. All I can tell you is what I have been able to ascertain from the research and reading that I have done. And that is what I have stated several times now but obviously not clearly enough. If it indicates HDR it is more than likely, but not always, also 4k. If it indicates that it is 4k but does not indicate it is HDR than it is only 4k but not 4k HDR. If it doesn’t indicate either 4k or HDR then it is neither 4k nor HDR. Hopefully that, combined with what I have indicated previously, is clear. If not I give up. Good luck and I hope you get the answers you are looking for.
No need to get chippy, wasn't really looking for answers. Just having a discussion. Have a nice night.
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No need to get chippy, wasn't really looking for answers. Just having a discussion. Have a nice night.
Sorry if it came across “chippy” it wasn’t meant that way...it’s all good. Perhaps this list will help:

https://hd-report.com/list-of-4k-ult...ws-on-netflix/

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Sorry if it came across “chippy” it wasn’t meant that way...it’s all good. Perhaps this list will help:

https://hd-report.com/list-of-4k-ult...ws-on-netflix/
Cool no worries. Thanks for the list.
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Sorry if it came across “chippy” it wasn’t meant that way...it’s all good. Perhaps this list will help:

https://hd-report.com/list-of-4k-ult...ws-on-netflix/
How accurate is this list though because it only shows "Okja" as having Atmos and I did a quick search and found:

Triple Frontier
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I always use Mediainfo on my content to be sure of what I've got.

https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo
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How accurate is this list though because it only shows "Okja" as having Atmos and I did a quick search and found:

Triple Frontier
The Dirt
Love Death + Robots
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I should have included the caveat that I have no idea how accurate the list is. It was just what I was able to find with a search. That said, the list does not purport to be a list of NetFlix shows with ATMOS but yeah, it does make you question the rest of the accuracy.

Here is another list for you (note that I have no idea of the accuracy of the list):

https://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...by-atmos/42751
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I always use Mediainfo on my content to be sure of what I've got.

https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo
Interesting. Does it run on a Shield and does it work with content you are streaming from NetFlix since that is the subject of the discussion.
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How accurate is this list though because it only shows "Okja" as having Atmos and I did a quick search and found:

Triple Frontier
The Dirt
Love Death + Robots
Birdbox
The Order
Punisher
Mowgli
Turn up Charlie
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The Haunting on Hill House
Formula 1
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How it Ends
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Lost in Space
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Outlaw King
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Also according to that list everything that has HDR is 4K. At least what I had scrolled through.
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Also according to that list everything that has HDR is 4K. At least what I had scrolled through.
Correct. As I have been saying all along, the vast majority of HDR content is 4k. It is my understanding that their are some titles that are HDR but not 4k but their are very few of them. My guess is that this is why they just use HDR instead of 4k HDR in the listings as it would be redundant (again with the caveat that their are a small number of exceptions). Again this is what I have been saying all along.

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Correct. As I have been saying all along, the vast majority of HDR content is 4k. It is my understanding that their are some titles that are HDR but not 4k but their are very few of them. My guess is that this is why they just use HDR instead of 4k HDR in the listings as it would be redundant (again with the caveat that their are a small number of exceptions). Again this is what I have been saying all along.
Well that's true you've been saying that. But we really didn't have any evidence besides that. Until you posted that link. I relent though. I just searched HDR and Ultre HD and all the stuff that comes up as HDR also cones up under the 4K search. Well at least what was up to.

That's good enough for me this was really just a curiosity. Everyone have a nice Sunday.
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I'm asking because my Amazon gen 2 FTV and FS 4K PQ is definitely but subtley better. I hate the word "pop" but the Shield is lacking it. All go into the same AVR and then to a 9G Kuro plasma. Video settings the same and into the same input. My other devices including an Amlogic S912 Beelink box are all sharper and have better contrast.


I tried playing with color space, etc and see no difference and what is odd that when I go back into Shield display setting, it reverts back to recommended (1080 59.0) even tho I unchecked that.

Appreciate any settings that I may overlooked or could try?

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Update: Changes are sticking but the PQ still has a "dullish" look, color, contrast, etc. Most people might not notice but does not look like my other boxes and my Directv DVR. Any ideas for color space, etc that might not be playing well with my Plasma?

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Interesting. Does it run on a Shield and does it work with content you are streaming from NetFlix since that is the subject of the discussion.
It is a PC program. The Shield discussion is most often about our own content as was my post.
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I should have included the caveat that I have no idea how accurate the list is. It was just what I was able to find with a search. That said, the list does not purport to be a list of NetFlix shows with ATMOS but yeah, it does make you question the rest of the accuracy.

Here is another list for you (note that I have no idea of the accuracy of the list):

https://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...by-atmos/42751
I like this list better and it seems to be more complete as far as both Dolby Vision and Atmos.
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One thing about the Netflix addon for Kodi is that the content description will not give you the full detail of what you want to stream. It's only when you are streaming the content, that you can check your Display's settings and AVR/Sound Bar for real-time information regarding HD/4k/HDR/ and Atmos.

Titles that are Ultra HD will be described as 1080 for this Addon.

Titles with Atmos audio will be described as Dolby HD.

Movies such as "Solo:A Star Wars Story" will be described as 720p. 720p movie releases will actually stream at 1080p/24.



Very weird descriptions obviously, but when you begin to stream the content, check out your Display's description to see whether or not the display switched to 1080p or 4k. WIth the "Dolby HD" audio description, it's pretty much a given that you will be playing the title in Dolby Atmos.

Now this is not a solid addon. It did break for me and other users about 2 weeks ago. There was a fix, but I lost the ability to automatically switch resolutions and audio. I had to manually configure these settings.
With the version I installed Saturday morning, Auto resolution/framerate, and audio track switching was back to normal.

I no longer have my Shield attached to my Oppo 203, for this configuration was the easiest way to tell what type of information I was getting in real-time from the Shield, including Colorspace switching. My Sony already does a great job at colorspace switching, and with the new Colorimetry option for the Shield, I hope this helps with those with the need to have proper Color Space switching.

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@whiteboy714 and @mjwagner

One thing about the Netflix addon for Kodi is that the content description will not give you the full detail of what you want to stream. It's only when you are streaming the content, that you can check your Display's settings and AVR/Sound Bar for real-time information regarding HD/4k/HDR/ and Atmos.

Titles that are Ultra HD will be described as 1080 for this Addon.

Titles with Atmos audio will be described as Dolby HD.

Movies such as "Solo:A Star Wars Story" will be described as 720p. 720p movie releases will actually stream at 1080p/24.



Very weird descriptions obviously, but when you begin to stream the content, check out your Display's description to see whether or not the display switched to 1080p or 4k. WIth the "Dolby HD" audio description, it's pretty much a given that you will be playing the title in Dolby Atmos.

Now this is not a solid addon. It did break for me and other users about 2 weeks ago. There was a fix, but I lost the ability to automatically switch resolutions and audio. I had to manually configure these settings.
With the version I installed Saturday morning, Auto resolution/framerate, and audio track switching was back to normal.

I no longer have my Shield attached to my Oppo 203, for this configuration was the easiest way to tell what type of information I was getting in real-time from the Shield, including Colorspace switching. My Sony already does a great job at colorspace switching, and with the new Colorimetry option for the Shield, I hope this helps with those with the need to have proper Color Space switching.
Thanks for the write up. I installed this add on in Windows this morning. I couldn't get anything to play. All the right stuff got installed but when I go to play it just goes to load and stops. I'll try it on the Shield later just because.
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While their certainly could be HDR content on Netflix that is not 4k (I don’t personally know of any but that doesn’t mean it’s not there, I just have never looked for it since all my HDR capable sets are 4k) the vast majority of the content marked HDR is 4k so it’s not surprising that they only list it as HDR.
Yes There are titles on Netflix that are in HDR but only 1080P. I've watched four or five of them.
Most recently I think the Love and Robots or whatever it's called is in 1080P HDR. I watched the first four episodes last night. And it was also in atmos. But obviously not from the shield since most devices don't have access to atmos from Netflix.

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Yes There are titles on Netflix that are in HDR but only 1080P. I've watched four or five of them.
Most recently I think the Love and Robots or whatever it's called is in 1080P HDR. I watched the first four episodes last night. And it was also in atmos. But obviously not from the shield since most devices don't have access to atmos from Netflix.

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What device are you using for Netflix that allows the resolution to auto switch and you see what's being outputted?

EDIT### Just confirmed that my Samsung TV can do this, actually saw a file running at 1440 for a brief period while it was loading, can confirm files that just said "HDR" were also 2160p.

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What device are you using for Netflix that allows the resolution to auto switch and you see what's being outputted?

EDIT### Just confirmed that my Samsung TV can do this, actually saw a file running at 1440 for a brief period while it was loading, can confirm files that just said "HDR" were also 2160p.
I'm not using auto resolution switching with any of my devices for Netflix. Netflix will show you whether a title is in UHD or HD on the title screen. And then with devices like my ROkus or my Sony and Philips UHD BD players, you can see what resolution is playing from the info on the top left of the screen. If you toggle that on.

For any Netflix show with Atmos audio, I use my ATV 4K boxes. If it doesn't have Atmos then I'm using my FireTv 4K sticks or TCL TV or Philips UHD BD player for Netflix Dolby Vision content. And then for HDR10, non Atmos, Netflix content I'm using those devices or my Rokus, SHield TVs, or Sony UHD BD player.

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I'm not using auto resolution switching with any of my devices for Netflix. Netflix will show you whether a title is in UHD or HD on the title screen. And then with devices like my ROkus or my Sony and Philips UHD BD players, you can see what resolution is playing from the info on the top left of the screen. If you toggle that on.

For any Netflix show with Atmos audio, I use my ATV 4K boxes. If it doesn't have Atmos then I'm using my FireTv 4K sticks or TCL TV or Philips UHD BD player for Netflix Dolby Vision content. And then for HDR10, non Atmos, Netflix content I'm using those devices or my Rokus, SHield TVs, or Sony UHD BD player.
I thought the Info (Netflix) toggle capability had gone away for the Roku's? At least I can't get it to work anymore.

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I thought the Info (Netflix) toggle capability had gone away for the Roku's? At least I can't get it to work anymore.
I have not tried it since sometime this past Winter. So that could be the case.

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Well that's the thing I'm not so sure that's the case. I see "Ultra HD 4k", and "HDR". When I select the ones marked 4k the TV doesn't go into HDR mode. Hard to say if the ones marked HDR are 4k. But to test I put the shield in 1080p mode. All the HDR versions are still there and when watched they enable HDR in 1080p. I tend to think all those just marked HDR are just 1080p.
There's like one or two 1080 HDR movies. All the rest are 4k HDR. You're using the wrong test. Plug in a keyboard and hit F8. That will tell you the bitrate.

Many of the 4k movies/shows are SDR, so if it just says 4k, you don't want it to go into HDR mode.
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