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???? The bitstreamed audio from my Shield TVs sounds the same as bitstreamed audio from my other devices that are capable of bitstreaming.

It's the devices that decode the audio internally, before outputting it, that can muck it up.


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Got it hooked up. Problems so far.


1. Screen is overscanned on my TV.
2. Can't figure out how to see my samba shares.
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Anyone know why the Dynamic Range setting in the Advanced setting of Display & Sound is greyed out?

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Anyone know why the Dynamic Range setting in the Advanced setting of Display & Sound is greyed out?
In order to gain access to Dynamic Range, you must set the Shield to rgb 8-bit rec 709.

As a result, you won't be able to access Titles from Netflix or Amazon in HDR.

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In order to gain access to Dynamic Range, you must set the Shield to rgb 8-bit rec 709.

As a result, you won't be able to access Titles from Netflix or Amazon in HDR.
Thanks for the answer. Any reason to do that?

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Thanks for the answer. Any reason to do that?

From my personal perspective, if you are solely playing Video Games on the Shield, then the RGB setup may be the case. However if you're treating the Shield as a video streamer, then the various Colorspace settings are a requirement for features such as HDR. YUV 444 8-bit RGB is not capable of handling HDR, where as 422/420/444 10/12-bit are.

Also be aware that if you're using the Shield's recommended settings, and use an app such as MrMC, there's a setting called "Use Limited Colour Range" which sets the output to 16-235, which is recommended for Videos.

Your display plays a role in this as well. On my Sony display, I keep similar settings to "auto".

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From my personal perspective, if you are solely playing Video Games on the Shield, then the RGB setup may be the case. However if you're treating the Shield as a video streamer, then the various Colorspace settings are a requirement for features such as HDR. YUV 444 8-bit RGB is not capable of handling HDR, where as 422/420/444 10/12-bit is.

Also be aware that if you're using the Shield's recommended settings, and use an app such as MrMC, there's a setting called "Use Limited Colour Range" which sets the output to 16-235, which is recommended for Videos.

Your display plays a role in this as well. On my Sony display, I keep similar settings to "auto".
Thank you for the quick responses. I am good with it where its at then.
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Your post was reported to the mods, so Im glad you were just joking. May I suggest adding an emoticon next tme, so everyone is in on the intended joke.


Huh? It wasn’t even my post lol. Whole lotta confusion going on here haha.

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Got it hooked up. Problems so far.


1. Screen is overscanned on my TV.
2. Can't figure out how to see my samba shares.
For #1 , did you even do a cursory look thru the settings before posting?

- Settings, Display & Sound, Advanced settings, Adjust for overscan.

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For #1 , did you even do a cursory look thru the settings before posting?

- Settings, Display & Sound, Advanced settings, Adjust for overscan.

Thanks! That fixed it. And I got the share visible too. Now, when I play an AC3 mkv, I hit the circle button on the remote and see settings. I go to that and select audio passthru as default for all media, but it doesn't change anything. It is still passing pcm to receiver.
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Thanks! That fixed it. And I got the share visible too. Now, when I play an AC3 mkv, I hit the circle button on the remote and see settings. I go to that and select audio passthru as default for all media, but it doesn't change anything. It is still passing pcm to receiver.

Ok, I found my way into the Kodi "settings" vs. going to settings while watching a video in progress. I turned on "advanced" settings and enabled all audio formats (including DD+). Now when I play the mkv, my receiver shows DD+, but my neotv just shows DD. Is this ok?
Why does kodi think the mkv is DD+?
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Thanks! That fixed it. And I got the share visible too. Now, when I play an AC3 mkv, I hit the circle button on the remote and see settings. I go to that and select audio passthru as default for all media, but it doesn't change anything. It is still passing pcm to receiver.
Did you read the audio section in the link I provided? Beyond the excellent background material it provides very specific settings instructions for the Shield and for Kodi.

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I was wondering if you folks still would buy this right now or probably wait for a new one? There is cheap Android TV and I am not going to game on it but I read they can barely even display HD. Due to such weak processors.
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Did you read the audio section in the link I provided? Beyond the excellent background material it provides very specific settings instructions for the Shield and for Kodi.

I read thru it several times this morning. Unfortunately, this guide is over my head 99% of the time. I really could use a "for dummies" version. I made some settings changes for video, others I could not find, but my TV is reporting seeing 24p for blurays, so I think it is switching formats on the fly now.
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I just got this! A little late to the game however. I guess better late than never. Amazingly I got BB to match some crazy low price on the internet. So pretty stoked. I am sure this is better than the Roku. For some reason I thought this thing was the size of a 17" Laptop. It is not very big at all. I will set it up later.
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I just got this! A little late to the game however. I guess better late than never. Amazingly I got BB to match some crazy low price on the internet. So pretty stoked. I am sure this is better than the Roku. For some reason I thought this thing was the size of a 17" Laptop. It is not very big at all. I will set it up later.
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I was wondering if you folks still would buy this right now or probably wait for a new one? There is cheap Android TV and I am not going to game on it but I read they can barely even display HD. Due to such weak processors.
If it fits your needs, I'd absolutely buy one now. By all accounts, the rumored "new one" is only a minor step-up in terms of processing power and no reports of new features.

If you don't need one right now, then you could give it a while and see if the current one goes on sale or if any more rumors surface about the capabilities of the new one.

But if you need a streamer that supports TrueHD / Atmos / DTSx passthru, then yeah, go grab one.

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Upon installation it was dead. Tech support did some "troubleshooting". ultimately suggested I exchange it as it is a "defective" unit. hung up with them. I unplugged it 5 minutes. Plugged it back in. Setup and have proceeded to watch 5 movies thus far. Idiots. He said their are no current plans of a new one. however given his general ineptness I am not sure I can trust that comment either! considering I got a very god deal on it and you guys say if and when they do introduce a new one it is not much better I hardly care then. I was not about to wait to pay a lot more money. The store has not sold one in over a year so they tossed one my way. I am quite happy with it. Even just the "HD" picture quality is outstanding. I really like everything about it. no complaints. I had many about the Roku Ultra though. There is no comparison. My Tv has YouTube HDR so that is fine if I choose to ever use it which is unlikely anyways. I got a 2GB HD on a cheap price match too. Which I believe is the largest it supports? Nicely it supports an unpowered drive and as internal storage. The Roku needs a powered huge drive and supports it as external storage. They are hardly in the same league for many reasons. Thus far I am quite pleased with it and do not see myself not being so in the future. It is controlled by my URC tablet remote too. With bidirectional communication. so I can see everything like all the apps and shows on the remote as well. Very nice setup IMO and today I am having voice control installed on my remote too!
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Nvidia tech support is completely inept unfortunately. URC tech support is 100%. Go figure on a $2,000+ remote. They have correctly advised me on Shield settings 3 times now That is above and beyond what they even should be asked to do but they obliged. Part of the perks of owning a $2,000+ remote I guess. It is certainly not URC's prerogative to do that but they did and I am very grateful they did so.Nvidia really needs to step it up. Their tech support I have found to be sorely lacking with the most basic of questions. One guy denied that they even make a product called "shield", he replied "We make video cards"! That is honestly pitiful. I know not to call them now at least. Just a waste of my time regardless of the matter. YMMV of course. I hope someone else is connected to a knowledgeable agent should they require support but I doubt it. Nonetheless I am extremely pleased with the Shield having come from a Roku Ultra. Also them stating to me that they currently have no plans of making a new one I would take with a grain of salt. Given their general seemingly cluelessness. Although if they do I certainly do not tend to think it is in the works as of right now. Of course, I have no clue about that myself so I certainly cannot speak on Nvidia's behalf. I just feel that way from what I have read from various internet sources. It is a bit long in the tooth but was so good it is still certainly viable as of today. Even though I obtained this late in the game I am quite pleased with it and wish I had obtained it sooner.

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I do have a question for you folks though which neither Nvidia(Duh), nor URC could answer. What is the maximum size external hard drive size it can support as "internal storage" in TB? What do you feel is a "reasonable" size drive for it? Thank you
I've got 5 of these things. I got my first one back in last 2015, and we liked them so much I just kept getting more of them to put everywhere in the house they'd be useful.

I access all of my various media (Blu Ray RIPs, DVR Recordings, CD Rips, PC Games) on my Shield over intranet; the only thing I "store locally on the Shield" is the apps and "simple android games". I run a PC to store files, transcode (if needed), etc. For that I find a 128 GB SD Card to be more than enough. On 3 out of 5 of them I run with only the 16 gigs that the "standard" model shipped with. Unless you plan to store big Blu Ray rips locally right on the device I'm not sure why you'd want or need more than that....
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I've got 5 of these things. I got my first one back in last 2015, and we liked them so much I just kept getting more of them to put everywhere in the house they'd be useful.

I access all of my various media (Blu Ray RIPs, DVR Recordings, CD Rips, PC Games) on my Shield over intranet; the only thing I "store locally on the Shield" is the apps and "simple android games". I run a PC to store files, transcode (if needed), etc. For that I find a 128 GB SD Card to be more than enough. On 3 out of 5 of them I run with only the 16 gigs that the "standard" model shipped with. Unless you plan to store big Blu Ray rips locally right on the device I'm not sure why you'd want or need more than that....
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Keep in mind I am not talking about playing ripped UHD files, I am talking about the streaming apps. I have no desire to rip movies or play pirated stuff. I have the UHD discs and obviously no streaming apps will compete with a UHD Blu-Ray.
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I realize that, that's why I was wondering how the Xbox has so much LFE in it's streaming apps. I streamed the movie "Beats" on the Xbox and it was shaking the dishes in my sink 50 feet away, I switched inputs on the receiver to the Shield and hit resume to test it and the subs don't even move. It is a discrepancy, I wanted to make sure that I was using the Shield correctly, or that I had set it up correctly.



What I can gather is that the Xbox is processing its audio differently than other streamers and might be amplifying the sound or manipulating it. This seems to be the answer to my question. Thanks everyone.
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As to Nvidias ineptness. On three separate phone calls they informed me the limit was 2TB,4TB and 8GB. Yes, 8GB. I assume he meant 8TB but just further shows what idiots in India they employ. I had read as much as there was on the subject however. Some people had 4 or 8 working others quickly encountered problems. I have been using 2TB with no issues. So from that I can derive the limit is actually 2TB or less. It may indeed be 500GB as per the 500GB model in fact. Others had up to 4 2TB drives working on a powered hub. Along the way I found out people rooted it and loaded Oreo. As with my phone I am not interested in "projects" but rather things that work as intended. So for now I will stick with 2TB unless I have problems with it. That is plenty anyways. The reason being, most stuff is copy righted anyways and you cannot save it regardless. If you purchase something, you have the right to view it whenever you wish but not to save it locally in most instances. I am not going to rip my discs. I have an extremely high end Blu Ray player and am not worried about strain on it's tray or mechanism. Plus I do not have the time to rip literally thousands of discs anyways. I only actually watch but a few regularly so just spinning them is no big deal to me. I would certainly be willing to throw more storage on it but apparently it cannot reliably handle it. It in fact may turn out to not even handle the 2TB. That being you cannot trust anything Nvidia support tells you IMO. They were unable to provide me assistance with the most basic settings furthermore. Indian support is the norm now but Nvidia really needs to pick a different contractor. However I imagine they garner few calls on this at this point. They in fact may be much better at video card questions. I do not know as I have never had to call them for that luckily. Again, YMMV. I am not bashing them, just reporting my own experiences. There Engineers obviously do know what they are doing as the shield in itself is top notch IMO and so are both their professional and consumer video cards. I extensively use both with no issues ever. Once set up correctly, the Shield is not only absolutely fine it is great IMO. Just try not to need to call their tech support IMO. Again, hopefully YMMV. I am quite pleased with the Shield save for the Tech support I received but that does not really bother me. Ultimately I figured it all out one way or another anyways. I mainly had issues involving the URC remote but it was on the Shields side. It is all resolved now and as of right now I feel that the Shield is fantastic. Last night I binge watched every episode of House MD. The picture quality was superb and I am not even sure what resolution it was but certainly not 4K I imagine. All is well.
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Ripping discs is more for the convenience than saving wear and tear on a player. I like that I have all my discs stored away and I can watch anything I own on any device in my home without needing to get the physical disc. What the end result is depends on the player used. With my Shield, I have everything: 4K HDR, Lossless audio (including Atmos), captions, fast forward, replay and resume (trick play). With my Roku players, I get whatever the display is capable of showing (including 4K/HDR), but the audio is downgraded to Dolby Digital or only the core DTS audio, no Atmos, trick play with everything but VC-1 content, and rarely any captions. With my Sony BD player, I get no better than 1080, TrueHD works but not Master Audio, captions only if it's a DVD rip (MKV container) or a BD rip in a TS container.

So, with other than the Shield I have to depend on my DLNA server (Serviio) to transcode audio and/or video to match the abilities of the player. Since the Roku was not initially designed for local media playback (it's something they only added a few years ago or so) it's understandable it is lacking in that regard. And since all my media is stored somewhere other than the Shield, it really doesn't matter for me how large an external drive it will accept. But I understand the needs and desires of other users. It's a shame that Nvidia has such poor tech support. Sounds like they need a separate help desk for their non-GPU business. Because they certainly sell more than GPUs, and even the Shield is only one many more products they sell.

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I have a quick question. I'm thinking about getting a Shield and wondering can you connect a USB with a 4k Dolby Atmos file and play through the Shield?
I have been using my Sony x800 and it plays 1080p files with Dolbythd and DTShdma, and also 4k hdr dtsX files but the x800 won't play 4k Dolby Atmos for some reason.

I tried streaming my files through Plex on my Fire TV, but my laptop is too damn slow to stream 4k without stopping every second.
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I have a quick question. I'm thinking about getting a Shield and wondering can you connect a USB with a 4k Dolby Atmos file and play through the Shield?

I have been using my Sony x800 and it plays 1080p files with Dolbythd and DTShdma, and also 4k hdr dtsX files but the x800 won't play 4k Dolby Atmos for some reason.



I tried streaming my files through Plex on my Fire TV, but my laptop is too damn slow to stream 4k without stopping every second.
I haven't tried, but I don't see why it would be a problem

The Shield TV has 3 USB 3.0 ports, just make sure your USB drive is the 3.0 standard for the necessary speed.

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That is too bad because I didn't even rip my 120+ 4K BDs, just did a full backup and put them on my NAS and play them back on my Oppo players with full menus, features, DV, and lossless audio and noticed you have an Oppo as well. Discs sit in the shelf with no handling necessary, no strain on the tray or drive in the player, just full disc glory streaming through the network.

What you've described here is ripping the discs.




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