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post #13201 of 13257 Old 11-26-2019, 06:32 PM
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So I had a really bad experience with my Shield, and that is rare for me.

This morning I ripped and uploaded a UHD copy of John Wick 3 to my NAS, and started screwing around with the Plex Media Server settings. I decided change the Data storage to from "Internal (system storage location)" to "Internal (user accessible storage location)", and the performance of the Shield went downhill from there. Plex would freeze, videos from Youtube would not stream, commands from my remote were delayed.

In the past I know there was a rule to "let things settle" after an update, specifically an OS update, so with that in mind, I left the Shield alone for about an hour or two, but performance still did not improve.

I reverted my Plex data storage back to "Internal (system storage location)" and after a few minutes, the issues were gone. Everything was back to being fast and responsive. I also didn't have to wait an hour for things to settle down, performance improvements were instant.
I don’t know what caused your problem but I, like most Plex users, moved a very large data library our of the system storage location a couple of years ago with zero performance issues. There’s no way you can back up your library unless you do it.
You might try optimizing and cleaning bundles first and try it again. Depending on the size of your library it can take from minutes to an hour. It’s not a Shield issue.

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I may try that. The retrieval of data after a reinstall is my concern and having to scrape all of my data again is what I would like to avoid.



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I may try that. The retrieval of data after a reinstall is my concern and having to scrape all of my data again is what I would like to avoid.



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I have a 64gig Sandisk Extreme Pro Micro SD card in my Shield. I've had it inserted since the DVR Beta became available back in 2017. It's a fast card that I used in my DSLR for a while so it has 90mb read/write speeds.

I would assume if I change the data storage process, the data would move over to the SD Card, correct, or no?

I'm going to perform the optimization tasks before moving the data over again, but wanted to be sure if this process will move the data to the SD Card.

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I have a 64gig Sandisk Extreme Pro Micro SD card in my Shield. I've had it inserted since the DVR Beta became available back in 2017. It's a fast card that I used in my DSLR for a while so it has 90mb read/write speeds.

I would assume if I change the data storage process, the data would move over to the SD Card, correct, or no?

I'm going to perform the optimization tasks before moving the data over again, but wanted to be sure if this process will move the data to the SD Card.

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It moves to either Internal Storage or your Sandisk to the "Android/data/com.plexapp.mediaserver.smb" directory depending on whether you select "internal user accessible" or your external SD card. Either way you can just copy over that directory to another folder or zip it up as a backup. The key is getting it accessible. I prefer the external drive method so it doesn't get wiped out if you have to do a factory reset and didn't save a recent backup.
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Ok, I performed the Analyze and Empty Trash options for each Category of content, then chose "Internal User Accessible".

Rebooted the Shield, and performance is much much better now. Apps are responsive, and videos play on all of the apps I have installed.

I have File X-Plore installed and I can see where the my Plex Data is now located on the SD Card.

I'm going to move this data over to my NAS as a backup.

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Ok, I performed the Analyze and Empty Trash options for each Category of content, then chose "Internal User Accessible".

Rebooted the Shield, and performance is much much better now. Apps are responsive, and videos play on all of the apps I have installed.

I have File X-Plore installed and I can see where the my Plex Data is now located on the SD Card.

I'm going to move this data over to my NAS as a backup.

Thanks for your assistance!!!

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Anytime. If you ever have to move or restore bookmark this link.

https://support.plex.tv/articles/201...-new-location/
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Hello guys, I am about to become new to the NVidia Shield, since I just ordered one from Amazon.
Can you confirm it will work Ok for me as I only intend to use it to play MKV with Loseless Dolby Atmos tracks from USB HDD conected directly into the USB on the shield.

I am not planning to use Plex to stream at all.

Will it work Ok for Atmos and 4K without buffering issues? I dont understand why the specs say: Passtrhough True HD/DTS X but it doesnt say the same for Atmos (passthrough missing)

If someone confirms it wont work for me, I am still within time to cancel the order.

Thanks in advance
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Hello guys, I am about to become new to the NVidia Shield, since I just ordered one from Amazon.
Can you confirm it will work Ok for me as I only intend to use it to play MKV with Loseless Dolby Atmos tracks from USB HDD conected directly into the USB on the shield.

I am not planning to use Plex to stream at all.

Will it work Ok for Atmos and 4K without buffering issues? I dont understand why the specs say: Passtrhough True HD/DTS X but it doesnt say the same for Atmos (passthrough missing)

If someone confirms it wont work for me, I am still within time to cancel the order.

Thanks in advance
It'll work fine.
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No worries. I guess as long as this continues to be a combined thread we all have to designate exactly which version of Shield we are referring to. Honestly it would be easier if they just made separate threads...
I was going to say the same thing.
2015/2017 and 2019 have different hardware and different software versions, plus their own hot fixes and own problems. It would be beneficial to split them both into their separate threads. The 2019 already has its own anyway.


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I dont understand why the specs say: Passtrhough True HD/DTS X but it doesnt say the same for Atmos (passthrough missing)

If it will passthrough Dolby TrueHD (DTHD) it'll pass through Atmos.



While Dolby Atmos and Dolby TrueHD are two separate soundtrack formats, Atmos data on Ultra HD Blu-ray is actually an extension to TrueHD that is folded into the bitstream to maintain backwards compatibility. Here’s how that works: If you play a disc with an Atmos soundtrack, the Atmos extension data is decoded by an Atmos-compatible receiver. If your receiver isn’t Atmos compatible, the extension data is ignored and the soundtrack is decoded as regular Dolby TrueHD.
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If it will passthrough Dolby TrueHD (DTHD) it'll pass through Atmos.

I do not believe that is accurate.

Just because a sink device can pass through Dolby TrueHD does not necessarily mean that it can do the same with a Dolby Atmos sound track. If it is not Atmos-compatible it will only pass through the TrueHD 7.1 audio without the Atmos metadata. Dolby Laboratories is notorious for maintaining strict control over its proprietary codecs and that is one of the reasons why Atmos and Dolby Vision are not readily conveyed unless the entire chain has met the established requirements (or received certification, as the case may be). See the below chart:



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My oppo BDP-83 passes through Atmos . Tested on Fury Road blu-Ray.

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The Shield will pass through the Lossless and Lossy Variants of Atmos, but this also depends on the app as well.

For the Lossy Variants, Selected titles from both Vudu and Amazon Prime will stream in Atmos.

For the Lossless Dolby TrueHD variant of Atmos, plus the DTSMA variant of DTS-X , apps such as Kodi, Plex, and MrMC will pass through these audio codecs.

On the 2019 Shields, these devices are capable of Decoding Atmos for apps such as Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Vudu. They cannot decode the Lossless variants of Atmos.

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I really wanted to purchase a Nvidia Sheild (2019) tube but reading the NVidia forum and this one makes me feel there is too many bugs just yet and I'm not interested in a one-way trip into hot fix land (stupid limitation). I'm even willing to accept the lack of HDR with Youtube.

I have an ATMOS home theater with a HDR 4K Win 10 HTPC and a Roku Ultra attached. With that combination of player devices I can get HDR, ATMOS and DTS:X out of Netflix, Prime and YouTube. The Win10 Plex app even does seamless HDR->SDR tonemapping surprisingly well (no stuttering or odd coloring). My projector is not Dolby Vision capable so that's not important at this time.

Of course I want the holy grail of a single streaming device that does HDR/ATMOS/DTS:X for all of the major streaming services which support those formats. Maybe Xiaomi's next Box S will upgrade it's hardware to match a beast like the BeeLink GT-King Pro but also be Android TV certified like the current Box S. If that happened I'd scoop it up in a second.

It is very sad that hardware is readily available but the in fighting about standards between services and vendors is keeping the public from getting true bang for the buck let alone full utilization of the products they purchase.


One last thing is that you should check out this YouTube video that discusses why HDR streams seem so dark often making watching in HDR unsatisfactory. He picks on Disney+ specifically but Netflix and Prime all have the same issues and they all need to demand more from the producers of their HDR content. See "
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Harmony Hub & nVidia Shield shut down problem

I can't believe that this is somehow an issue, but hoping the experts here might have a hint for me.

I'm using a Harmony Home Control remote, which is one of the Hub based models, with my home theater setup. 99% of the activities are working properly, except for something funky with the nVidia Shield.

For whatever reason, the End Sequence for the Shield will not turn off my projector. Doesn't sound like a Shield problem you say? I thought the same thing. But it is the only shut down activity that won't turn off the projector, even though it has the exact same sequence as my other devices / activities.

My toys include a Marantz 7010 receiver, Epson 5050 projector, Oppo 103, Roku Ultra, Panasonic UB420, and the Shield. Every other device's shut down routine turns off the projector. And I can turn off the projector manually in the remote's app.

I have CEC, HDMI control, and any other setting that I can think of turned OFF to make sure there isn't something funky in the chain, even though nothing is using CEC anyway.

Before i just wipe out my hub and rebuild all of the activities, does anyone have a suggestion?

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Can you add a PJ Off activity?
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I can't believe that this is somehow an issue, but hoping the experts here might have a hint for me.

I'm using a Harmony Home Control remote, which is one of the Hub based models, with my home theater setup. 99% of the activities are working properly, except for something funky with the nVidia Shield.

For whatever reason, the End Sequence for the Shield will not turn off my projector. Doesn't sound like a Shield problem you say? I thought the same thing. But it is the only shut down activity that won't turn off the projector, even though it has the exact same sequence as my other devices / activities.

My toys include a Marantz 7010 receiver, Epson 5050 projector, Oppo 103, Roku Ultra, Panasonic UB420, and the Shield. Every other device's shut down routine turns off the projector. And I can turn off the projector manually in the remote's app.

I have CEC, HDMI control, and any other setting that I can think of turned OFF to make sure there isn't something funky in the chain, even though nothing is using CEC anyway.

Before i just wipe out my hub and rebuild all of the activities, does anyone have a suggestion?
Did you delete just that activity and rebuild it? I have a Nvidia Shield as one of my streaming devices in my home theater and (I use a Harmony Elite) the activity for my Shield has no problems turning my PJ off just like all the rest of my activities. What is the sequence of your power off commands for your activities. Mine powers off the PJ first...honestly not sure that it matters. Also, check your hub assignments for what sends out the IR commands. Perhaps you need to add or re position a blaster to better hit the PJ.
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Did you delete just that activity and rebuild it? I have a Nvidia Shield as one of my streaming devices in my home theater and (I use a Harmony Elite) the activity for my Shield has no problems turning my PJ off just like all the rest of my activities. What is the sequence of your power off commands for your activities. Mine powers off the PJ first...honestly not sure that it matters. Also, check your hub assignments for what sends out the IR commands. Perhaps you need to add or re position a blaster to better hit the PJ.
I did, and it didn't seem to help. Thats why I'm so confused. I tried powering off the projector first, I tried it last with a delay, and nothing seemed to help.

Its honestly baffling. It works fine with my other activities, and the projector is part of the sequences for my Shield, Roku, Oppo 103 and Panny 420. All of them work fine. And its not like the device should even matter, since the Harmony just executes individual commands in sequence. Its not like there's a passthru or CEC or anything.

I may just factory reset the hub and rebuild all the activities. It is something weird having to do with the way the Harmony and the Shield interact, but I have no idea.

Thanks for your assistance nonetheless! happy holidays!
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Can you add a PJ Off activity?
Sure I could. But that somewhat defeats the point of having the shutdown sequences.
I tried adding a separate "off" command in the sequence, but that just turned the projector off if I switched from Shield to a different activity.
I'm definitely doing something wrong, but since the shutdown sequence is automatically created, and identical to the other shutdown sequences, i'm left scratching my head.

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I was going to suggest delays but it sounds like you tried that.

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I am having the same issue with the Shield/JVC power off sequence. Tried several things to no avail.

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That is a strange bug perhaps in the BT stack involving both devices. not the proj. The shield and the hub or 950 remote. Please try the following If not already.

Go into power down settings or the section when switching from activity to activity. Have the activity turn the proj off first and the shield off last. Can a delay be inserted to give the harmony and hub a few seconds to swap from BT to IR. Also attempt to enable IR only on JVC projector in general settings. Perhaps the hub is the misfire.

Last thing I would recommend is maybe learning a seperate power off command and adding that to the sequence assuming somehow the hex is broke when used with that particular activity. It can be something as simple as a sleep vs power command being issues that does nothing because of a dose error when used with Bluetooth.

I think at a last resort if I had a flirc for the 2019 shield I might try the IR device code for the 2017 model. to see If something is handled differently with power off.

I've had quite a bit of experience with the harmony's and have seen them do some strange things including come back to life after completely loosing all ir ability with emergency flash back to hub only. It strange how once second it works and then the next it does not... and you did nothing or changed nothing.

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Shield not able to stream Plex direct, but roku can??

So, I noticed in the last week or so that my shield is not able to direct stream/play my mkv files via Plex. It will start to play, and after about 20 seconds it says something along the lines of "connection not strong enough, check network".

The shield is connected via ethernet and I have a strong connection. I have tried uninstalling plex updates, restarting shield, etc.

The weird thing is, is that my roku (which is in another room) IS able to direct stream/play OVER WIFI. What the heck?? Is it time to upgrade to the new shield pro?
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Purchasing a newer Shield pro will not solve your problem. We need more details regarding the content you are streaming, plus your settings for Plex on the Shield, and Plex Media Server settings .

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I did, and it didn't seem to help. Thats why I'm so confused. I tried powering off the projector first, I tried it last with a delay, and nothing seemed to help.

Its honestly baffling. It works fine with my other activities, and the projector is part of the sequences for my Shield, Roku, Oppo 103 and Panny 420. All of them work fine. And its not like the device should even matter, since the Harmony just executes individual commands in sequence. Its not like there's a passthru or CEC or anything.

I may just factory reset the hub and rebuild all the activities. It is something weird having to do with the way the Harmony and the Shield interact, but I have no idea.

Thanks for your assistance nonetheless! happy holidays!
Did you find any resolution to this? I have the same exact problem with my Harmony Hub, Shield Pro 2019, and my Epson 6040. It is just so strange...

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Did you find any resolution to this? I have the same exact problem with my Harmony Hub, Shield Pro 2019, and my Epson 6040. It is just so strange...
I haven't had time to try @nc88keyz 's suggestion above. Did it not work for you?

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Purchasing a newer Shield pro will not solve your problem. We need more details regarding the content you are streaming, plus your settings for Plex on the Shield, and Plex Media Server settings .
I am trying to stream my blu ray collection, which is on an external hard drive, which connected to my brother's computer, which is connected to a gigabite internet connection, BUT which is located across the country from me.

I'm not 100% sure how he has the server set up, but I have no problem direct streaming the blu rays from my roku 3 in a different room via wifi, yet when I try to direct stream from the shield, which is hard-wired, it lags and buffers every 10 seconds. Other apps run just fine.

My internet connection is strong.

My shield/plex is set up as follows:
-Remote quality - Original
-Direct Play - Auto
-Direct Stream - On
-Passthrough - HDMI
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I am trying to stream my blu ray collection, which is on an external hard drive, which connected to my brother's computer, which is connected to a gigabite internet connection, BUT which is located across the country from me.

I'm not 100% sure how he has the server set up, but I have no problem direct streaming the blu rays from my roku 3 in a different room via wifi, yet when I try to direct stream from the shield, which is hard-wired, it lags and buffers every 10 seconds. Other apps run just fine.

My internet connection is strong.

My shield/plex is set up as follows:
-Remote quality - Original
-Direct Play - Auto
-Direct Stream - On
-Passthrough - HDMI

Before you do anything, check to see in the Shield's network settings that you are getting a Gig Connection. Also, replace the current ethernet cable with a known good working one.

It might help to connect your Shield via Wifi and see how it performs as well.

The reason why I saw replace the cable is because I was having issues with my HDHomeRUn network tuner a while back. TV Stations would constantly freeze up and the stations that had lower bandwidth played fine. I thought I may have to replace my Tuner, but out of curiosity, I replaced the ethernet cable on the tuner, and now those high bitrate channels stream fine without a hitch.

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