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I've been doing that since I got my Shields last Spring. I can play my 1:1 UHD MKV rips with Atmos audio from Plex and Kodi etc.. And then I can play my 1:1 UHD BD ISOs with Kodi and probably MrMC.
The Shield has no problem playing Back the UHD BD rips in UHD/HDR10 with bitstreamed lossless Atmos/DTS:X audio.

The Oppo is the only option if you want DV and lossless audio. And it has to be in the folder format for that. There is a way to get DV with MKV but you will lose the lossless audio, plus you have to spend more time creating it. So I don't mess with that since I want the Lossless audio. So if I want the DV from my UHD BD, I will play the actual disc. If I want HDR10 from my UHD BDs, then I will either play the MKV I created using Plex or Kodi. Or I will play the UHD BD ISO I created with Kodi. (I create a UHD BD ISO and a UHD MKV from every UHD BD title I rip.) And MrMC should still work. But I haven't used it in awhile. Lately I've stuck with the native Plex app, Plex in the Kodi app, or just the Kodi app.
Thank you aaronwt, your posts are always helpful. I forgot to mention previously but lossless audio is a must. Also, I don't have an OPPO, I only mentioned it because I had read it's the only option for DV.

I'm fine with no DV as long as I can still get HDR10 as I'm not sure if my eyes will really be able to discern much difference (I'm not positive but I think most UHDs that have DV also have HDR10). Do you know if there's a way to choose HDR10 over DV when either ripping the disc or when playing back via Kodi? Or to convert DV to HDR10? I mentioned that I would prefer main-movie-only folder structure, but if that isn't an option due to remux issues then I would prefer to go with mkv.
In Kodi, is there an advantage of any format over another (ISO, folder structure, or mkv)?
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Thank you aaronwt, your posts are always helpful. I forgot to mention previously but lossless audio is a must. Also, I don't have an OPPO, I only mentioned it because I had read it's the only option for DV.

I'm fine with no DV as long as I can still get HDR10 as I'm not sure if my eyes will really be able to discern much difference (I'm not positive but I think most UHDs that have DV also have HDR10). Do you know if there's a way to choose HDR10 over DV when either ripping the disc or when playing back via Kodi? Or to convert DV to HDR10? I mentioned that I would prefer main-movie-only folder structure, but if that isn't an option due to remux issues then I would prefer to go with mkv.
In Kodi, is there an advantage of any format over another (ISO, folder structure, or mkv)?
I can also confirm that MrMC will play my UHD/HDR rips (all in MKV), and TrueHD/Atmos and DTS:X both come through as an untouched bitstream. I use Serviio as a DLNA server, but the profile used does zero transcoding. I can watch the network card in my PC and see bitrates exceeding 120 Mbps, so I'm sure I'm getting the untouched video bitstream as well.

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Since we're discussing playing UHD rips on the Shield, what optical drive is currently considered the best for ripping UHD 4K discs using MakeMKV? I'm probably going to replace my aging 1080p plasma soon and want to have content ready to go for when I do.

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Since we're discussing playing UHD rips on the Shield, what optical drive is currently considered the best for ripping discs using MakeMKV? I'm probably going to replace my aging 1080p plasma soon and want to have content ready to go for when I do.
I use the LG WH14NS40, which isn't even on the list of drives that work, but it does. I believe firmware is important as well, and if I remember correctly, on the LG drives the firmware has to be 1.02 or below. On the MakeMKV forum, they discuss drives that work: https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewto...p?f=16&t=16832
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I use the LG WH14NS40, which isn't even on the list of drives that work, but it does. I believe firmware is important as well, and if I remember correctly, on the LG drives the firmware has to be 1.02 or below. On the MakeMKV forum, they discuss drives that work: https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewto...p?f=16&t=16832

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Since we're discussing playing UHD rips on the Shield, what optical drive is currently considered the best for ripping UHD 4K discs using MakeMKV? I'm probably going to replace my aging 1080p plasma soon and want to have content ready to go for when I do.
I have an ASUS BW-16D1HT and it works great! I also have an LG WH16NS40 which is supposed to work but I've only tried it on one disc so far and it didn't work, so who knows.
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I can also confirm that MrMC will play my UHD/HDR rips (all in MKV), and TrueHD/Atmos and DTS:X both come through as an untouched bitstream. I use Serviio as a DLNA server, but the profile used does zero transcoding. I can watch the network card in my PC and see bitrates exceeding 120 Mbps, so I'm sure I'm getting the untouched video bitstream as well.
What happens if mkv UHD rip has DV, does it downgrade to HDR10? Or are you able to choose HDR10 instead of DV?
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What happens if mkv UHD rip has DV, does it downgrade to HDR10? Or are you able to choose HDR10 instead of DV?
I only have a small number of UHD discs, and honestly don't know if they contain DV, as I don't have a DV display. But they all do trigger HDR mode in my Samsung JU7100. The titles I have are

Close Encounters of the Third Kind
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If any of these have DV, then I would say that the HDR base layer must still be there.

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I only have a small number of UHD discs, and honestly don't know if they contain DV, as I don't have a DV display. But they all do trigger HDR mode in my Samsung JU7100. The titles I have are

Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Dracula (1992 with Gary Oldman)
The Fifth Element
Independence Day
Jurassic Park (and JP II and III)
Jurassic World
Solo - A Star Wars Story

If any of these have DV, then I would say that the HDR base layer must still be there.
Thank you. According to blu-ray.com, none of those are DV.
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What happens if mkv UHD rip has DV, does it downgrade to HDR10? Or are you able to choose HDR10 instead of DV?
All UHD Blu-ray Discs with DOlby Vision also have HDR10. You rip it like normal and the title will have HDR10. They look great being played back from the Shield.
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All UHD Blu-ray Discs with DOlby Vision also have HDR10. You rip it like normal and the title will have HDR10. They look great being played back from the Shield.
Fantastic. I'm good to go.
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All UHD Blu-ray Discs with DOlby Vision also have HDR10. You rip it like normal and the title will have HDR10. They look great being played back from the Shield.
Indeed, all 4K Blu-rays have the HDR10 base layer with a "1080p" DV metadata extension layer which is simply discarded while remuxing them to a MKV container.
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Based on some preliminary testing I did last night on my 2 Shields after installing the Hotfix - Color space switching looks to have been resolved and seems to be working exactly the way it should.

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Based on some preliminary testing I did last night on my 2 Shields after installing the Hotfix - Color space switching looks to have been resolved and seems to be working exactly the way it should.


Did you have to sign up for it or did it show up. I had put my name in a Google form and got a hot fix earlier but I think that one was just related to The controller.

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Did you have to sign up for it or did it show up. I had put my name in a Google form and got a hot fix earlier but I think that one was just related to The controller.

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If you entered your Shield serial number (don't ever recall one asking for your name) in the form and received the first hot fix you should be good to go.

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If you entered your Shield serial number (don't ever recall one asking for your name) in the form and received the first hot fix you should be good to go.


This was like a week or so ago with a previous hotfix. I guess I'll find out today if I need to do it again.

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If I remember correctly, mine is set for 10bit 4:2:0 at 2160P60. Then in Plex, Kodi etc, when it switches to 2160P24, it switches to 12 bit 4:2:2.
Mine switches properly as well but my $30 S912 Coreelec (Kodi) box still has better PQ (it's pretty noticable), and it outputs all HDR material at 4:4:4. Odd that a $30 box can look better than a $150 one.

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Mine switches properly as well but my $30 S912 Coreelec (Kodi) box still has better PQ (it's pretty noticable), and it outputs all HDR material at 4:4:4. Odd that a $30 box can look better than a $150 one.


Dave what would you say specially about the pq that is better. Have you set them up side by side? Or are you just saying between the two it's that obvious?

I always see people say this but have never seen any real data to back it up.

I switch between the Shield and an HTPC and I can't say I see a huge difference.

Dave can you link to that box? So many choices and I don't see anything in the $30 range. Those things can't do hdr can they?

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The new version of the app will allow for automatic refresh rate switching with apps like HBO Now.
Unfortunately 3.1 doesn't work with either HBO Go or Showtime, HBO Go crashes back to the launch screen upon refresh switch and Sho goes back to the video title screen. Hulu still pauses every time there is a rate switch.

Whiteboy- I don't know how I can provide data on pq because it's totally subjective- I run both boxes on the same setup and I can only say to my eyes the S912 box looks better. I have a MeCool BB2, but there are so many of these S912 boxes I would just buy the cheapest I can find for CoreElec and hope for the best. Just make sure it has gigabit ether net.

Definitely don't spend much on one, especially if it doesn't do what you want. Yes, they all can do 4k HDR 4:4:4 with lossless audio (Atmos/DTS-X, etc). The UI on mine is kind of slow but I hear ymmv depending upon the model you get. If all you want is Kodi (I use a Harmony hub with it and map keyboard commands to the Remote) it works fine.

There are a lot of them on ebay and ali-express. I suggest looking at the Kodi and coreelec forums before you buy.

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Unfortunately 3.1 doesn't work with either HBO Go or Showtime, HBO Go crashes back to the launch screen upon refresh switch and Sho goes back to the video title screen. Hulu still pauses every time there is a rate switch.



Whiteboy- I don't know how I can provide data on pq because it's totally subjective- I run both boxes on the same setup and I can only say to my eyes the S912 box looks better. I have a MeCool BB2, but there are so many of these S912 boxes I would just buy the cheapest I can find for CoreElec and hope for the best. Just make sure it has gigabit ether net.



Definitely don't spend much on one, especially if it doesn't do what you want. Yes, they all can do 4k HDR 4:4:4 with lossless audio (Atmos/DTS-X, etc). The UI on mine is kind of slow but I hear ymmv depending upon the model you get. If all you want is Kodi (I use a Harmony hub with it and map keyboard commands to the Remote) it works fine.



There are a lot of them on ebay and ali-express. I suggest looking at the Kodi and coreelec forums before you buy.


Cool man thanks for the feedback. I didn't know they could do HDR. I might grab one just to play with.

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Based on some preliminary testing I did last night on my 2 Shields after installing the Hotfix - Color space switching looks to have been resolved and seems to be working exactly the way it should.
I did the same and concur with OP thus far.

One note I would add is that the conversion to 12 bit 4:2:2 suffers slightly compared to 10 bit 4:2:0. There is noticeable banding in 8 bit luma and chroma ramps with the Shield at 12 bit 4:2:2 compared to other devices such as the Oppo 203 and Fire TV Stick 4K. 10 bit 4:2:0 from Shield is much cleaner and comparable to the other devices running 12 bit 4:2:2. For this reason, I am leaving Shield at 10 bit 4:2:0 for the present time, which, unfortunately, precludes frame switching.

I don't typically do exhaustive comparisons of PQ between devices, especially if I don't see anything off the go on patterns that jumps out as being wrong. I did cycle a few 2K SDR clips from Alita: Battle Angel and Oblivion on the Shield, Oppo, and Fire TV and deemed the quality on all three to be adequate for my purposes, although there were differences. PLEX server, MKVs, PLEX and Kodi clients where available.

I didn't see anything on HDR patterns, but it was far from a thorough look.

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I did the same and concur with OP thus far.

One note I would add is that the conversion to 12 bit 4:2:2 suffers slightly compared to 10 bit 4:2:0. There is noticeable banding in 8 bit luma and chroma ramps with the Shield at 12 bit 4:2:2 compared to other devices such as the Oppo 203 and Fire TV Stick 4K. 10 bit 4:2:0 from Shield is much cleaner and comparable to the other devices running 12 bit 4:2:2. For this reason, I am leaving Shield at 10 bit 4:2:0 for the present time, which, unfortunately, precludes frame switching.

I don't typically do exhaustive comparisons of PQ between devices, especially if I don't see anything off the go on patterns that jumps out as being wrong. I did cycle a few 2K SDR clips from Alita: Battle Angel and Oblivion on the Shield, Oppo, and Fire TV and deemed the quality on all three to be adequate for my purposes, although there were differences. PLEX server, MKVs, PLEX and Kodi clients where available.

I didn't see anything on HDR patterns, but it was far from a thorough look.
Interesting markswift2003 who is active on this forum had did an analysis of the shield framerate at 23.976 fps and test for banding and according to his chart the shield passed both at 4:2:2 12 bit 4k along with MaxFALL and MaxCLL which is pretty great to see on a streaming device.

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Unfortunately 3.1 doesn't work with either HBO Go or Showtime, HBO Go crashes back to the launch screen upon refresh switch and Sho goes back to the video title screen. Hulu still pauses every time there is a rate switch.

Whiteboy- I don't know how I can provide data on pq because it's totally subjective- I run both boxes on the same setup and I can only say to my eyes the S912 box looks better. I have a MeCool BB2, but there are so many of these S912 boxes I would just buy the cheapest I can find for CoreElec and hope for the best. Just make sure it has gigabit ether net.

Definitely don't spend much on one, especially if it doesn't do what you want. Yes, they all can do 4k HDR 4:4:4 with lossless audio (Atmos/DTS-X, etc). The UI on mine is kind of slow but I hear ymmv depending upon the model you get. If all you want is Kodi (I use a Harmony hub with it and map keyboard commands to the Remote) it works fine.

There are a lot of them on ebay and ali-express. I suggest looking at the Kodi and coreelec forums before you buy.
If using mrmc I would definitely let it output native resolution when possible so your tv is doing the scaling. I dont know what aspects of pq you are referring to or what content you are viewing. Shield is not great at scaling thats why resolution switching is important to me. Blu-rays look much better outputting to my tv at 1080p using MRMC on the shield compared to letting the device itself do the scaling.
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If using mrmc I would definitely let it output native resolution when possible so your tv is doing the scaling. I dont know what aspects of pq you are referring to or what content you are viewing. Shield is not great at scaling thats why resolution switching is important to me. Blu-rays look much better outputting to my tv at 1080p using MRMC on the shield compared to letting the device itself do the scaling.
I'm using Kodi and I do output everything at it's native resolution. I still think my Coreelec box looks better. Coreelec has some interesting Amlogic features like being able to disable the noise reduction and deinterlacing in hardware. I have the noise reduction disabled and it looks quite good. Of course there's no way for me to prove this, could be just my imagination.

That said, these Android boxes do a nice job just for Kodi considering the price. When the S922x boxes come down in price it will be a good value as well.

Still wouldn't give up my Shield tho, great for an all-around box. Love Gamestream (when it works). Unfortunately it crashes half the time. lol

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I'm using Kodi and I do output everything at it's native resolution. I still think my Coreelec box looks better. Coreelec has some interesting Amlogic features like being able to disable the noise reduction and deinterlacing in hardware. I have the noise reduction disabled and it looks quite good. Of course there's no way for me to prove this, could be just my imagination.

That said, these Android boxes do a nice job just for Kodi considering the price. When the S922x boxes come down in price it will be a good value as well.

Still wouldn't give up my Shield tho, great for an all-around box. Love Gamestream (when it works). Unfortunately it crashes half the time. lol

I see. I own a zappiti and apple tv 4k and htpc, the shield to me looks as good or better then the others in most cases such as 4k content (proper 24fps output, I have not seen banding, and of course maxfall and maxcll information). As long as I am not letting it do any scaling on lower quality content and letting my tv scale. That is the shields one weakness.

I dont think the shield has any post processing features that I know of such as noise reduction active. I know mrmc although I have not played around with it on the shield lets you disable deinterlacing I believe, but it should only be activated anyway if using interlaced content or not being able to match refresh rate to your display.

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Ever since the 8.0 upgrade (including the 2 hotfixes) I’m running into Plex on the Shield giving me the “your connection to the sever is not fast enough” error when playing my UHD rips. No issues with this before. I’m all wired to a windows 10 based server with near gigabit speeds and no issues in other Shield apps accessing the Plex server like mrmc or kodi. I decided to try a factory reset tonight but issued persisted. It’s variable how long it takes to happen but usually on the order of 5-20 min of watching. Anyone else run into this since the upgrade? I could post on the Nvidia forums but to be honest I can’t stand the new format over there.

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Does hulu do 4k and 5.1 on the shield?
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Does hulu do 4k and 5.1 on the shield?
Not sure about 4K but it definitely now does 5.1.

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Ever since the 8.0 upgrade (including the 2 hotfixes) I’m running into Plex on the Shield giving me the “your connection to the sever is not fast enough” error when playing my UHD rips. No issues with this before. I’m all wired to a windows 10 based server with near gigabit speeds and no issues in other Shield apps accessing the Plex server like mrmc or kodi. I decided to try a factory reset tonight but issued persisted. It’s variable how long it takes to happen but usually on the order of 5-20 min of watching. Anyone else run into this since the upgrade? I could post on the Nvidia forums but to be honest I can’t stand the new format over there.
I've noticed just the opposite. Before the 8.0 upgrade I saw the “your connection to the sever is not fast enough” occasionally. But I would always back out of the message and it was fine. But since the upgrade to 8.0, I have not seen that message pop up. Although I don't think I have the Hot fixes. I know I never signed up for them.

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