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??? No need for an IR receiver since it's controlled over Bluetooth with the Harmony.
Um, I know that. I didn't say you need ir, but I still wan't it for remotes because bt is a pita. HDMI CEC has saved me many headaches. I wish the xbox supported it. I don't like the cheaper harmony remotes button design, and the more expensive ones cost more than the Shield itself. The Sony remote for the 2009 xbr9 TV has a better design and button operation than any remote I've seen.
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My understanding of the colorimetry setting is if turned on, an app can tell the Shield to switch down to rec709 if the content is rec709 and your HDMI setting is BT2020. Prior to this, rec709 would work on a bt2020 setting, but it used tone mapping and was not perfect. And a couple years back, rec709 wouldn't work at all in a bt2020 mode. Now it switches to an actual rec709 mode. But from what I understand, the shield never switches to a higher mode than what is set in the HDMI settings. So if you are set to rec709, bt2020 will be blown out even with colorimetry on.

So you should set your HDMI to the highest resolution/frame rate/color depth/luminance you can and let the app tell it what to use.

So, for example, set your HDMI on the shield to 4k, 60p, bt2020, 10biit, 4:2:0 (techically the highest you can get because of 18gbps limitations), and if you send a 4k 24p rec709 8 bit video, it will play at 4k, 24p, rec709 8 bit. Then if you play Netflix 4k HDR, it will switch to the 60p BT2020 setting automatically. No need to touch the HDMI modes, and the closest thing to a "set it and forget it" mode. But it will ONLY go down, not UP.

This is important to understand: If you are set to rec709 in HDMI settings, nothing will switch up to bt2020. An app can play 24p, 23.976, 30, 59.94, or 60p if you have the HDMI set to 60p, but if you have it set to 30p, it will only scale down, it won't play 60p content (it will try but fail and you will get more like 1 frame every 3 seconds). 10 bit color on 8 bit settings will result in banding, but 8 bit color on 10 bit settings works fine.

Resolution doesn't seem to work that way though because the shield will upscale all content to 4k if you are in a 4k HDMI mode, so you can't play 1080p content on a 4k mode and get 1080p output. If you set the Shield HDMI to 1080p, apps like Netflix won't even display 4k content because it will think you can't play it, and from what I can tell, 4k will either downscale or not play at all. This is really only an issue if you want to use an external upscaler for 1080p content. In this case you will have to switch the HDMI settings manually each time. Not an issue for most, but some feel the shield's upscaling isn't good. Personally I think it does just fine, but I also haven't compared it to something like a Lumagen Pro.

Keep in mind, this is all restricted by your display. If your display cannot do over 10gbps, you won't even have the option to go over 4k, bt2020, 10 bit 30p. This is a problem for 60p content, even 1080p 60p content. I had an Epson projector for a while that was 10gbps max HDMI, and if I ran a BT2020 HDMI setting on the Shield, I couldn't watch PSVue because it streams at 60p. However, Netflix seemed to switch to 24p or 30p streams just fine. Now that I have a JVC with 18gbps HDMI, I can set it at 4k bt2020 10bit 60p and everything works perfectly, and even Netflix streams some content at 60p.

Don't just assume the auto HDMI mode will go to the max, if it can't detect your display (and cables) support 18gbps, it will go to the most compatible mode, which is 4k, 60p, rec709 8 bit for 10gbps displays. So 10 bit sources will have banding, and bt2020 will be blown out. Sometimes you need to set your other devices to advanced hdmi in order for 18gbps to work.

Finally, in EVERY case, it is up to the app to do the switching, so if you are set at 4k, bt2020, 60p, 10 bit and your source is 24p but your display says it is playing at 60p, then your app is not written to tell the shield to switch to 24p. All my apps tell the shield the right framerate, color depth, and bit depth, so I have had no issues. I run Plex, Netflix, Amazon, and PSVue. I can't personally speak for Kodi, but I hear it switches the shield just fine.

+1. This is pretty much dead-nuts right, based on my own experiences and comparisons (early-adopter, had a Shield in my living room for about 3.5 years now, and liked it so much I've got one on almost every tv in the house now)... Just wanted to throw out the +1 for any new Shield owners out there, this is very good guidance for both the "how" and the "why" for Shield setup.



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So I set my shield to HDMI on the shield to "4k, 60p, bt2020, 10bit, 4:2:0 (technically the highest you can get because of 18gbps limitations)" and colorimetry on as suggested by dkersten. My TV is a Sony xbr75-x940e with 18gbps hdmi cable and to my great surprise the shield picture on netflix is much better than the recommended setting 4k, 59.94, rec709. Not having time to really tested it to compare to the picture on the Apple 4k tv but much appreciated and thank you dkersten for sharing. Up until now the Apple 4k tv picture is better than the shield picture on netflix and amazon video.

I've also got a x940E in my main living room, and have a Shield, ATV4K, and OPPO UDP-203 hooked up to it for content... the AppleTV does a *couple* of things *a little bit* better than the Shield, so it gets some use in my house. But the Shield is just a much more versatile, capable, "swiss-army-knife," and the vast majority of the living room usage in my household is via it. Wife prefers it. Kids prefer it. I prefer it. They're great!
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Um, I know that. I didn't say you need ir, but I still wan't it for remotes because bt is a pita. HDMI CEC has saved me many headaches. I wish the xbox supported it. I don't like the cheaper harmony remotes button design, and the more expensive ones cost more than the Shield itself. The Sony remote for the 2009 xbr9 TV has a better design and button operation than any remote I've seen.

Wow really? After using a BT remote I can't stand IR. Never having to point it at the TV. Pushing the button while it's in my pocket or I'm in another room. Love it.


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Wow really? After using a BT remote I can't stand IR. Never having to point it at the TV. Pushing the button while it's in my pocket or I'm in another room. Love it.


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Agree 100%, but different strokes for different folks as they say.
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Um, I know that. I didn't say you need ir, but I still wan't it for remotes because bt is a pita. HDMI CEC has saved me many headaches. I wish the xbox supported it. I don't like the cheaper harmony remotes button design, and the more expensive ones cost more than the Shield itself. The Sony remote for the 2009 xbr9 TV has a better design and button operation than any remote I've seen.
I've had zero issues with BT and my two Shields and two Harmony remotes and Hubs. They have been controlling my Shields over BT with no issues.

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What people fail to mention is that the Harmony Hub is the best way to control Kodi. While with CEC you can do the bare essential commands, with the hub you can add a keyboard to the remote as well as macros, long key presses, etc.
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One of the major reasons why I prefer the Netflix add-on for Kodi compared to the Shield's native Netflix App



This is The Last Jedi using the Netflix Add-on for Kodi. Notice the red background.


This is The Last Jedi using the native Netflix app. Again, notice the red background.


It's not just about Atmos, but image quality as well. Refresh rate adjustment, resolution adjustment, as well regarding the Netflix Add-on for Kodi
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I have no idea what we are looking at - those images look 99% identical to me


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I have no idea what we are looking at - those images look 99% identical to me


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He is talking about the color banding. See the upper right of the picture and you can clearly make out the color banding in the red. That said, I don't see the same issue using the NetFlix app on either of my Shields viewing on my LG OLED65B7 or on my Optoma 4k HDR laser projector (UHZ65).
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Anyone else done any gaming lately on Shield using the GeForce cloud computers (suppossedly 1070-equivalent) notice particularly (worse than before) Picture Quality?

I checked it on my 58" 1080p plasma and it looks pretty solid... but on my 75" HDR set it's like hot garbage right now... and I don't think it looked this bad before.

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My understanding of the colorimetry setting is if turned on, an app can tell the Shield to switch down to rec709 if the content is rec709 and your HDMI setting is BT2020. Prior to this, rec709 would work on a bt2020 setting, but it used tone mapping and was not perfect. And a couple years back, rec709 wouldn't work at all in a bt2020 mode. Now it switches to an actual rec709 mode. But from what I understand, the shield never switches to a higher mode than what is set in the HDMI settings. So if you are set to rec709, bt2020 will be blown out even with colorimetry on.

So you should set your HDMI to the highest resolution/frame rate/color depth/luminance you can and let the app tell it what to use.

So, for example, set your HDMI on the shield to 4k, 60p, bt2020, 10biit, 4:2:0 (techically the highest you can get because of 18gbps limitations), and if you send a 4k 24p rec709 8 bit video, it will play at 4k, 24p, rec709 8 bit. Then if you play Netflix 4k HDR, it will switch to the 60p BT2020 setting automatically. No need to touch the HDMI modes, and the closest thing to a "set it and forget it" mode. But it will ONLY go down, not UP.

This is important to understand: If you are set to rec709 in HDMI settings, nothing will switch up to bt2020. An app can play 24p, 23.976, 30, 59.94, or 60p if you have the HDMI set to 60p, but if you have it set to 30p, it will only scale down, it won't play 60p content (it will try but fail and you will get more like 1 frame every 3 seconds). 10 bit color on 8 bit settings will result in banding, but 8 bit color on 10 bit settings works fine.

Resolution doesn't seem to work that way though because the shield will upscale all content to 4k if you are in a 4k HDMI mode, so you can't play 1080p content on a 4k mode and get 1080p output. If you set the Shield HDMI to 1080p, apps like Netflix won't even display 4k content because it will think you can't play it, and from what I can tell, 4k will either downscale or not play at all. This is really only an issue if you want to use an external upscaler for 1080p content. In this case you will have to switch the HDMI settings manually each time. Not an issue for most, but some feel the shield's upscaling isn't good. Personally I think it does just fine, but I also haven't compared it to something like a Lumagen Pro.

Keep in mind, this is all restricted by your display. If your display cannot do over 10gbps, you won't even have the option to go over 4k, bt2020, 10 bit 30p. This is a problem for 60p content, even 1080p 60p content. I had an Epson projector for a while that was 10gbps max HDMI, and if I ran a BT2020 HDMI setting on the Shield, I couldn't watch PSVue because it streams at 60p. However, Netflix seemed to switch to 24p or 30p streams just fine. Now that I have a JVC with 18gbps HDMI, I can set it at 4k bt2020 10bit 60p and everything works perfectly, and even Netflix streams some content at 60p.

Don't just assume the auto HDMI mode will go to the max, if it can't detect your display (and cables) support 18gbps, it will go to the most compatible mode, which is 4k, 60p, rec709 8 bit for 10gbps displays. So 10 bit sources will have banding, and bt2020 will be blown out. Sometimes you need to set your other devices to advanced hdmi in order for 18gbps to work.

Finally, in EVERY case, it is up to the app to do the switching, so if you are set at 4k, bt2020, 60p, 10 bit and your source is 24p but your display says it is playing at 60p, then your app is not written to tell the shield to switch to 24p. All my apps tell the shield the right framerate, color depth, and bit depth, so I have had no issues. I run Plex, Netflix, Amazon, and PSVue. I can't personally speak for Kodi, but I hear it switches the shield just fine.
Wouldnt you want to set it to 4:2:2 12 bit? This is what the shield outputs at 24fps for hdr content, and as per the chart I believe mark swift posts, its free of stutter and banding.

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Wouldnt you want to set it to 4:2:2 12 bit? This is what the shield outputs at 24fps for hdr content, and as per the chart I believe mark swift posts, its free of stutter and banding.
I believe only TVs that support Dolby Video have 12 bit panels. Regular HDR is 10 bit

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I've had zero issues with BT and my two Shields and two Harmony remotes and Hubs. They have been controlling my Shields over BT with no issues.

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Then why does the harmony hub thread on the Nividia Shield forums have 27 pages of help messages if it's so convenient?
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Then why does the harmony hub thread on the Nividia Shield forums have 27 pages of help messages if it's so convenient?
Because people that have problems seek out places like online forums to get help, naturally. The vast majority of people that don't have problems, don't. It is problematic to make inferences based on what you see in forums because it tells you nothing about how big the other side of the equation is ie. the number of people that don't have problems. The population of online forums is self selected so suffers from selection bias.

All that said, what is certainly true about Harmony remotes is that the most difficult thing is the initial setup. Particularly for those that have never used a Harmony remote before. The setup does have it's quirks and idiosyncrasies that take some time to get used to for sure. Once correctly setup their are normally very few problems. It has been my experience that guests that come to our house can use our Harmony Elite remotes to easily operate all of our equipment with no instructions since all the buttons and touch screen functions do exactly what they say. Frankly their would be no way they could get all of my equipment to work correctly if they had to do it using the oem remotes...
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Wouldnt you want to set it to 4:2:2 12 bit? This is what the shield outputs at 24fps for hdr content, and as per the chart I believe mark swift posts, its free of stutter and banding.
Two reasons this wouldn't work for me for the content I watch on my shield:

1) Netflix outputs some 4k content at 60p, so hard setting to 24p limits you to either not getting the content, or not playing it incorrectly. However, when I would set mine to 30p, I couldn't tell if the shield would allow Netflix to play the content at 30p, or if it just wasn't there. Now that I am set at 60p, I find some content playing at 60p.

2) PSVue plays at 10 bit 60p (1080p). So while you wouldn't get banding with PSVue at this setting, it will play at about 1 frame every three seconds because it can't effectively downconvert to 24 or 30 frames per second. PSVue is 1080p, but like I said, at a 4k HDMI setting, you can't have the app switch to 1080p, it will automatically upscale, and you can't go up in other settings, so you are limited to 24hz.

While 4:2:2 chroma subsampling has less compression than 4:2:0 and of course 12 bit color depth has more colors than 10 bit, I am unaware of any source you can play on the Shield that would need it. UHD is 4:2:0, as is pretty much all video content, and 10 bit is the max I am aware of as well. If you have a console or a PC to hook up, you won't be running through the shield anyway, so while those sources can use 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 with higher color depth, that is between that device and your display.

If your only source is 24p movies, then your setting works, but you gain nothing and restrict yourself to 24 and 23.976 content.
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Then why does the harmony hub thread on the Nividia Shield forums have 27 pages of help messages if it's so convenient?
Sometimes pairing the harmony hub with the shield (or other BT devices) can be a pain and not work like you would think. I have had to refer to forums for help myself in getting this working. Plus the default shield BT remote settings on Harmony don't include all possible commands, so you can add things like a BT keyboard emulator and use this to assign keystrokes through the BT interface to do things you can't do with the shield remote. This is the stuff that is documented in those forums.

If you do everything right the first time, pairing goes smooth and it just works, just as well if not better than the shield remote. And no USB dongle is required.

Side Note: A few weeks back I mistakenly hit the channel up button on the Harmony while watching PSVue on the shield... and it changed channels, just like a cable TV box. This surprised me because A) there is no channel button on the shield remote, so I didn't expect this button to do anything, and B) I was unaware that PSVue supported a channel up/down function. Perhaps it is something you can do with the shield game controller... ? Anyway, it was really cool to find that, I miss just sitting and flipping channels...
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What people fail to mention is that the Harmony Hub is the best way to control Kodi. While with CEC you can do the bare essential commands, with the hub you can add a keyboard to the remote as well as macros, long key presses, etc.
You can do the same thing with a $17 FLIRC and a $20 JP1 remote.
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You can do the same thing with a $17 FLIRC and a $20 JP1 remote.
No you can't. There are certain things you can't map without using bluetooth ability- plus it's easier to do macros and other things with the Harmony. I know, I have a FLIRC and have used it with my Shield.

I picked up a used Harmony remote and hub off eBay for <$30 shopped so it's not like they're excessively expensive anymore.

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No you can't. There are certain things you can't map without using bluetooth ability- plus it's easier to do macros and other things with the Harmony. I know, I have a FLIRC and have used it with my Shield.

I picked up a used Harmony remote and hub off eBay for <$30 shopped so it's not like they're excessively expensive anymore.
If you need bluetooth ability and you got yours for less than $30, you really can't beat it! I haven't run across anything I can't do with IR and prefer the flexibility of being able to program the remote myself vs. being constrained by Harmony's web interface. To each their own.
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I believe only TVs that support Dolby Video have 12 bit panels. Regular HDR is 10 bit
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Then why does the harmony hub thread on the Nividia Shield forums have 27 pages of help messages if it's so convenient?
No idea. I have two Shields and two Harmony Hubs. I've never had any issues with the Harmony Hubs/remotes controlling my Shields.

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The harmony hub tends to have connectivity issues with both bluetooth and wifi at times. Probably more people complaining about the loss of bluetooth syncing than anything.

I never really had much problem with it myself other than an occasional lag in response, mostly from the crowded 2.4 wifi band. I'm sure they'll eventually update the hub with AC wifi (and maybe even wifi6) connectivity.

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Two reasons this wouldn't work for me for the content I watch on my shield:

1) Netflix outputs some 4k content at 60p, so hard setting to 24p limits you to either not getting the content, or not playing it incorrectly. However, when I would set mine to 30p, I couldn't tell if the shield would allow Netflix to play the content at 30p, or if it just wasn't there. Now that I am set at 60p, I find some content playing at 60p.

2) PSVue plays at 10 bit 60p (1080p). So while you wouldn't get banding with PSVue at this setting, it will play at about 1 frame every three seconds because it can't effectively downconvert to 24 or 30 frames per second. PSVue is 1080p, but like I said, at a 4k HDMI setting, you can't have the app switch to 1080p, it will automatically upscale, and you can't go up in other settings, so you are limited to 24hz.

While 4:2:2 chroma subsampling has less compression than 4:2:0 and of course 12 bit color depth has more colors than 10 bit, I am unaware of any source you can play on the Shield that would need it. UHD is 4:2:0, as is pretty much all video content, and 10 bit is the max I am aware of as well. If you have a console or a PC to hook up, you won't be running through the shield anyway, so while those sources can use 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 with higher color depth, that is between that device and your display.

If your only source is 24p movies, then your setting works, but you gain nothing and restrict yourself to 24 and 23.976 content.
I have mine set to 2160p 60hz 4:2:2, isn't that also in spec? I thought 4:2:2 12 bit was supported at 60hz and 23.976, i believe thats what a ps4 pro uses for example.

I use mrmc to playback local 4k files and it can switch framerates dynamically and it can also output source direct, so 1080p/24 blu-rays it will also output that at proper framerates and resolution.

I dont use netflix on the shield, but I am unsure why 2160p 60hz 4:2:2 would not work for you? I know its higher bandwidth, but I have had no such issues, markswift on this forum also mentioned the shield correctly processes 4:2:2 12 bit properly at 23.967 and wont cause banding or microstutter.

Maybe its just down to us using it differently, although I might not be understanding the hesitation for you to use it over 4:2:0. I use netflix on my apple tv which has built in framerate switching for all app's such as netflix, maybe the shield outside of MRMC does not have this ability? My shield basically plays movies and tv shows from plex and thats about it.

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I have mine set to 2160p 60hz 4:2:2, isn't that also in spec? I thought 4:2:2 12 bit was supported at 60hz and 23.976, i believe thats what a ps4 pro uses for example.

I use mrmc to playback local 4k files and it can switch framerates dynamically and it can also output source direct, so 1080p/24 blu-rays it will also output that at proper framerates and resolution.

I dont use netflix on the shield, but I am unsure why 2160p 60hz 4:2:2 would not work for you? I know its higher bandwidth, but I have had no such issues, markswift on this forum also mentioned the shield correctly processes 4:2:2 12 bit properly at 23.967 and wont cause banding or microstutter.

Maybe its just down to us using it differently, although I might not be understanding the hesitation for you to use it over 4:2:0. I use netflix on my apple tv which has built in framerate switching for all app's such as netflix, maybe the shield outside of MRMC does not have this ability? My shield basically plays movies and tv shows from plex and thats about it.
It's a little fuzzy, I have seen charts that state that 4k 60hz 4:2:2 12 bit requires 20gbps, but I have seen charts that say it is supported at 18gbps. The charts that show it is supported at 18gbps are ambiguous though, showing that 50/60hz is supported, and from what I have seen, 50hz is supported at 12 bit 4:2:2, not 60hz. I honestly don't know though.

If you have 12 bit content and a display that supports 12bit color, then it would make sense to run at 12 bit 4:2:2, assuming it is supported at 18gbps at 60hz. I have nothing to gain from it, and I am unaware of any 12bit displays, and in HDMI 2.0b, 10 bit is 4:2:0 by specification. (I don't get the option for 12 bit 4:2:2 60hz 4k on my shield with my JVC RS2000 projector as the display). But any setting that limits you to 30 or 24 hz is going to be a problem for some apps because they cannot make the shield go to a higher framerate, only lower. Avoid that and you are fine.
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I have mine set to 2160p 60hz 4:2:2, isn't that also in spec? I thought 4:2:2 12 bit was supported at 60hz and 23.976, i believe thats what a ps4 pro uses for example.

I use mrmc to playback local 4k files and it can switch framerates dynamically and it can also output source direct, so 1080p/24 blu-rays it will also output that at proper framerates and resolution.

I dont use netflix on the shield, but I am unsure why 2160p 60hz 4:2:2 would not work for you? I know its higher bandwidth, but I have had no such issues, markswift on this forum also mentioned the shield correctly processes 4:2:2 12 bit properly at 23.967 and wont cause banding or microstutter.

Maybe its just down to us using it differently, although I might not be understanding the hesitation for you to use it over 4:2:0. I use netflix on my apple tv which has built in framerate switching for all app's such as netflix, maybe the shield outside of MRMC does not have this ability? My shield basically plays movies and tv shows from plex and thats about it.

I might be oversimplying or missing some key underlying point, but here's the way I think about it:
- Whenever possible, I like to have my Source devices (like a Shield) output the "native" content specs (1080p vs. 2160p, HDR vs. SDR, etc). So I have the advanced colorimetry settings on so that Shield bounces from HDR to SDR output as appropriate, and I have Framerate switching settings enabled in apps like Plex that support it to get me from 60 Hz to 24 Hz, etc.


The only "native 12-bit-color content" I know of is Dolby Vision content, which the Shield doesn't support... so isn't the only thing that's going to happen here (unless I'm missing something big, in which case this is a great opportunity for me to learn...) is you access some HDR10 content via an app like Netflix/Amazon/Plex/Kodi, which contains (natively) 10-bit color info, and the Shield is going to upsample/upscale/upconvert (whatever) that to 12-bit color and output that to the TV? I'm not sure I appreciate the value to having the shield dial HDR10 content up to 12-bit color... unless, as you ended there, your use-case is just different than mine and you do something I don't know about/understand...
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I might be oversimplying or missing some key underlying point, but here's the way I think about it:
- Whenever possible, I like to have my Source devices (like a Shield) output the "native" content specs (1080p vs. 2160p, HDR vs. SDR, etc). So I have the advanced colorimetry settings on so that Shield bounces from HDR to SDR output as appropriate, and I have Framerate switching settings enabled in apps like Plex that support it to get me from 60 Hz to 24 Hz, etc.


The only "native 12-bit-color content" I know of is Dolby Vision content, which the Shield doesn't support... so isn't the only thing that's going to happen here (unless I'm missing something big, in which case this is a great opportunity for me to learn...) is you access some HDR10 content via an app like Netflix/Amazon/Plex/Kodi, which contains (natively) 10-bit color info, and the Shield is going to upsample/upscale/upconvert (whatever) that to 12-bit color and output that to the TV? I'm not sure I appreciate the value to having the shield dial HDR10 content up to 12-bit color... unless, as you ended there, your use-case is just different than mine and you do something I don't know about/understand...
You don’t have to have colorimetry on to have the Shield do the SDR/HDR switch. You need to have it on if you want it to switch color spaces, so BT.2020 to BT.720 as an example. For instance in my home theater I have my Shield set to BT.2020 with colorimetry set to off. It normally runs in SDR but when I play HDR content it switches to HDR. For some displays it is an issue due to color space mapping so in that case you would need to have colorimetry on so you get the appropriate color space switching.

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Then why does the harmony hub thread on the Nividia Shield forums have 27 pages of help messages if it's so convenient?
Its been excellent for me, highly recommend it. Setup could be better, but once its working I have had little to no issues.
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Very few issues with the Harmony Hub and Shield for me as well... it used to require a re-pair after each Shield software update, but it hasn't been an issue with the last couple of Shield updates.

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I also do not have any ongoing problems using the Harmony Smart Control w/Hub. I have two 2017 Shields and two Smart control w/Hub remotes. I switched from the Harmony 600 which was a pain ( 7.7v software)! 69 bux apiece for the Smart control was a bargain for what it does!! The setup was relatively easy BUT you must take your time or else it will become time consuming!
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I started out with a Harmony 880 IR remote back in 2008. By 2014 I upgraded to a Harmony Ultimate/Hub. In the summer of 2015 I purchased a Shield (with IR) and it's been pretty rock solid ever since.

Although I like the concept of CEC control with multiple devices, with a Harmony remote, this service needs to be turned off. My last fight with CEC was when I purchased an Xbox One X.

My Oppo 203 and Shield are connected to HDMI Out 2 of my Marantz receiver, and into HDMI Input 2 of my Sony Display. My Xbox is connected to HDMI Out 1 of my AVR to HDMI In 3/Arc of my Sony Display.

I was not aware at the time that I accidentally set CEC to "on" in my AVR, so when I want to watch the Shield or Oppo, the TV would switch to Input 2 on the TV, then automatically switch to HDMI 3. I fought this for about 3 days until I noticed that CEC was turned on in my AVR. Once it was turned off, everything was back to the way I wanted it.
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