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Hey guys, I have a quick question about color gamut settings using the shield, because I've been a bit confused since I had my OLED calibrated (both rec.709 & rec.2020) a couple months ago.



In the advanced display options where you can choose "match content color space", when I turn that on, the colors seem to be really vibrant and unnatural. When I check my TV's color space option, it is always in BT.2020 no matter what I'm watching, and it never switches to rec.709. Now if I leave that option off - again my TV says I'm always in rec.2020, but the colors go back to a more normal state.



I then tested using my TV's internal Netflix app and got rec.709 until I chose something with HDR and it switched to rec.2020 as expected.


On top of rec.709 and rec.2020, my TV also has a 'native' color gamut option as well as a few others. Should I be using that rather than the other two possibly?

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My Vizio TV, Roku Ultra, and Firetv 4k Stick all do surround on youtube.
Is it real 5.1 from those devices? I don't have any of them to test on. My understanding was that the 5.1 support isn't real 5.1.
demos and explains it in its description. The video is four years old now but from what I've been able to find it looks like it's still accurate.

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Are you talking about YouTube TV, or regular YouTube. What vids do you watch on YouTube that even warrant the use of 5.1 or HDR?
Aren't most YT vids just someones face talking in front of a selfie cam? I don't get the 'gripe'.


I thought the same thing about HDR (and kind of still do). But there is a ton of beautiful demo materiel on YouTube. I was surprised how good it looks on my new TV. It's not something I'll watch all the time. But there is some cool nature stuff as well that is great for background materiel.
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I thought the same thing about HDR (and kind of still do). But there is a ton of beautiful demo materiel on YouTube. I was surprised how good it looks on my new TV. It's not something I'll watch all the time. But there is some cool nature stuff as well that is great for background materiel.
Are you getting YouTube on the Shield to play true 4k HDR? I could never get it to work.

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The current Shield does not have the VP9 Profile 2 support for HDR content through YouTube.

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Are you getting YouTube on the Shield to play true 4k HDR? I could never get it to work.

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No it is through the Roku OS. I didn't really care about missing it on the Shield but now feel like it would be a nice addition to the new one.

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Well we can agree to disagree. Not sure what all people would have realistically expected from a new shield. No YouTube HDR is probably the biggest gaf if it's not included. Send at this point there shouldn't be anything like that missing at launch.

But I like new toys. So I'll bite.

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Anyone else feel their shield is slow to wake up? I have mine connected to an AVR and use a harmony remote.

Often lately when I hit the activity on tht harmony I get a signal screen from my TV. Sometimes if I wait it will go to the shield finally. Or sometimes I need to push the activity button again. It's really annoying. I'd just like the thing to never sleep but I haven't figured that out yet. Doesn't seem to be an option.

I should probably also revisit CEC on my TV and turn that all off (new TV still getting used to it)
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No it is through the Roku OS. I didn't really care about missing it on the Shield but now feel like it would be a nice addition to the new one.
As I stated previously, the Shield only does stereo in Youtube. There are many test files that work on other platforms.
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I can give you 3 good reasons to connect devices to the TV first with an AVR:
1. AVR doesn't have enough HDMI ports for all your devices.
2. AVR doesn't support 4K 60fps HDR passthrough of video.
3. If no HDMI inputs are used on the AVR, there's no need to switch inputs on the TV and AVR when going from OTA tuner to video source. Only the TV input needs changing.


I personally don't use lossless audio or Atmos (ceiling speakers), or even have the internet speed to stream 4K, so my streaming is limited to 1080P, 5.1(DTS, DD, DD+).
My AVR (Vizio 5.1 sound bar/speaker combo) has HDMI ARC, DTS/DD/DD+ decoding. That's good enough for me.
1. Time for a new AVR
2. See #1
3. If I change my TV input from HDMI in to OTA, CEC changes everything else. And with CEC I never have to switch the HDMI in on the AVR. Just hitting a button a the remote will auto-switch everything.

Sorry, I don't consider any of those good reasons. But I do stream my local content with 4K and lossless audio. If your Internet is at least 20 Mbps, you have enough for 4K streaming. Netflix tops out at 16 Mbps, but I saw it reaching 2160 as low as 10 Mbps.

If that's good enough for you, fantastic. Glad you're happy with it. That's all that matters in the end.

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I can give you 3 good reasons to connect devices to the TV first with an AVR:
1. AVR doesn't have enough HDMI ports for all your devices.
2. AVR doesn't support 4K 60fps HDR passthrough of video.
3. If no HDMI inputs are used on the AVR, there's no need to switch inputs on the TV and AVR when going from OTA tuner to video source. Only the TV input needs changing.


I personally don't use lossless audio or Atmos (ceiling speakers), or even have the internet speed to stream 4K, so my streaming is limited to 1080P, 5.1(DTS, DD, DD+).
My AVR (Vizio 5.1 sound bar/speaker combo) has HDMI ARC, DTS/DD/DD+ decoding. That's good enough for me.
You can use an HDMI switch if you dont have enough inputs. I use several 5x1 18Gbps HDMI switches in each of my UHD setups. They work great with all my UHD and HD devices.

Each setup has fifteen or more devices connected. No AVR will accommodate that. But even in the old analog HD days, I used component switches to accommodate all my HD devices. And even in the 90s with Svideo inputs. And composite in the 80s. Because no TV or AVR has ever had enough inputs for me to connect everything. So I have always needed switches.

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You can use an HDMI switch if you dont have enough inputs. I use several 5x1 18Gbps HDMI switches in each of my UHD setups. They work great with all my UHD and HD devices.

Each setup has fifteen or more devices connected. No AVR will accommodate that. But even in the old analog HD days, I used component switches to accommodate all my HD devices. And even in the 90s with Svideo inputs. And composite in the 80s. Because no TV or AVR has ever had enough inputs for me to connect everything. So I have always needed switches.

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As I stated previously, the Shield only does stereo in Youtube. There are many test files that work on other platforms.


I was referring to HDR.

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Are you getting YouTube on the Shield to play true 4k HDR? I could never get it to work.

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I used my TV's version of YouTube to see HDR vids from there. I can't watch 4K vids because I don't have the internet speed (DSL), but the HDR still plays at 1080P.
I wanted to know what anyone would watch on YouTube with the Shield if it did have 4K HDR or 5.1 sound support. I just don't see the need.
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Are you getting YouTube on the Shield to play true 4k HDR? I could never get it to work.

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The Shield does not have support for vp9 profile 2 so will not play anything on youtube in HDR...

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You can use an HDMI switch if you dont have enough inputs. I use several 5x1 18Gbps HDMI switches in each of my UHD setups. They work great with all my UHD and HD devices.

Each setup has fifteen or more devices connected. No AVR will accommodate that. But even in the old analog HD days, I used component switches to accommodate all my HD devices. And even in the 90s with Svideo inputs. And composite in the 80s. Because no TV or AVR has ever had enough inputs for me to connect everything. So I have always needed switches.

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I didn't say I wanted to connect to the AVR first, I just stated reasons for doing so. I only have 2 devices - Shield and Xbox.
I used an HDMI switch with an old TV that only had one (working) HDMI input. They are a pain to use.
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I didn't say I wanted to connect to the AVR first, I just stated reasons for doing so. I only have 2 devices - Shield and Xbox.
I used an HDMI switch with an old TV that only had one (working) HDMI input. They are a pain to use.
A pain? I hit one button on my remote. The associated devices turn on, go to the proper input, and any hdmi switch used also goes to the proper input. You cant get much easier than that.

Even when I used Component and svideo switches, I could do the same thing.

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1. Time for a new AVR
2. See #1
3. If I change my TV input from HDMI in to OTA, CEC changes everything else. And with CEC I never have to switch the HDMI in on the AVR. Just hitting a button a the remote will auto-switch everything.

Sorry, I don't consider any of those good reasons. But I do stream my local content with 4K and lossless audio. If your Internet is at least 20 Mbps, you have enough for 4K streaming. Netflix tops out at 16 Mbps, but I saw it reaching 2160 as low as 10 Mbps.

If that's good enough for you, fantastic. Glad you're happy with it. That's all that matters in the end.

Your AVR is probably detecting the OTA audio signal over the TV's ARC output to the AVR. Not everyone likes to use CEC so the input switching has to be set up using one of those Harmony set ups.
"I see no benefit to connecting any device directly to the display" I gave you some 'benefits' to doing so, but your 'technocentric' views didn't allow you to see them. They may not be good reasons to you, but with my equipment, I have no reason at all to connect to the AVR first. I would rather spend money on a good TV than an over the top AVR. My internet is 10-12Mbps. I can stream 4K HDR on Vudu, but I'm not sure how unless they cut the bit rate drastically, or they just switch to 1080P without letting me know. I doubt I could see any difference anyway without a settings display telling me what I'm watching. Same thing with lossless audio vs 5.1 (especially DTS). Isn't ripping 4K disks a PITA? It was hard enough to update my rips from SD to HD, but 4K rips, forget it. So much hype, so little money and time, alas!
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A pain? I hit one button on my remote. The associated devices turn on, go to the proper input, and any hdmi switch used also goes to the proper input. You cant get much easier than that.

Even when I used Component and svideo switches, I could do the same thing.

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That was years ago, the tech standards weren't implemented as well then. There were a bunch of choices of switches to buy, and getting one that worked as advertised was a crap shoot. Nothing is a pain to use once you get the right equipment and set it up to do what you want, but that's the 'trick'.
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Your AVR is probably detecting the OTA audio signal over the TV's ARC output to the AVR. Not everyone likes to use CEC so the input switching has to be set up using one of those Harmony set ups.
"I see no benefit to connecting any device directly to the display" I gave you some 'benefits' to doing so, but your 'technocentric' views didn't allow you to see them. They may not be good reasons to you, but with my equipment, I have no reason at all to connect to the AVR first. I would rather spend money on a good TV than an over the top AVR. My internet is 10-12Mbps. I can stream 4K HDR on Vudu, but I'm not sure how unless they cut the bit rate drastically, or they just switch to 1080P without letting me know. I doubt I could see any difference anyway without a settings display telling me what I'm watching. Same thing with lossless audio vs 5.1 (especially DTS). Isn't ripping 4K disks a PITA? It was hard enough to update my rips from SD to HD, but 4K rips, forget it. So much hype, so little money and time, alas!
Nope, it's all done by CEC. But I respect that others don't care for it. Again, your own satisfaction is all that matters at the end of the day.

Yes, your Internet speed is marginal at best for 4K. My DSL is 90 Mbps down/10 up, so I can even comfortably stream out from my server to my Roku Stick when I travel. I will also agree that 4K video can be difficult to discern with a screen smaller than 65", which all of mine are. But with HDR it's an incredible change from 1080 SDR. And I disagree about the quality of lossless vs. lossy audio. Yes, standard DTS is good, but DTS Master Audio is better, as is Dolby TrueHD. Add in the height channels (Atmos or DTS:X) and it's a different league. Even with a 5.1.2 setup (as I have in the bedroom) Atmos is noticeable.

I've only purchased a handful of UHD discs, and I don't even have a player. My optical drive in my computer (LG WH14NS40) isn't a UHD drive, but it does support the BDXL format, so it can read a UHD disc. MakeMKV rips each one as easily as it does DVDs or HD Blu Rays. Takes a little longer, which is to be expected. My i5-6400 with 8 GB of ram (Win 10) takes about 1:45 hours to do a typical movie. An HD Blu Ray is just over an hour, and a DVD takes about 25-30 minutes.

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I think others are being a bit too quick to pronounce VP9.2 dead because of the ad copy on a deleted Amazon listing. I'm optimistic YouTube HDR will be available, because there's really no reason Google wouldn't want the flagship android box to have it. It's open source... no reason not to. Also optimistic the stupid Netflix button means it'll get Atmos. Netflix is artificially holding back that capability, but Netflix rewards those who promote Netflix.

As for the "minor upgrade" complaints in the thread, this is an huge silicon upgrade from an ancient 20nm chip to the 16nm or 14nm used on the new Nintendo Switch. Nintendo used the chip shrink to lower power consumption, but the Shield is using it to boost performance 25% over what was already the king of streaming boxes.
Don't expect VP9 Profile 2 in the new Shield.

It's the same old SOC just using a newer manufacturing process.
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This makes no sense. The Shield already bitstreams HD audio. Also, I don't know why people keep asking for eARC on the Shield. Streaming devices don't need to support eARC. Only your TV and your receiver need to support eARC in the HDMI chain. The whole point of eARC is to send HD audio from your TV to your receiver.
Wouldn't you want that if you wanted to plug in your Shield to your TV directly and have Atmos pass to a receiver from the television vs. having to plug into the receiver's HDMI and being forced to use the surround sound every time? Just a guess, maybe I'm wrong on how that works exactly.
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Don't expect VP9 Profile 2 in the new Shield.

It's the same old SOC just using a newer manufacturing process.
They are saying 25% boost in power so it may be based on same design, but clearly clocking faster or made more efficient so that it looks like DV is added which requires horsepower within the chip or clock cycles, so why not add VP2 Profile 2. It would give it a serious edge to go head to head with the competition.
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Wouldn't you want that if you wanted to plug in your Shield to your TV directly and have Atmos pass to a receiver from the television vs. having to plug into the receiver's HDMI and being forced to use the surround sound every time? Just a guess, maybe I'm wrong on how that works exactly.
Being forced?? I consider it a privilege.
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I had no issues back then doing it with just IR.. It's even easier now with a combination of IR, network, and rf control. Plus I only need HDMI now.

In the old days you needed an optical cable for audio as well. Or even older, analog audio cables. I thought it was great back in 1995 with optical. But HDMi , with both audio and video in one cable makes things even easier.

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They are saying 25% boost in power so it may be based on same design, but clearly clocking faster or made more efficient so that it looks like DV is added which requires horsepower within the chip or clock cycles, so why not add VP2 Profile 2. It would give it a serious edge to go head to head with the competition.
Because VP9 Profile 2 needs hardware accelerated decode even with that CPU performance increase. The hardware is the same it seems so the hardware accelerated decoding likely won't be there.

To understand how this works look at how Nvidia adds these capabilities to their video cards. Newer but less capable video cards get features like VP9.2 hardware decoding because of a hardware change supports it. You can't add that via software to older cards even if they are more capable.

DV being added is also likely only to be a software change (with licensing). Probably too costly for Nvidia to add that to all the existing Shields. And it is a feature that will sell a lot of new Shields. That right there is why you don't add it to the existing devices.
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Don't expect VP9 Profile 2 in the new Shield.

It's the same old SOC just using a newer manufacturing process.


I expect it. AFAIK it’s also required for Google Play 4K/HDR. I have it on my Sony Android TV with the much less powerful SOC so I think this is possible.


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