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post #10591 of 12100 Old 06-19-2019, 08:34 AM
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Looks like others are able to get it to work fine with Shield. Maybe revisit your setup. Enable CEC for volume? Reviews mention pressing a button (the one that looks like a mouse?) to activate mouse mode and some youtube setup videos.
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Thanks, CEC is enabled; the Shield remote controls the AVR perfectly. The new remote does volume/mute but on the shield, not the AVR. And the mouse button on the new remote does a mouse toggle, not a gyro "air mouse".

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Speculation from TechRadar indicates the new Shield TV will launch in November, and may include Google Stadia.

https://www.techradar.com/amp/news/n...adia-at-launch
I would recommend posting the original reporting instead so you aren't reading the speculation.

https://www.thedigitalfix.com/gaming...eld-tv-stadia/

"What is interesting is that one person we've spoken to has told us that this is being developed to launch alongside Stadia in November. The idea being that it'll offer both the Stadia streaming experience alongside the gaming and TV streaming options that the current Shield offers. The new Shield will also feature a more streamlined controller and more advanced remote. A new controller would make a lot of sense - the existing Shield controller works well enough but it's not the most ergonomic of gaming peripherals.

Similarly, we hear that there will be a controller-free model and that the new console will support Google's own Stadia controller. Our contact suggests that Nvidia are going to position the new Nvidia Shield as your central Stadia supporting entertainment hub.

The Nvidia Shield has offered streamed gaming for a while using your gaming PC as a source, so it's extremely logical for Nvidia to look to both embrace and capitalise on all of the Stadia talk. We're expecting more info to come soon - if Nvidia can bring on board a few more TV streaming partners they could well end up creating a real alternative platform for those who would rather stream their games than own them."
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I would recommend posting the original reporting instead so you aren't reading the speculation.

https://www.thedigitalfix.com/gaming...eld-tv-stadia/

"What is interesting is that one person we've spoken to has told us that this is being developed to launch alongside Stadia in November. The idea being that it'll offer both the Stadia streaming experience alongside the gaming and TV streaming options that the current Shield offers. The new Shield will also feature a more streamlined controller and more advanced remote. A new controller would make a lot of sense - the existing Shield controller works well enough but it's not the most ergonomic of gaming peripherals.

Similarly, we hear that there will be a controller-free model and that the new console will support Google's own Stadia controller. Our contact suggests that Nvidia are going to position the new Nvidia Shield as your central Stadia supporting entertainment hub.

The Nvidia Shield has offered streamed gaming for a while using your gaming PC as a source, so it's extremely logical for Nvidia to look to both embrace and capitalise on all of the Stadia talk. We're expecting more info to come soon - if Nvidia can bring on board a few more TV streaming partners they could well end up creating a real alternative platform for those who would rather stream their games than own them."
That all makes a lot of sense, especially with Nvidia being a gaming company. Hopefully that doesn't mean the HT crowd gets left in the dust, and they release it with the same feature set.

I hope they are listening, general consensus seems to be that the Shield is only missing a couple features that would make it complete.
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All I want is a f/w update to improve HDR and color space in case I upgrade my Plasma to a nice 4k display one day. Otherwise I'm fine with the current model. I have 7 of them running now and really don't need or want to lay out a bunch more cash for new hardware. If at all this would only be a necessity with an upgraded HDTV and AVR.
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Doesn't Stadia compete with Nvidias streaming service?

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All I want is a f/w update to improve HDR and color space in case I upgrade my Plasma to a nice 4k display one day. Otherwise I'm fine with the current model. I have 7 of them running now and really don't need or want to lay out a bunch more cash for new hardware. If at all this would only be a necessity with an upgraded HDTV and AVR.
Oh yeah if your rocking 1080p you are golden with the Shield. Did you ever end up jumping back on Spectrum?
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Doesn't Stadia compete with Nvidias streaming service?

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It does, although it has some advantages, like being able to stream games at 4k/60Hz with HDR (but you have to pay for that).

I assume Nvidia will have to upgrade GeForce Now and charge for it to compete at some point.

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Doesn't Stadia compete with Nvidias streaming service?

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Maybe, except Geforce Now is free, so I don't see how Google's service can hurt Nvidia's bottom line especially if Stadia becomes compatible with the Shield. That might be why Nvidia is talking about an update to the Shield. There could be a need for newer hardware to be able to use Stadia.
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I intend to use the Roku only for XoD/HBO streaming, but is there any other advantage of the Ultra over the Shield that I should be aware of?
Not really. The only thing I can think of is YouTube HDR support. Beyond that, the Shield is far better for streaming your local media, as you can get all the lossless audio codecs, which Roku doesn't support. It also supports far more caption, video and audio codecs than the Roku, and even the containers themselves. I don't need to transcode anything from my media server with my Shield. Even WTV files play perfectly.
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Not really. The only thing I can think of is YouTube HDR support. Beyond that, the Shield is far better for streaming your local media, as you can get all the lossless audio codecs, which Roku doesn't support. It also supports far more caption, video and audio codecs than the Roku, and even the containers themselves. I don't need to transcode anything from my media server with my Shield. Even WTV files play perfectly.

Thank you for that feedback. I do not stream any local media to speak of (and when I do, I use my Oppo UDP-203), so I guess I'm not missing out on anything by continuing to rely on my Shield for all of my OTT streaming apps other than XoD and HBO GO.

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Thank you for that feedback. I do not stream any local media to speak of (and when I do, I use my Oppo UDP-203), so I guess I'm not missing out on anything by continuing to rely on my Shield for all of my OTT streaming apps other than XoD and HBO GO.
While the Shield's upscaling isn't as good as the Oppo, the overall user experience (interface, navigation, eye candy) is much better on the Shield.

I was using my 103 as my primary player for local content, and I dealt with the 17 layers of menus as "the price you pay." Since getting a shield, I have barely turned on my Oppo for watching video.
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Any more news or updates on an updated Shield? Is that perhaps happening this fall?

Also - Is there any update on a Direct TV Now app?

I'm working on a theater room in my basement that has a projector (so no built in apps) and am trying to decide between the Shield, Apple TV, and Roku Ultra for streaming (I want a ethernet connection). It seems like both Shield and Apple TV are both close to being the perfect device but both have just a couple of glaring weaknesses, which I was hoping would get fixed in an updated Shield.

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Still no DirecTV Now app for the Shield. Some people have gotten the DirecTV Now app for Firestick to work on the Shield. I haven't had any luck trying that. I just bought a Firestick, they are cheap enough, and use it for DirecTV Now. I use the Shield for everything else.
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Any more news or updates on an updated Shield? Is that perhaps happening this fall?

Also - Is there any update on a Direct TV Now app?

I'm working on a theater room in my basement that has a projector (so no built in apps) and am trying to decide between the Shield, Apple TV, and Roku Ultra for streaming (I want a ethernet connection). It seems like both Shield and Apple TV are both close to being the perfect device but both have just a couple of glaring weaknesses, which I was hoping would get fixed in an updated Shield.
If you want the ability to stream from a local media server, the Shield is the only one on your list that supports Dolby TrueHD, DTS Master Audio, Atmos, etc. The Shield also supports closed captions far better than the Roku (can't speak to the ATV). For myself, the Shield would be the only choice here.

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Any more news or updates on an updated Shield? Is that perhaps happening this fall?

Also - Is there any update on a Direct TV Now app?

I'm working on a theater room in my basement that has a projector (so no built in apps) and am trying to decide between the Shield, Apple TV, and Roku Ultra for streaming (I want a ethernet connection). It seems like both Shield and Apple TV are both close to being the perfect device but both have just a couple of glaring weaknesses, which I was hoping would get fixed in an updated Shield.
Who says that you have to decide between them? After all, they are not mutually exclusive.

I have a Shield, the latest Roku Ultra, and an Amazon Fire TV Stick 4K and use them for different purposes. If budget is a concern, I would eliminate either the Shield or the Apple TV; the others are all relatively cheap.

If you have Comcast as your CTV provider, the Roku is the only one that officially supports the Xfinity Stream app for on-demand or live TV viewing, as I have touched on above.
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While the Shield's upscaling isn't as good as the Oppo, the overall user experience (interface, navigation, eye candy) is much better on the Shield.

I was using my 103 as my primary player for local content, and I dealt with the 17 layers of menus as "the price you pay." Since getting a shield, I have barely turned on my Oppo for watching video.

Actually, I feel that my Sony XBR-65Z9D display does the best job of upscaling. That's one reason why I use the Oppo, which I have set for Source Direct video output.
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Who says that you have to decide between them? After all, they are not mutually exclusive.
I have a Shield, the latest Roku Ultra, and an Amazon Fire TV Stick 4K and use them for different purposes. If budget is a concern, I would eliminate either the Shield or the Apple TV; the others are all relatively cheap.

I agree on multiple devices, though if the new Shield just adds Dolby Vision and HDR10+ support and fixes the color space issues, it would become the king of boxes. I'll throw out a new option -- spend $35 on the Raspberry Pi 4, load this and you've got lossless audio playback for HD/ & 4k HDR stored media (though the Shield will be faster).

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I agree on multiple devices, though if the new Shield just adds Dolby Vision and HDR10+ support and fixes the color space issues, it would become the king of boxes. I'll throw out a new option -- spend $35 on the Raspberry Pi 4, load this and you've got lossless audio playback for HD/ & 4k HDR stored media (though the Shield will be faster).
Honestly, for Kodi you don't even need to spend that much. Plenty of cheapie Amlogic S912 based boxes out there, just install CoreElec on it and it works fine. I have one, the PQ is actually superior than the Shield's (surprises me but I can actually see it). I think it cost me <$30.

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Just wanted to say thanks to the group for showing how to enter the Developer settings and set the Colorimetry feature to On, after doing that and setting my video settings to the max supported it now jumps between HDR and SDR and 709 and 2020 like it should depending on the video. Using this with an Epson 5050 and go into projector info and it reports the correct video signal.

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Really kind of bummed the new Shield is probably going to be nothing but a refresh and not a new system. Really a few niggling issues prevents the Shield from being the perfect TV box.

Unfortunately the Kodi people can’t figure out how to get Atmos and DV working on the Fire TV stick either. Ideally I’d like to be able to use the Kodi Netflix addon to be able to do both. As it stands now I either use my Shield to get Netflix Atmos or use my Vizio’s app to get DV. I have to sacrifice one to get the other.

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. As it stands now I either use my Shield to get Netflix Atmos or use my Vizio’s app to get DV. I have to sacrifice one to get the other.
Which is why I sucked it up and got an Apple TV 4k. Although now my Sony Android TV supports everything now except for Atmos in prime video.

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If Hulu would get off their ass and update their app on the Shield it would make me very happy. But it seems like Google has somehow keeping them from putting their Hulu Live TV app on android boxes.

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Really kind of bummed the new Shield is probably going to be nothing but a refresh and not a new system. Really a few niggling issues prevents the Shield from being the perfect TV box.



Unfortunately the Kodi people can’t figure out how to get Atmos and DV working on the Fire TV stick either. Ideally I’d like to be able to use the Kodi Netflix addon to be able to do both. As it stands now I either use my Shield to get Netflix Atmos or use my Vizio’s app to get DV. I have to sacrifice one to get the other.


I understand the desire to not want to compromise. But with the hardware you currently have. Is there after a difference between Netflix HDR and DV? I wonder if in a blind test you would even know.


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If Hulu would get off their ass and update their app on the Shield it would make me very happy. But it seems like Google has somehow keeping them from putting their Hulu Live TV app on android boxes.
At least FandangoNow finally updated their app on the Shield and can now watch 4k HDR on there. Before this, I was only able to watch 4k HDR on the Roku and it was like this for years.

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Really kind of bummed the new Shield is probably going to be nothing but a refresh and not a new system. Really a few niggling issues prevents the Shield from being the perfect TV box.
There's really no evidence to say one way or another. All we know is the codename. As XDA says: "Developers believe that this refreshed Tegra X1 will feature better power usage and a higher maximum GPU clock speed, though that depends on what model is being used on this new SHIELD Android TV product." Solid Nintendo Switch sales would be the driving force behind a low-cost buffing of the X1.

What makes sense is that they use the existing design but shrink it down from the ancient 20nm process for better power use and a clock bump. If you go to that trouble, it's trivial to add in Dolby hardware decode routines.
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Which is why I sucked it up and got an Apple TV 4k. Although now my Sony Android TV supports everything now except for Atmos in prime video.

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I’m not paying $130 just for Atmos on one app on a very limited selection of titles. No other interest in Apple hardware. Just hoping that Atmos comes to Netflix on Vizio at some point. Vudu and Prime have it.

It really doesn’t look like the new Shield is anything but a refresh with new controllers/remote. There really isn’t much reason for Nvidia to significantly upgrade the hardware at this point.

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I’m not paying $130 just for Atmos on one app on a very limited selection of titles. No other interest in Apple hardware. Just hoping that Atmos comes to Netflix on Vizio at some point. Vudu and Prime have it.

It really doesn’t look like the new Shield is anything but a refresh with new controllers/remote. There really isn’t much reason for Nvidia to significantly upgrade the hardware at this point.
I also tried out the Apple 4K TV last week, first problem right out of the box is that it wouldn't detect that my Epson 5050 couldn't do HDR, so had to change settings on the projector that I didn't have to do with the shield.
Then playing back a 4K HDR Rec 2020 video file it still only reported Rec 709 and SDR to the projector.
The real nail in the coffin was after I loaded Plex on the Apple 4K TV and played a 4K video file it would constantly pause and startup again. The same file using Plex on the Shield never had a problem.
So Apple back to Amazon. I will say the picture was very good on the Apple but not worth all the hassle.

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I also tried out the Apple 4K TV last week, first problem right out of the box is that it wouldn't detect that my Epson 5050 couldn't do HDR, so had to change settings on the projector that I didn't have to do with the shield.
Then playing back a 4K HDR Rec 2020 video file it still only reported Rec 709 and SDR to the projector.
The real nail in the coffin was after I loaded Plex on the Apple 4K TV and played a 4K video file it would constantly pause and startup again. The same file using Plex on the Shield never had a problem.
So Apple back to Amazon. I will say the picture was very good on the Apple but not worth all the hassle.
A while back I purchased a ATV 4k off craigslist for $80. I wasn't heavily invested in the Apple infrastructure so really had no use for it.

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So please help me understand where the limitations for the Shield TV fall.

I have 3, but only 1 is connected to a 4k display with a 3.1 Vizio soundbar. The TV detects and displays HDR. Another Shield TV is in a home theater streaming from Kodi and the audio is set to passthrough to the reciever which detects and outputs Atmos.

Is everyone pointing towards a hardware shortcoming or the lack of support in an app?

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I believe the most significant limitation for many users (I'm not one of them) is the lack of Dolby Vision. For some it might be the lack of YouTube HDR support. Beyond that, I believe the remaining limitations apply to specific apps on the Shield, not the Shield itself.
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