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I wonder if I'm layering my own problems by using the PlexKodiConnect (or any of the Plex/Kodi add-on / plugins) instead of just using one or the other.

I also use PlexKodiConnect with the latest version of Kodi and I don't have any issues with audio dropouts our otherwise. It's got to be a particular combination(s) of hardware that is causing problems. I've got a Denon AVR and a Sennheiser Ambeo soundbar both connected to 2015 model Shields and I've never experienced any audio drop outs on either system. That includes Disney titles and I own most of them in 4K UHD. I've never installed any of the hotfixes either. I wonder if the Kodi skin would have any affect on sound? I'm using Aeon Nox SiLVO - awesome skin btw.
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I have had no problems using the Live channels app on either of my 2017 Shield's via HDHomerun quattro and I've watched them daily for at least 5 days now!
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I have had no problems using the Live channels app on either of my 2017 Shield's via HDHomerun quattro and I've watched them daily for at least 5 days now!
The quattro doesn't get DRM channels if I'm not mistaken.

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a. You won't be able to install or update Disney+ from the Playstore if you haven't installed it yet or do a Factory reset on this image.
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I also use PlexKodiConnect with the latest version of Kodi and I don't have any issues with audio dropouts our otherwise. It's got to be a particular combination(s) of hardware that is causing problems. I've got a Denon AVR and a Sennheiser Ambeo soundbar both connected to 2015 model Shields and I've never experienced any audio drop outs on either system. That includes Disney titles and I own most of them in 4K UHD. I've never installed any of the hotfixes either. I wonder if the Kodi skin would have any affect on sound? I'm using Aeon Nox SiLVO - awesome skin btw.
Sure, sure, rub it in.

I'm using a Marantz 7010, so same manufacturer as Denon, although the models certainly may use different components. AND I'm using Aeon Nox Silvo. Which is, in fact, an awesome skin, particularly for managing multiple Plex libraries that Kodi would otherwise struggle with.

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Sure, sure, rub it in.

I'm using a Marantz 7010, so same manufacturer as Denon, although the models certainly may use different components. AND I'm using Aeon Nox Silvo. Which is, in fact, an awesome skin, particularly for managing multiple Plex libraries that Kodi would otherwise struggle with.
I also use Aeon Nox Silvo.

As I said, my solution for flawless Kodi playback was to buy two Amlogic based boxes and install Coreelec on them. It’s sad that the Shield has been consistently buggy for so long. I got tired of dealing with it.

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The developer for SPMC is part of MrMC now and many features from SPMC have been implemented into this app.

You can't make a blanket statement regarding Kodi when you have Shield/Kodi users that currently do not have the issues you have.

Kodi has been completely borked since Oreo, for whom? Not me.

Did I have audio dropouts when the latest big update dropped on our Shields, yes. Did the recent hotfixes cure this issue, for me it did, but not for others. Again, you can't make blanket statements regarding issues with a product when you have end-users not suffering from said issues.
Yes. And I've had no audio dropouts without installing any hotfixes.

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Yes. And I've had no audio dropouts without installing any hotfixes.
And yet they mentioned it in the recent hotfix and people have been discussing audio dropout/stuttering issues for years. So as I said, you’re going to have the inevitable “it’s fine for me” posts, there are plenty who’ve had issues.

So it’s fairly safe for me to make that “blanket statement” when I’m not alone in having the issue and Nvidia themselves acknowledges it (and has for at least as far back as the Oreo update).

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Yes. And I've had no audio dropouts without installing any hotfixes.
I've never had issues as well, until trying out the Atmos Abbey Road disc. I can confirm Kodi has problems with it.

Anyone know of what will play it on the Shield, except for Plex?

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I've never had issues as well, until trying out the Atmos Abbey Road disc. I can confirm Kodi has problems with it.

Anyone know of what will play it on the Shield, except for Plex?
Try Nova or VLC, either might work (although I don’t use them regularly).

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Try Nova or VLC, either might work (although I don’t use them regularly).
VLC doesn't work. It'll play the DTS-MA track fine, but won't play the Atmos track at all. Will give Nova a try.

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Try Nova or VLC, either might work (although I don’t use them regularly).
Maybe apples and oranges. but with my '19 Shield (tube) VLC isn't giving me DTS-MA, only straight DTS. It's doing TrueHD no problem. I tried MrMC and with a TrueHD title my audio indicator on my AVR kept flashing on and off, along with the audio going in and out. I tried the same track with Kodi and it played perfectly. This Shield just received the 8.1.1 update today, never had any hotfixes.

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Sure, sure, rub it in.

I'm using a Marantz 7010, so same manufacturer as Denon, although the models certainly may use different components. AND I'm using Aeon Nox Silvo. Which is, in fact, an awesome skin, particularly for managing multiple Plex libraries that Kodi would otherwise struggle with.

Sorry, not trying to "rub it in". Just trying to understand why some owners have the issues and some don't.
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Maybe apples and oranges. but with my '19 Shield (tube) VLC isn't giving me DTS-MA, only straight DTS. It's doing TrueHD no problem. I tried MrMC and with a TrueHD title my audio indicator on my AVR kept flashing on and off, along with the audio going in and out. I tried the same track with Kodi and it played perfectly. This Shield just received the 8.1.1 update today, never had any hotfixes.
Nova is a decent player, has framerate matching and Trakt integration. Try that.

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Nova is a decent player, has framerate matching and Trakt integration. Try that.
Just tried Nova, negative, doesn't work. It'll play the other tracks, but once selecting the True HD Atmos track, sending static sound only. I tried it with both of the passthrough options.

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Is this Abbey Road disc set you're describing the Anniversary Edition.?

I'm curious if Atmos would work with the likes of Kodi or MrMC with the bit-perfect method I described a few months ago.

For Kodi and preferably MrMC

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Hadn't heard of Nova, so I installed it. Everything I tried to play I got an Unable to Play message. Absolutely nothing would play.

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Is this Abbey Road disc set you're describing the Anniversary Edition.?

I'm curious if Atmos would work with the likes of Kodi or MrMC with the bit-perfect method I described a few months ago.

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Just tried those settings with Kodi, a no-go on the Dolby TrueHD Atmos track. DTS-HD MA still played fine.

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Just tried those settings with Kodi, a no-go on the Dolby TrueHD Atmos track. DTS-HD MA still played fine.


If it’s a high bitrate audio track, the Shield just can’t do it, even though it says it can.


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If it’s a high bitrate audio track, the Shield just can’t do it, even though it says it can.


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I understand what you're saying, and I guess it is what it is for the time being. But for the life of me, the Shield can decode video at higher bitrates, but can't simply pass-through this audio. (According to MediaInfo, it's variable with a max of 16Mbps). Doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Have you tried MrMC?

I find working with MrMC when it comes to high bitrate audio is easier than working with Kodi.

Also,are then any demos for Atmos audio to download?

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If it’s a high bitrate audio track, the Shield just can’t do it, even though it says it can.


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What do you mean by high bitrate? What's the cutoff bitrate where the Shield won't pass it through?
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I understand what you're saying, and I guess it is what it is for the time being. But for the life of me, the Shield can decode video at higher bitrates, but can't simply pass-through this audio. (According to MediaInfo, it's variable with a max of 16Mbps). Doesn't make a lot of sense.
I haven't tried any high bitrate audio tracks on both my S912 and S922 based Coreelec boxes but now I'm tempted to. Any samples of this around the net?

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What do you mean by high bitrate? What's the cutoff bitrate where the Shield won't pass it through?


Anything more than stereo AND above 48/24 uncompressed, the Shield will struggle with.

Some apps are smart enough to downsample to 48/24, others don’t, and the Shield chokes.

Example, the Delicate Sound of Thunder concert film from the new Pink Floyd box. Plays fine on DTS, or the stereo track, but bump it to the surround track at DTSMA and it stutters if your app isn’t smart enough to downsample it.



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Anything more than stereo AND above 48/24 uncompressed, the Shield will struggle with.

Some apps are smart enough to downsample to 48/24, others don’t, and the Shield chokes.

Example, the Delicate Sound of Thunder concert film from the new Pink Floyd box. Plays fine on DTS, or the stereo track, but bump it to the surround track at DTSMA and it stutters if your app isn’t smart enough to downsample it.



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Hmmm, that's interesting, I know with FLAC the Shield auto downsamples everything to 48, but I do not believe that is because it can't handle it, it is a "feature" of Android itself. People in this thread have used (myself included) MRMC to correct this "feature", and I have not had issues with higher res files.

But I am talking about FLAC with is output as Multi Channel PCM, maybe the issue here is super high res bitstreamed audio?

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So you are saying that the Shield can't play any high bitrate audio files like DTS-MA or True-HD/Atmos without stuttering?

That's funny, cause it can play the Akira Blu-ray with its 14340kbps 24bit/192kHz TrueHD audio track buttery smooth.
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So you are saying that the Shield can't play any high bitrate audio files like DTS-MA or True-HD/Atmos without stuttering?

That's funny, cause it can play the Akira Blu-ray with its 14340kbps 24bit/192kHz TrueHD audio track buttery smooth.
Yeah, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. That track is pretty close to the Beatles track regarding bitrate, and we're just talking pass-through, not decoding.

I even remuxed the Beatles disc into a MKV with just the TrueHD track, and it does the same thing. I'm now wondering if it's just the track itself.

Though I'm guessing it is some kind of throughput problem, as it does play it, but cuts in and out.

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I do full 1:1 backups of my 4K Blu-rays and I have yet to play any of them back that the Shield cannot handle.
I have issues (buffering, etc.) with Plex on the Shield and other devices only when using a wireless connection. Everything plays fine (including 4k HDR titles) when using an ethernet connection.

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I do full 1:1 backups of my 4K Blu-rays and I have yet to play any of them back that the Shield cannot handle.
Try the Beatles Abbey Road Blu-Ray if you can get your hands on it. Track 4 is TrueHD Atmos, which is causing problems.

With that said, I believe this disc is the first Atmos music disc, so maybe there is an issue.

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Yeah, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. That track is pretty close to the Beatles track regarding bitrate, and we're just talking pass-through, not decoding.

I even remuxed the Beatles disc into a MKV with just the TrueHD track, and it does the same thing. I'm now wondering if it's just the track itself.

Though I'm guessing it is some kind of throughput problem, as it does play it, but cuts in and out.
I'll try the Beatles disc later this week and see if I can duplicate it. Although I have to agree with @mutelight , I have not had a single audio track that from any disc that the Shield could not playback perfectly.

I do suspect network issues with some people's connections as the Shield seems to have network dropouts at random times. I haven't had them lately since I upgraded my entire network chain.
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