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Now that I think about it there is little to no difference in hardware between the 2015/2017/2019 Shields- other than Dolby Vision there really is no reason for anyone with a current Shield to upgrade.

It will be a bit disappointing if Nvidia won't offer Dolby Vision as an upgrade to current Shield owners. If they won't do it for free they could offer it at a nominal fee (ie: $10 to $20).
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Now that I think about it there is little to no difference in hardware between the 2015/2017/2019 Shields- other than Dolby Vision there really is no reason for anyone with a current Shield to upgrade.

It will be a bit disappointing if Nvidia won't offer Dolby Vision as an upgrade to current Shield owners. If they won't do it for free they could offer it at a nominal fee (ie: $10 to $20).
I agree, I already have a few devices that offer Dolby Vision so I can still use the older model for SD and HDR10 content.

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Now that I think about it there is little to no difference in hardware between the 2015/2017/2019 Shields- other than Dolby Vision there really is no reason for anyone with a current Shield to upgrade.



It will be a bit disappointing if Nvidia won't offer Dolby Vision as an upgrade to current Shield owners. If they won't do it for free they could offer it at a nominal fee (ie: $10 to $20).
I agree. My Epson 5050 doesn't do Dolby Vision, so I have no reason to upgrade.

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I agree. My Epson 5050 doesn't do Dolby Vision, so I have no reason to upgrade.

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My main TV has DV (Vizio), but it has built in apps, and you can buy a Firestick 4k quite often for $25. So there really is no reason for me to upgrade. It's pretty clear the new Shield is offering Dolby Vision in software as there appears to be no significant hardware upgrades, so if Nvidia doesn't offer it to current owners as an upgrade it would be quite disappointing.

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Two biggest reasons I returned the shield was bad upscaling and no Dolby vision so I'm pretty excited. I just want one device that can do everything and right now I'm using 3: Roku for streaming apps that my TV doesn't have, tv apps for Dolby vision content and Blu Ray player for lossless audio. If the upscaling is actually better, at least as good as the Roku then I'll be happy.
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Two biggest reasons I returned the shield was bad upscaling and no Dolby vision so I'm pretty excited. I just want one device that can do everything and right now I'm using 3: Roku for streaming apps that my TV doesn't have, tv apps for Dolby vision content and Blu Ray player for lossless audio. If the upscaling is actually better, at least as good as the Roku then I'll be happy.
The new Shield also won't offer lossless audio so you still won't have "... one device that can do everything...". Maybe if they offer eARC capability in the future, then it would be close? I would buy it in that case.

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Two biggest reasons I returned the shield was bad upscaling and no Dolby vision so I'm pretty excited. I just want one device that can do everything and right now I'm using 3: Roku for streaming apps that my TV doesn't have, tv apps for Dolby vision content and Blu Ray player for lossless audio. If the upscaling is actually better, at least as good as the Roku then I'll be happy.

The new Shield also won't offer lossless audio so you still won't have "... one device that can do everything...". Maybe if they offer eARC capability in the future, then it would be close?
Why wouldn't it? The shield has always supported audio bitstream. You think they'd revert on arguably their most popular feature?
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The new Shield also won't offer lossless audio so you still won't have "... one device that can do everything...". Maybe if they offer eARC capability in the future, then it would be close? I would buy it in that case.
HUH, WHAT?!?! Bitstream has always worked on all HD audio.
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HUH, WHAT?!?! Bitstream has always worked on all HD audio.
I'm talking about lossless audio (DTS: X, Dolby TrueHD, etc.) from the streaming apps but the streaming vendors would need to suppor it as well. I wasn't talking about lossless from apps such as Plex or Kodi.

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I'm talking about lossless audio (DTS: X, Dolby TrueHD, etc.) from the streaming apps but the streaming vendors would need to suppor it as well. I wasn't talking about lossless from apps such as Plex or Kodi.
Amazon Prime gets Atmos with no problems. I don't have Netflix so I can't comment on that but I have not hear either way.
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Two biggest reasons I returned the shield was bad upscaling and no Dolby vision so I'm pretty excited. I just want one device that can do everything and right now I'm using 3: Roku for streaming apps that my TV doesn't have, tv apps for Dolby vision content and Blu Ray player for lossless audio. If the upscaling is actually better, at least as good as the Roku then I'll be happy.
Why don't you just let your TV do the upscaling?

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Well no device supports that because no streaming service supports that. I meant lossless audio from my Blu Ray rips.
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Amazon Prime gets Atmos with no problems. I don't have Netflix so I can't comment on that but I have not hear either way.
You're getting a version of Atmos using DD+ with the streaming vendors such as Amazon and not the Dolby TrueHD version of Atmos. I'm sure someone else can explain better than I can.
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Well no device supports that because no streaming service supports that. I meant lossless audio from my Blu Ray rips.
I'm hoping streaming vendors will support it soon. If anyone does, it would probably be Netflix first?

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You're getting a version of Atmos using DD+ with the streaming vendors such as Amazon and not the Dolby TrueHD version of Atmos. I'm sure someone else can explain better than I can.
You will never get better than that (for the foreseeable future). If you are talking about Atmos like on retail discs, the bitrate alone is higher than the bitrates of the video portion.

DD+Atmos was developed to deal with low bitrate of streaming audio. It is not a hardware tech issue but totally a bandwidth issue.
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Two biggest reasons I returned the shield was bad upscaling and no Dolby vision so I'm pretty excited. I just want one device that can do everything and right now I'm using 3: Roku for streaming apps that my TV doesn't have, tv apps for Dolby vision content and Blu Ray player for lossless audio. If the upscaling is actually better, at least as good as the Roku then I'll be happy.
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Then I'd have to switch the shield manually back and forth between 1080p and 4k and I wasn't having any of that for a device that was 180. And even with Kodi set to 1080p the picture looked worse. No idea how. Honestly I think there may have been been something wrong with my device. I watched a 1080p show on Amazon prime video and there was such terrible color banding and posterization I was shocked.
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You will never get better than that (for the foreseeable future). If you are talking about Atmos like on retail discs, the bitrate alone is higher than the bitrates of the video portion.

DD+Atmos was developed to deal with low bitrate of streaming audio. It is not a hardware tech issue but totally a bandwidth issue.
Then the selling of discs should not be going away anytime soon either. I've heard talk of some studios (like Sony) not selling movies on disc in the future. I know there are more and more movies that seem to be available only via streaming in 4k and not on disc.

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Then I'd have to switch the shield manually back and forth between 1080p and 4k and I wasn't having any of that for a device that was 180. And even with Kodi set to 1080p the picture looked worse. No idea how. Honestly I think there may have been been something wrong with my device. I watched a 1080p show on Amazon prime video and there was such terrible color banding and posterization I was shocked.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ay.refreshrate

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https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ay.refreshrate

You can set up a whitelist on Kodi to change resolution/refresh rates on the fly.
Did they fix all the bugs on this? I know when I first installed it and tried to use it I was having weird issues (like blank screens) that I had to uninstall it.

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Then the selling of discs should not be going away anytime soon either. I've heard talk of some studios (like Sony) not selling movies on disc in the future. I know there are more and more movies that seem to be available only via streaming in 4k and not on disc.
That's a totally different story. With retail discs you need factories for discs, factories for packaging, distribution, transportation, etc. With streaming, all they need is an office, a fast computer to do the encoding, and to send the master streaming file to the service. It is all about $$$ and the studios are too concerned about making $$$ than providing a better product to (most) consumers that don't really GAF about higher quality lossless audio or video.

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https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ay.refreshrate

You can set up a whitelist on Kodi to change resolution/refresh rates on the fly.

Damn, that auto matches resolution too? Does it work with every app? I wish someone had brought this up a month ago when I was talking about these issues. Oh well. I guess even if the new shield has the same issues this app should fix that. Thanks for making me aware.
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Then I'd have to switch the shield manually back and forth between 1080p and 4k and I wasn't having any of that for a device that was 180. And even with Kodi set to 1080p the picture looked worse. No idea how. Honestly I think there may have been been something wrong with my device. I watched a 1080p show on Amazon prime video and there was such terrible color banding and posterization I was shocked.
Yeah, you had a bad unit probably. My PQ is awesome for 1080p and 4k.

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Damn, that auto matches resolution too? Does it work with every app? I wish someone had brought this up a month ago when I was talking about these issues. Oh well. I guess even if the new shield has the same issues this app should fix that. Thanks for making me aware.
Not every app (ie: no Amazon Prime) but it does work with most. For those that don't it makes it easy to change resolution/refresh rates with a single keypress.

And seeing as the only apparent "new" thing about the new Shield is a slight processor upgrade I would assume it has all the problems the current one has. Functionally there should be no difference. I would bet Dolby Vision and the new "upscaling" feature will be done with software.

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Now that I think about it there is little to no difference in hardware between the 2015/2017/2019 Shields- other than Dolby Vision there really is no reason for anyone with a current Shield to upgrade.
Heh? Speak for yourself, one of the biggest complaints is upscaling, and that looks like it is being addressed which is great.
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The only Dolby vision capable device I own is the Oppo 203. My display is only capable of HDR10 and HLG, so a new Shield would be a waste in my set up. However, as pointed out earlier, if VP9 Profile 2 is available for YouTube and Google Play Movies, then I would consider updating to the new Shield.

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Heh? Speak for yourself, one of the biggest complaints is upscaling, and that looks like it is being addressed which is great.
Probably in software- if it's hardware I'd be surprised. If it is I might consider buying one, otherwise, no.

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Probably in software- if it's hardware I'd be surprised. If it is I might consider buying one, otherwise, no.
The current Shield is a pretty old SOC, most of the more recent stuff does a better job upscaling, sure its not night and day, but I am happy for any advancements.
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I just sold my 2017 model (previously sold the game controller). A week or so ago just for the heck of it I finally setup a Fire TV 4K I got free months ago. Outside of Kodi it works as well as the Shield TV so when I heard about the new model I figured why not... I'm not using it for Kodi at the moment. After getting it on sell I more or less broke even after the related expenses.

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Now that I think about it there is little to no difference in hardware between the 2015/2017/2019 Shields- other than Dolby Vision there really is no reason for anyone with a current Shield to upgrade.



It will be a bit disappointing if Nvidia won't offer Dolby Vision as an upgrade to current Shield owners. If they won't do it for free they could offer it at a nominal fee (ie: $10 to $20).


Seems to me this is a BIG upgrade in hardware and capabilities.


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The new Shield also won't offer lossless audio so you still won't have "... one device that can do everything...". Maybe if they offer eARC capability in the future, then it would be close? I would buy it in that case.
This makes no sense. The Shield already bitstreams HD audio. Also, I don't know why people keep asking for eARC on the Shield. Streaming devices don't need to support eARC. Only your TV and your receiver need to support eARC in the HDMI chain. The whole point of eARC is to send HD audio from your TV to your receiver.
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