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Does anyone have problem with "Transfer over the local network"? As I did many times in the past to fix it, I click on it again but the screen goes to loading.... and never gives me the username/password screen.

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I love CEC and never found it to be finicky with a Sony 900E. My Sony TV remote is better than the Harmony hub/remote system I tried with the exception of no 'Home' button function. Unless you have to switch inputs on the TV and AVR for different viewing situations, I see little advantage of Harmony remotes (especially with the lack of an IR receiver on the Shield) over HDMI CEC.
All the hub based Harmony remotes use BT, no need for an IR receiver on the Shield. Their is no way I could have a single remote to do it all without my Harmony Elites. All my oem remotes are in cabinets with the batteries removed...LOL.

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I love CEC and never found it to be finicky with a Sony 900E. My Sony TV remote is better than the Harmony hub/remote system I tried with the exception of no 'Home' button function. Unless you have to switch inputs on the TV and AVR for different viewing situations, I see little advantage of Harmony remotes (especially with the lack of an IR receiver on the Shield) over HDMI CEC.
Same here. I use the Sony remote for the Shield, Denon, Samsung BD player. Everything works great using the Sony remote. I do use the Sony remote to switch inputs on the TV and Denon if needed.
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Uhm what do I do to transfer files from my pc?

This doesn’t work.




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They are the login info to access USB external drive on Shield.
On your PC, d-click Network icon on Desktop (if it's not there, d-click on My Computer or This PC icon on Desktop then d-click on Network.
If everything is in place, you should see the SHIELD icon under Computer section.
D-click on SHIELD icon then enter the login info (shown in your capture image above)

It's fairly simple to access, the issue for me is the transfer speed is so slow, I got about 4 Mbps (or 4 MB/s I forgot which one) even though I'm on Gigabit Ethernet and my USB external hdd is USB3.0. Also, I have SMB v3 enabled on the Shield.
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They are the login info to access USB external drive on Shield.
On your PC, d-click Network icon on Desktop (if it's not there, d-click on My Computer or This PC icon on Desktop then d-click on Network.
If everything is in place, you should see the SHIELD icon under Computer section.
D-click on SHIELD icon then enter the login info (shown in your capture image above)

It's fairly simple to access, the issue for me is the transfer speed is so slow, I got about 4 Mbps (or 4 MB/s I forgot which one) even though I'm on Gigabit Ethernet and my USB external hdd is USB3.0. Also, I have SMB v3 enabled on the Shield.

How do you enable SMB v3 on the shield to be accessible via PC?

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How do you enable SMB v3 on the shield to be accessible via PC?
I believe it's under some Add-on menu.
Can't remember exact spot.
I'll check tonight when I get home.
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yeah I have had no luck with the over the network connection. everything is hardwired minus my laptop (everything OS wise is Windows 10). So hopefully someone can make a nice step by step guide because nVidia website is useless on that subject... ~_~

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If I set my hard drive as external storage, I should be able to disconnect it and just hook it to the PC to transfer files? Would that work?

Just had my thumbstick I had attached as internal storage as my wife removed it in our move, and now the shield doesn't recognize it and it is locked and not writeable to be formatted by the computer or the shield.
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On the Shield SMB subject:
I no longer have external storage on my Shield so cant test it (I could add it but am kind of busy right now)

Shield SMB v3 support seems confusing. It looks to me that the Shield can mount external NAS storage via SMB v3 BUT the other way, a PC mounting TO Shield storage only supports SMB v1. If you dont understand that, thats OK

Windows 10 in one of the updates disabled SMB v1 but you can re enable it. Hit the search and type in "windows features" (no quotes). Go to the "turn windows features on/off" and SMB v1 will be in there. Turn it on and see if it works. You may need reboot of the PC
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If I set my hard drive as external storage, I should be able to disconnect it and just hook it to the PC to transfer files? Would that work?

Just had my thumbstick I had attached as internal storage as my wife removed it in our move, and now the shield doesn't recognize it and it is locked and not writeable to be formatted by the computer or the shield.
Internal (adopted) storage is part of the Android file system and encrypted. You cant remove and mount it elsewhere. External storage can be moved. BTW, if you want to use that thumb drive, on your PC use disk manager, delete the partition on the thumb drive, then you can format it.
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Internal (adopted) storage is part of the Android file system and encrypted. You cant remove and mount it elsewhere. External storage can be moved. BTW, if you want to use that thumb drive, on your PC use disk manager, delete the partition on the thumb drive, then you can format it.
I'll try and do that... nothing was seeming to work for me to get it writable again to format it. Will try again tonight, thanks for the help. the big external will be set as external storage.
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Can you guys still see your shield TV attached usb from your computer? Somehow, I can't see mine anymore, started a few days ago.

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I love CEC and never found it to be finicky with a Sony 900E. My Sony TV remote is better than the Harmony hub/remote system I tried with the exception of no 'Home' button function. Unless you have to switch inputs on the TV and AVR for different viewing situations, I see little advantage of Harmony remotes (especially with the lack of an IR receiver on the Shield) over HDMI CEC.
??? No need for an IR receiver since it's controlled over Bluetooth with the Harmony.
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Windows 10 in one of the updates disabled SMB v1 but you can re enable it. Hit the search and type in "windows features" (no quotes). Go to the "turn windows features on/off" and SMB v1 will be in there. Turn it on and see if it works. You may need reboot of the PC

mine was already enabled for client not for server and it didn't make a difference.

found this - it was helpful

https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...25733/#5225733

"Other than the apps own folder on the drive (i.e. \your_drive\Android\data\com.plexapp.mediaserver.s mb\) you only have full permission to the NVIDIA_SHIELD folder."

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I now remember why Kodi and I could never be friends. Trying to get rez switching to work is a futile task. Looks like the only way is to check the box that says 'Sync playback to display'. Problem with that is it breaks audio passthrough. So I get Multi PCM and no Atmos or even DD+ (I have a 2016 Samsung Ks8000). Ah well it still looks better out the TV's app anyway.

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mine was already enabled for client not for server and it didn't make a difference.

found this - it was helpful

https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...25733/#5225733

"Other than the apps own folder on the drive (i.e. \your_drive\Android\data\com.plexapp.mediaserver.s mb\) you only have full permission to the NVIDIA_SHIELD folder."

emphasis mine

FWIW, I have always been able to view and access the shield folder on my PC using SMB v1.

Also, I found an email response from NVidia regarding this back when 7.2 came out (from last December)



"SMBv3 support is provided in this release when mounting a NAS onto SHIELD. The otherway – seeing SHIELD on Windows PC is not covered yet. That support is in our roadmap for future releases."

I've sent another email asking about status of SMB v3 to PC, as well as posted on their preview forum, No response so far.

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Just for some games and some br rips. I went ahead and got a 2tb. However I am having a problem with the shield going back to the home screen while watching Netflix. Anyone else have this issue? Or point me to the post?
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Does anyone have problem with "Transfer over the local network"? As I did many times in the past to fix it, I click on it again but the screen goes to loading.... and never gives me the username/password screen.

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If you are having problems with transfer over the network activating (i.e. when you click turn on it just spins and spins), check to see if you have Plex Server enabled.
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for clarification I have not upgraded to 7.2 (nor will I) and I don't use Plex (bc it doesn't use vertical shift)
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If you are having problems with transfer over the network activating (i.e. when you click turn on it just spins and spins), check to see if you have Plex Server enabled.
I have been using Plex media server for a few years now and really happy with it. Once in awhile, they updated the server and broke this transfer files option. I just reinstalled from the old version and it works fine now. Thanks

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for clarification I have not upgraded to 7.2 (nor will I) and I don't use Plex (bc it doesn't use vertical shift)
Sorry, didnt explain myself fully. I wasn't implying you needed to actually use Plex; you just need to have the service running for the transfer over the network to function. The code that allows this to happen is wrapped up in Plex on the Shield.
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I believe it's under some Add-on menu.
Can't remember exact spot.
I'll check tonight when I get home.
I had a chance to play around last night and I have a few corrections to make
First, that "Add-on menu" thingy I mentioned early, was for Kodi 18.1, not the Shield itself. My bad.
As for SMBv3, I believe it only supports 1 direction (NAS/PC onto Shield) and with 7.2.3(?) it should be enabled by default.
For the reverse direction, still SMBv1 I assume.

Second, I said earlier that I was able to access the external USB drive that attached to the Shield. I was partly wrong.
I indeed can view it, can see it, can play music and movie on the external USB drive, however for some reason, I cannot add or create new files/folders on that drive. It's more like read-only permission. I have not figured out why.

Third, I can fully read/write the Shield internal drive with average speed of 40 Mbps or 40 MB/s (sorry can't remember, old age)
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God, last night was a pain. I got my external all setup with my media. Hooked up to shield and couldn't get it to show. I unplugged and plugged in, nothing, wiggled cord and finally it showed up... no idea why the issues or if it was just the cord. Then Shield server wouldn't load the media from the drive. Figured out I needed to go to the web app to get it to register... this is dumb. Finally movies started showing, great, a few movies loaded fine. Then all of a sudden when I clicked on movies they would just endlessly load and never play. I exited Plex and went back in and that is when the problems really started.

Now my server was showing offline, even though it was fine, on, and connected. Reading up there I guess is a glitch that causes this to happen. Almost everyone said the best solution was to factory reset the shield, which I did. After that and re setting up it seems it now works. It works well on the Shield, and my Apple TV upstairs. But dang the mobile app sucks! I am going to attribute to speeds through wifi on the shield and the phones. Will wait to really complain about it after I move into the new place and hook the shield up to wired in the AV closet. Luckily I am getting Spectrum Ultra at the new house, bye bye data caps, hello unlimited 600MBPS.
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So if you go into the Developer settings and set the "Colorimetry feature" to On, what HMDI settings should you chose in the main menu?
I turned on the feature but it still was only outputting either the Rec.709 or 2020 depending on what HDMI setting I choose.
I thought turning on the "Colorimetry feature" it would override all the other HDMI settings.

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My understanding of the colorimetry setting is if turned on, an app can tell the Shield to switch down to rec709 if the content is rec709 and your HDMI setting is BT2020. Prior to this, rec709 would work on a bt2020 setting, but it used tone mapping and was not perfect. And a couple years back, rec709 wouldn't work at all in a bt2020 mode. Now it switches to an actual rec709 mode. But from what I understand, the shield never switches to a higher mode than what is set in the HDMI settings. So if you are set to rec709, bt2020 will be blown out even with colorimetry on.

So you should set your HDMI to the highest resolution/frame rate/color depth/luminance you can and let the app tell it what to use.

So, for example, set your HDMI on the shield to 4k, 60p, bt2020, 10biit, 4:2:0 (techically the highest you can get because of 18gbps limitations), and if you send a 4k 24p rec709 8 bit video, it will play at 4k, 24p, rec709 8 bit. Then if you play Netflix 4k HDR, it will switch to the 60p BT2020 setting automatically. No need to touch the HDMI modes, and the closest thing to a "set it and forget it" mode. But it will ONLY go down, not UP.

This is important to understand: If you are set to rec709 in HDMI settings, nothing will switch up to bt2020. An app can play 24p, 23.976, 30, 59.94, or 60p if you have the HDMI set to 60p, but if you have it set to 30p, it will only scale down, it won't play 60p content (it will try but fail and you will get more like 1 frame every 3 seconds). 10 bit color on 8 bit settings will result in banding, but 8 bit color on 10 bit settings works fine.

Resolution doesn't seem to work that way though because the shield will upscale all content to 4k if you are in a 4k HDMI mode, so you can't play 1080p content on a 4k mode and get 1080p output. If you set the Shield HDMI to 1080p, apps like Netflix won't even display 4k content because it will think you can't play it, and from what I can tell, 4k will either downscale or not play at all. This is really only an issue if you want to use an external upscaler for 1080p content. In this case you will have to switch the HDMI settings manually each time. Not an issue for most, but some feel the shield's upscaling isn't good. Personally I think it does just fine, but I also haven't compared it to something like a Lumagen Pro.

Keep in mind, this is all restricted by your display. If your display cannot do over 10gbps, you won't even have the option to go over 4k, bt2020, 10 bit 30p. This is a problem for 60p content, even 1080p 60p content. I had an Epson projector for a while that was 10gbps max HDMI, and if I ran a BT2020 HDMI setting on the Shield, I couldn't watch PSVue because it streams at 60p. However, Netflix seemed to switch to 24p or 30p streams just fine. Now that I have a JVC with 18gbps HDMI, I can set it at 4k bt2020 10bit 60p and everything works perfectly, and even Netflix streams some content at 60p.

Don't just assume the auto HDMI mode will go to the max, if it can't detect your display (and cables) support 18gbps, it will go to the most compatible mode, which is 4k, 60p, rec709 8 bit for 10gbps displays. So 10 bit sources will have banding, and bt2020 will be blown out. Sometimes you need to set your other devices to advanced hdmi in order for 18gbps to work.

Finally, in EVERY case, it is up to the app to do the switching, so if you are set at 4k, bt2020, 60p, 10 bit and your source is 24p but your display says it is playing at 60p, then your app is not written to tell the shield to switch to 24p. All my apps tell the shield the right framerate, color depth, and bit depth, so I have had no issues. I run Plex, Netflix, Amazon, and PSVue. I can't personally speak for Kodi, but I hear it switches the shield just fine.
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But dang the mobile app sucks! I am going to attribute to speeds through wifi on the shield and the phones. Will wait to really complain about it after I move into the new place and hook the shield up to wired in the AV closet. Luckily I am getting Spectrum Ultra at the new house, bye bye data caps, hello unlimited 600MBPS.
This could also be a transcoding issue, it is one thing to use the Shield for a Plex server when direct playing, but transcoding takes some horsepower.

You could tell pretty easily, just run the browser version on a PC that is plugged into your network, and try it direct and with different levels of transcoding. If they all play flawlessly, then it is probably your wifi, or possibly even your upload rate if you are external to your network. But if it gets glitchy when you set your player to a lower bitrate, then it is just your shield not being able to transcode fast enough.
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Just a quick update regarding the SMB v3 issue. Just heard back from NVidia support and they confirmed that as of the latest release, shield to PC via SMB v3 is still not enabled. No time frame on when it will be enabled, but supposedly still on the radar.
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I wonder if we will get an update to Android Q/10 once its out, I cant recall if they said that Android P(pie)/9 was the last update? or if there is going to be continued support? I hope we get Android Q/10 because that has some amazing changes in privacy and security which would be a nice addition to the Shield.

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My understanding of the colorimetry setting is if turned on, an app can tell the Shield to switch down to rec709 if the content is rec709 and your HDMI setting is BT2020. Prior to this, rec709 would work on a bt2020 setting, but it used tone mapping and was not perfect. And a couple years back, rec709 wouldn't work at all in a bt2020 mode. Now it switches to an actual rec709 mode. But from what I understand, the shield never switches to a higher mode than what is set in the HDMI settings. So if you are set to rec709, bt2020 will be blown out even with colorimetry on.

So you should set your HDMI to the highest resolution/frame rate/color depth/luminance you can and let the app tell it what to use.

So, for example, set your HDMI on the shield to 4k, 60p, bt2020, 10biit, 4:2:0 (techically the highest you can get because of 18gbps limitations), and if you send a 4k 24p rec709 8 bit video, it will play at 4k, 24p, rec709 8 bit. Then if you play Netflix 4k HDR, it will switch to the 60p BT2020 setting automatically. No need to touch the HDMI modes, and the closest thing to a "set it and forget it" mode. But it will ONLY go down, not UP.

This is important to understand: If you are set to rec709 in HDMI settings, nothing will switch up to bt2020. An app can play 24p, 23.976, 30, 59.94, or 60p if you have the HDMI set to 60p, but if you have it set to 30p, it will only scale down, it won't play 60p content (it will try but fail and you will get more like 1 frame every 3 seconds). 10 bit color on 8 bit settings will result in banding, but 8 bit color on 10 bit settings works fine.

Resolution doesn't seem to work that way though because the shield will upscale all content to 4k if you are in a 4k HDMI mode, so you can't play 1080p content on a 4k mode and get 1080p output. If you set the Shield HDMI to 1080p, apps like Netflix won't even display 4k content because it will think you can't play it, and from what I can tell, 4k will either downscale or not play at all. This is really only an issue if you want to use an external upscaler for 1080p content. In this case you will have to switch the HDMI settings manually each time. Not an issue for most, but some feel the shield's upscaling isn't good. Personally I think it does just fine, but I also haven't compared it to something like a Lumagen Pro.

Keep in mind, this is all restricted by your display. If your display cannot do over 10gbps, you won't even have the option to go over 4k, bt2020, 10 bit 30p. This is a problem for 60p content, even 1080p 60p content. I had an Epson projector for a while that was 10gbps max HDMI, and if I ran a BT2020 HDMI setting on the Shield, I couldn't watch PSVue because it streams at 60p. However, Netflix seemed to switch to 24p or 30p streams just fine. Now that I have a JVC with 18gbps HDMI, I can set it at 4k bt2020 10bit 60p and everything works perfectly, and even Netflix streams some content at 60p.

Don't just assume the auto HDMI mode will go to the max, if it can't detect your display (and cables) support 18gbps, it will go to the most compatible mode, which is 4k, 60p, rec709 8 bit for 10gbps displays. So 10 bit sources will have banding, and bt2020 will be blown out. Sometimes you need to set your other devices to advanced hdmi in order for 18gbps to work.

Finally, in EVERY case, it is up to the app to do the switching, so if you are set at 4k, bt2020, 60p, 10 bit and your source is 24p but your display says it is playing at 60p, then your app is not written to tell the shield to switch to 24p. All my apps tell the shield the right framerate, color depth, and bit depth, so I have had no issues. I run Plex, Netflix, Amazon, and PSVue. I can't personally speak for Kodi, but I hear it switches the shield just fine.
So I set my shield to HDMI on the shield to "4k, 60p, bt2020, 10bit, 4:2:0 (technically the highest you can get because of 18gbps limitations)" and colorimetry on as suggested by dkersten. My TV is a Sony xbr75-x940e with 18gbps hdmi cable and to my great surprise the shield picture on netflix is much better than the recommended setting 4k, 59.94, rec709. Not having time to really tested it to compare to the picture on the Apple 4k tv but much appreciated and thank you dkersten for sharing. Up until now the Apple 4k tv picture is better than the shield picture on netflix and amazon video.

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