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Ordered direct from Roku on Friday, received Ultra yesterday. Set up easy but bit of a pain to log in to my many channels. Trouble logging into HBOGO as the Roku automatically downloaded the HBONOW app instead, until I figured out the problem.

Colors are richer, blacks are better on my 1080p LG 65" (My 70" LG UHD arrives Monday.)

Ultra is much faster than my other Rokus. Love the point anywhere remote. Too many buttons on remote so more difficult using it in dark room.

Now setup with Optical Out to 1080p receiver (in preparation for a direct HDMI cable to UHD tv with Optical Out to 1080p 9.2 receiver) as well as HDMI to receiver with Roku set to 1080p for now. So I can compare the audio stream.

Audio through Optical very disappointing until I checked into the Audio Settings on Ultra. Auto (default setting) and another setting send just pcm 2-channel to Optical while surround sound goes through HDMI. The Ultra tells you on screen what will happen as you toggle through the choices. Changed setting to DD & DTS and finally got some good surround equal to the HDMI 5.1 audio with some sub woofer rumbling into my chair's shakers.

Which all leads to my question? The only affordable HDMI splitter is just 2.0 and would send the UHD video to the tv and high rez audio to the receiver (not planning to replace it) but at the expense of HDR (need hdmi 2.0a for that).

The colors are now so vivid that I can't imagine any major improvement with HDR, so do I sacrifice HDR to get DD+ and higher audio or keep the optical cable's DD,DTS (with enhancements from my Yamaha Advantage) and keep the HDR?

How important is HDR for the 4K viewing experience?

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There is a 4k showcase app that it prompted me to install during setup.

I use it constantly now as it is a compilation of 4k TV and movies, subdivided by hdr and 4k

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I wish Roku would at least send an email with tracking number. I'm hoping mine has shipped already but have no way to track it. I checked the My USPS site and it didn't show any packages. But I also got the slow/free shipping option.

I might just need to re-subscribe to Netflix sooner than I planned to check out the Ultra.
I called Roku and got the tracking number that way. Mine is supposed to get to me by tomorrow.

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Could anyone verify that when playing back 4k HDR material From Amazon/Netflix are you seeing [email protected] in 4:4:4 or is it 4:2:0?
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Like the ultra it so far. PQ is very good, remote feels good, size is not as large as the 4. Do NOT like the asterisk doesn't pull up the netflix debug menu anymore.

I set mine up for UHD only, no HDR, and UHD Luke Cage looks great, as well as UHD Mad Dogs on Amazon. Obvious difference on Amazon between 1080p tv shows and their UHD stuff. Have some images attached, the resolution and color space is what I get on both netflix and amazon with HDR off, which is to be expected. Will definitely use this over my Panny 900 player. The 16,000 kbps pic is from the Netflix test video, wanted to verify it hit 16,000 with ease.





Mine is up and running fine. My only problem is I keep pushing the microphone button instead of the OK button on the new remote control. It's going to take some time getting used to them moving it. The voice search feature seems to be fairly speedy also. Unless there is some kind of nasty bug that pops up, it looks like a keeper.
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Mine is up and running fine. My only problem is I keep pushing the microphone button instead of the OK button on the new remote control. It's going to take some time getting used to them moving it. The voice search feature seems to be fairly speedy also. Unless there is some kind of nasty bug that pops up, it looks like a keeper.
Ditto that, but mine will be a keeper as I got that $50.00 discount and that helps alleviate any painful bugs

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Ordered direct from Roku on Friday, received Ultra yesterday. Set up easy but bit of a pain to log in to my many channels. Trouble logging into HBOGO as the Roku automatically downloaded the HBONOW app instead, until I figured out the problem.

Colors are richer, blacks are better on my 1080p LG 65" (My 70" LG UHD arrives Monday.)

Ultra is much faster than my other Rokus. Love the point anywhere remote. Too many buttons on remote so more difficult using it in dark room.

Now setup with Optical Out to 1080p receiver (in preparation for a direct HDMI cable to UHD tv with Optical Out to 1080p 9.2 receiver) as well as HDMI to receiver with Roku set to 1080p for now. So I can compare the audio stream.

Audio through Optical very disappointing until I checked into the Audio Settings on Ultra. Auto (default setting) and another setting send just pcm 2-channel to Optical while surround sound goes through HDMI. The Ultra tells you on screen what will happen as you toggle through the choices. Changed setting to DD & DTS and finally got some good surround equal to the HDMI 5.1 audio with some sub woofer rumbling into my chair's shakers.

Which all leads to my question? The only affordable HDMI splitter is just 2.0 and would send the UHD video to the tv and high rez audio to the receiver (not planning to replace it) but at the expense of HDR (need hdmi 2.0a for that).

The colors are now so vivid that I can't imagine any major improvement with HDR, so do I sacrifice HDR to get DD+ and higher audio or keep the optical cable's DD,DTS (with enhancements from my Yamaha Advantage) and keep the HDR?

How important is HDR for the 4K viewing experience?

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Once I watched HDR I'll never go back to SDR if I have the choice. It really has to be experienced to appreciate. When you get your TV there are some demos you can download from http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?tag=hdr and play back via a USB drive to see the potential of HDR. I think you'll find that the picture is a lot more vivid with more detail than SDR. It's not just the resolution.

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Could anyone verify that when playing back 4k HDR material From Amazon/Netflix are you seeing [email protected] in 4:4:4 or is it 4:2:0?
I couldn't tell you because my AVR only tells me it's a 4k/60, bt.2020 color, and 10bit signal.

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As I mentioned above I can't get HDR to work with my Vizio m70-d3, however in 4k mode, netflix is at 60hz on the roku ultra, and I see no way to make it 24hz. Using other devices 24hz 4k on netflix is fine.
How do you know what you are getting? Is it in the settings?
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I know there isn't any DV uhd discs. I am only referring to the vudu movies. Up until recently movies like man of steel, oblivion and edge of tomorrow were only available in 4K in HDR with DV and Atmos on vudu but now they have been released on uhd blu(except edge of tomorrow) in HDR 10 and Atmos which means if they weren't before they are now encoded in HDR 10. So I would think the HDR 10 metadata is available for those movies if the studios chose to update the digital copies of those movies when vudu support for it comes.

I could be wrong and they may not and they may stay DV only like you say but you and I are talking about the same thing but are on 2 completely different pages lol. I understand the digital copies for streaming can be DV only unlike the uhd discs but being those movies are now on discs means there is an encode with HDR 10 even if the movie was only encoded in DV previously for streaming thus me thinking they could just update the digital version of the film to have an HDR 10 version since it seams to be the more widely supported option.

Anyway it's no biggie and I could be wrong. It was just a thought with some wishful thinking I guess. Any movies I purchase are on disc anyway but it would be wonderful for movies I'd rent that are right now only in DV and Atmos digitally.
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Got it, set it up, looks great. Is there a way to change what is associated with the direct buttons? I liked the Amazon button and don't have Hulu.

Also did they fix the not turning on issue by removing off? I see no power settings or off setting.

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Got it, set it up, looks great. Is there a way to change what is associated with the direct buttons? I liked the Amazon button and don't have Hulu.

Also did they fix the not turning on issue by removing off? I see no power settings or off setting.
I didn't find a way to turn it off either so I just let it go to screensaver. As for the buttons I looked all over the settings and couldn't find a way to change that. I don't use Hulu either nor do I use Showtime or SlingTV. I'd have rather them put 4 quick select buttons we can assign ourselves to be honest.

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Roku Premium+ (HDR version) Issue:

Ok so let me go over my settings and maybe someone can see what the issue is. First, I'm getting no picture if I run it through my reciever AFTER I tried to play Daredevil Season 1 Episode 1 on Neflix HDR version. Here's my setup:

1. Pioneer VSX-90
2. Setting on HDMI 1 is for either 4:4:4 or 4:2:0, won't matter, no video. I get audio just fine. The video worked UNTIL I tried to watch an HDR program on Netflix, then it just went to audio only, no video.
3. Setting on ROKU (this worked before I tried to watch something in HDR on Netflix mind you as it was running through the reciever prior to the video going POOF) is for 4K UHD HDR TV.

I now have the Roku going into my p75 directly and it seems fine, but no Atmos through ARC correct?

Appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks!
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Roku Premium+ (HDR version) Issue:

Ok so let me go over my settings and maybe someone can see what the issue is. First, I'm getting no picture if I run it through my reciever AFTER I tried to play Daredevil Season 1 Episode 1 on Neflix HDR version. Here's my setup:

1. Pioneer VSX-90
2. Setting on HDMI 1 is for either 4:4:4 or 4:2:0, won't matter, no video. I get audio just fine. The video worked UNTIL I tried to watch an HDR program on Netflix, then it just went to audio only, no video.
3. Setting on ROKU (this worked before I tried to watch something in HDR on Netflix mind you as it was running through the reciever prior to the video going POOF) is for 4K UHD HDR TV.

I now have the Roku going into my p75 directly and it seems fine, but no Atmos through ARC correct?

Appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks!
I would still think that you should get Atmos over ARC on the applicable Vudu UHD titles, right?

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Did any one try DLNA, and local media 4k files in 60hz with and without Atoms.
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Did any one try DLNA, and local media 4k files in 60hz with and without Atoms.
Atmos does not work with the media player. it will play some but not all hdr files though. I have a few demos from LG that wouldn't load.

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How important is HDR for the 4K viewing experience?
HDR is more important than 4k.
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I didn't find a way to turn it off either so I just let it go to screensaver. As for the buttons I looked all over the settings and couldn't find a way to change that. I don't use Hulu either nor do I use Showtime or SlingTV. I'd have rather them put 4 quick select buttons we can assign ourselves to be honest.

It's funny, my main hope for getting this was to fix not having it on all the time, (my solution for the 4 not turning back on) guess I'll live with it. I agree I also don't have sling and get Showtime from Dish. But Netflix & Amazon I liked having the button right there. Hopefully they will let us assign them some day.

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HDR is more important than 4k.
Yes. HDR can be seen at any distance. while you need to be very close to see the 4k resolution difference.

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Like the ultra it so far. PQ is very good, remote feels good, size is not as large as the 4. Do NOT like the asterisk doesn't pull up the netflix debug menu anymore.

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Jase,could you verify if your getting 24p on certain apps like the one gentleman in prior post's said.

Also,could you tell me the color space for Vudu UHD is, ie. BT2020 or is it like Netflix 4:2:0 8 Bit 60hz.

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HDR is more important than 4k.
Thanks for the responses.

Two avs voices have convinced me that hdr is the way to go and to not get the hdmi 2.0 splitter but just stay with optical audio to my avr and hdmi direct to the tv.

Interesting that I was earlier able to switch my receiver hdmi inputs to go between optical and hdmi audio when watching Netflix, but when watching Amazon Prime Video, the switch from hdmi to optical (no picture) brought up the hdcp 2.2 error screen (I switched back to hdmi input when I realized that there was no audio from optical input and then saw the error screen) and I had to start the program over.

Once I made the change in the Roku Audio Settings menu to just output DD,DTS, most audio 5.1 sounded equal between optical and hdmi, at least on Netflix.

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Thanks for the responses.

Two avs voices have convinced me that hdr is the way to go and to not get the hdmi 2.0 splitter but just stay with optical audio to my avr and hdmi direct to the tv.

Interesting that I was earlier able to switch my receiver hdmi inputs to go between optical and hdmi audio when watching Netflix, but when watching Amazon Prime Video, the switch from hdmi to optical (no picture) brought up the hdcp 2.2 error screen (I switched back to hdmi input when I realized that there was no audio from optical input and then saw the error screen) and I had to start the program over.

Once I made the change in the Roku Audio Settings menu to just output DD,DTS, most audio 5.1 sounded equal between optical and hdmi, at least on Netflix.

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The biggest difference would be from Vudu which supports Dolby Atmos via a DD+ container but only via HDMI.

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Got my ultra today. I can play 4k HDR from Amazon, and have seen some spectacular HDR demos on YouTube. The problem is that no title shows as UHD on Netflix. Yes I subscribe to the highest level of Netflix, and my smart TV (Samsung JS9000) has UHD Amazon titles on it's apps. Not showing up through the Ultra. I have deleted and reinstalled the Netflix app, no luck.
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The movies encoded on disc are not the same as what they will use for streaming. To support both formats they have to encode it that way and since there are zero DV UHD discs...well, they have to do them over. They aren't going to have a DV version and an HDR10 version on their server as that's a waste of space. They may do them all again, adding an HDR10 layer into the DV stream. I hope they do anyway, but seeing as Amazon didn't do that for some of their content I'm not holding my breath if you know what I'm saying.
Ok I think we are finally on the same page lol. So I was wrong and they can't just use the HDR10 metadata from the version on the discs and just add it. Then I like you hope they re do them to contain both cause like your comment earlier I also no longer like watching anything non HDR. Once you been spoiled it is hard to go back.

At first I was only buying discs of movies I already had on Blu-ray if they contained a new immersive audio track. Now I have even upgraded most of my titles that are available on UHD Blu-ray. I already pre-ordered all of the Bourne movies and others taking advantage of Best Buy's buy one get one %50 off.

Anyway I am just glad more services and devices are adding HDR support period.
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Got my ultra today. I can play 4k HDR from Amazon, and have seen some spectacular HDR demos on YouTube. The problem is that no title shows as UHD on Netflix. Yes I subscribe to the highest level of Netflix, and my smart TV (Samsung JS9000) has UHD Amazon titles on it's apps. Not showing up through the Ultra. I have deleted and reinstalled the Netflix app, no luck.


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I thought so.......maybe not. For sure it was 2160 30p
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Got my ultra today. I can play 4k HDR from Amazon, and have seen some spectacular HDR demos on YouTube. The problem is that no title shows as UHD on Netflix. Yes I subscribe to the highest level of Netflix, and my smart TV (Samsung JS9000) has UHD Amazon titles on it's apps. Not showing up through the Ultra. I have deleted and reinstalled the Netflix app, no luck.
I bought the Premiere+ yesterday. I don't have an HDR tv, but I do have a 4K Visio M50-C1 (2015 model) and a Sony HT-R5 soundbar. I can get Amazon and Youtube to play at 4K, but Netflix always stays at 1080p, even though the show is listed in the Ultra HD category. The Roku is connected to HDMI 1 on the soundbar, and the soundbar is connected to HDMI 5 on the tv. If I just go to Netflix on the TV app, Ultra HD works perfectly.

Is there a trick to getting Netflix Ultra HD shows to work on these Rokus?
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Got my ultra today. I can play 4k HDR from Amazon, and have seen some spectacular HDR demos on YouTube. The problem is that no title shows as UHD on Netflix. Yes I subscribe to the highest level of Netflix, and my smart TV (Samsung JS9000) has UHD Amazon titles on it's apps. Not showing up through the Ultra. I have deleted and reinstalled the Netflix app, no luck.
Youtube has nothing in HDR and anything labled as such is not sending any metadata.

Please clarify what's going on with the Roku. Unless I'm misunderstanding you claim Amazon works but Netflix does not is this right? You mention your TV has Amazon UHD stuff available which would have nothing to do with the Roku. Just to clarify are you able to get anything in HDR through the roku?
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I bought the Premiere+ yesterday. I don't have an HDR tv, but I do have a 4K Visio M50-C1 (2015 model) and a Sony HT-R5 soundbar. I can get Amazon and Youtube to play at 4K, but Netflix always stays at 1080p, even though the show is listed in the Ultra HD category. The Roku is connected to HDMI 1 on the soundbar, and the soundbar is connected to HDMI 5 on the tv. If I just go to Netflix on the TV app, Ultra HD works perfectly.

Is there a trick to getting Netflix Ultra HD shows to work on these Rokus?
Try going directly into the TV and verify this doesn't change anything. It's possible there is a HDCP mismatch that locks Netflix to 1080p.

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