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Try another software update. When I did that on my Roku stick, I got App updates for YouTube and the Roku Media Player.
I'll do you one better, since I did a factory reset on it as part of troubleshooting I'll finish that process and set it up as a new device so everything is fresh just to make sure.
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Just got my two 6' Monoprice Certified cables from Amazon. They both came in silver bags with the certified sticker on it. I replaced both the run from the Roku to my AVR and the AVR to my TV. Will do some testing to see if it helps with the chirps (note again I wasn't having purple HDCP errors except for an occasional brief flash). The cables I replaced are the Amazon Basics latest spec.

The Monoprice cables are very rigid. I really need to measure how much I really need and buy smaller lengths.

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@naustin . All is good now set the Roku stick up brand new and the debug code from youtube is gone.
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@naustin . All is good now set the Roku stick up brand new and the debug code from youtube is gone.
Probably the App updates helped. I'll check my Ultra later, though the two devices seem to get different App updates.
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Just got my two 6" Monoprice Certified cables from Amazon.
... I really need to measure how much I really need and buy smaller lengths.

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I wouldn't go smaller than 6"
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Just got my two 6" Monoprice Certified cables from Amazon. They both came in silver bags with the certified sticker on it. I replaced both the run from the Roku to my AVR and the AVR to my TV. Will do some testing to see if it helps with the chirps (note again I wasn't having purple HDCP errors except for an occasional brief flash). The cables I replaced are the Amazon Basics latest spec.

The Monoprice cables are very rigid. I really need to measure how much I really need and buy smaller lengths.

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Yeah, that is my observation as well. I tried the Monoprice first, then gambled on the thinner Amazon Basics latest spec. Fortunately either works for me. FYI, thick & certified is probably better.
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@naustin : Also wanted to mention to you the new Youtube app also seems to have fixed the slow scrubbing of videos on the streaming stick So it looks like I can put the Ultra away and just use the stick in the bedroom and Premiere+ in the Living room. Come to think of it I never really think I needed the Ultra to begin with having used the Premier+ in my setup. For USB. The TV has the android media player, and VLC installed, plus a usb 3 port. So, I'll probably get more from the TV then I got from the Roku as a local media player, as well as the Xbox.
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@naustin : Also wanted to mention to you the new Youtube app also seems to have fixed the slow scrubbing of videos on the streaming stick So it looks like I can put the Ultra away and just use the stick in the bedroom and Premiere+ in the Living room. Come to think of it I never really think I needed the Ultra to begin with having used the Premier+ in my setup. For USB. The TV has the android media player, and VLC installed, plus a usb 3 port. So, I'll probably get more from the TV then I got from the Roku as a local media player, as well as the Xbox.
A builtin licensed Dolby decoder and optical output are the primary differences in the price of the two boxes IMHO. Dolby Labs doesn't give those away free.

Edit: Also the Ultra has a Voice search like my FireTV2. Dolby & Voice software rather than ports are probably the cost drivers.

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A bbuiltin licensed Dolby decoder and optical output are the primary differences in the price of the two boxes IMHO. Dolby Labs doesn't give those away free.

Well true, but while I use a 2.1 setup in the living room, and the tv speakers in the bedroom dolby isn't needed since it's just stereo, neither is the optical on the Ultra because both TVs have optical out that can pass 5.1 audio if I come to a point where I want a full surround system.
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Yeah, that is my observation as well. I tried the Monoprice first, then gambled on the thinner Amazon Basics latest spec. Fortunately either works for me. FYI, thick & certified is probably better.
i settled with the Amazon Basic Latest i have one going to my AVR and then one going from My AVR to the TV. It's been running very smoothly knock on wood for the last couple days, nothing really to complain about. the only time i have Issues has been trying the watch the Man in the High Castle in HDR. but what i do is switch from 4:2:2 to 4:2:0 then back to 4:2:2 for some reason for me that seems to settle things might be A placebo thing and might just be in my mind that that fixes it for me. But could someone watch the HDR version of the Man in The High Castle season 2 episode 10 right at the beginning when John Smith enters his room and he Relives seeing Washington being nuked.

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I was curious, do you only get HDR on amazon, if you pay for prime? I have an amazon video library but it's mainly stuff I've purchased.

In fact the only thing I care about that's still in there, is Saved by the bell, the college years" as I like older stuff in most cases.

I was asking about prime because I searched for some 4k stuff and never saw an option for UHD purchases on amazon video.
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I was curious, do you only get HDR on amazon, if you pay for prime? I have an amazon video library but it's mainly stuff I've purchased.

In fact the only thing I care about that's still in there, is Saved by the bell, the college years" as I like older stuff in most cases.

I was asking about prime because I searched for some 4k stuff and never saw an option for UHD purchases on amazon video.
You can see the UHD options to buy here:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/stor...F8&merchId=uhd

Mainly movies and tv shows. I wouldn't bother with buying any UHD from Amazon. Much better to buy codes for Vudu UHD movies. Hopefully Vudu enables HDR10 soon.

All of Amazon's original shows are Prime only I believe. You can subscribe to a Prime Video only option if you don't want the shipping.

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You can see the UHD options to buy here:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/stor...F8&merchId=uhd

Mainly movies and tv shows. I wouldn't bother with buying any UHD from Amazon. Much better to buy codes for Vudu UHD movies. Hopefully Vudu enables HDR10 soon.

All of Amazon's original shows are Prime only I believe. You can subscribe to a Prime Video only option if you don't want the shipping.

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That's what I usually do, for media management. I stick with VUDU, and iTunes for the primary services because Apple is my primary platform and then the Roku, windows android, etc are secondary for me.

Im not even really happy with the quality of Netflix 4k HDR compared to blu-ray 4k. HDR. It just seems too soft and compressed. VUDU UHD from what I've seen is acceptable as I have a few UHD movies in VUDU.
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That's what I usually do, for media management. I stick with VUDU, and iTunes for the primary services because Apple is my primary platform and then the Roku, windows android, etc are secondary for me.

Im not even really happy with the quality of Netflix 4k HDR compared to blu-ray 4k. HDR. It just seems too soft and compressed. VUDU UHD from what I've seen is acceptable as I have a few UHD movies in VUDU.
Agreed.....I've never been impressed with Netflix 4K. All the Marvel shows for example all have grain added so none really look that much better than the HD versions. House of Cards is nice looking though, although not HDR. That's where I do like the Amazon UHD with HDR as those are some pretty nice streams. I'm all Vudu for movies/tv - so really looking forward to Vudu adding HDR10 (if they would just get off their butts and do it!!). UHD streams really depend on the source. A lot of movies are simply 2K upcoverts and honestly some don't look any better than the HDX version in Vudu.

Nothing will really compare to BR 4K with the bandwidth.....but I'm too lazy and cheap to buy BRs.

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Agreed.....I've never been impressed with Netflix 4K. All the Marvel shows for example all have grain added so none really look that much better than the HD versions. House of Cards is nice looking though, although not HDR. That's where I do like the Amazon UHD with HDR as those are some pretty nice streams. I'm all Vudu for movies/tv - so really looking forward to Vudu adding HDR10 (if they would just get off their butts and do it!!). UHD streams really depend on the source. A lot of movies are simply 2K upcoverts and honestly some don't look any better than the HDX version in Vudu.

Nothing will really compare to BR 4K with the bandwidth.....but I'm too lazy and cheap to buy BRs.

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@kbmb : Kevin, last time I was at Walmart they had the Philips 4k HDR blu-ray player for 180. I think that's a great deal for a 4k bd player. Especially if you just want a basic player that can play the discs.
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That's what I usually do, for media management. I stick with VUDU, and iTunes for the primary services because Apple is my primary platform and then the Roku, windows android, etc are secondary for me.

Im not even really happy with the quality of Netflix 4k HDR compared to blu-ray 4k. HDR. It just seems too soft and compressed. VUDU UHD from what I've seen is acceptable as I have a few UHD movies in VUDU.
Also if you check the rent/buy list provided its UHD/HDR and the same with Prime/free shows. There are more UHD or 4K shows than HDR. Still I find the UHD is pretty sharp on Amazon. A lot of the NetFlix HDR is shot on film so it is inherently softer than video plus there is that compression vs discs.
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@kbmb : Kevin, last time I was at Walmart they had the Philips 4k HDR blu-ray player for 180. I think that's a great deal for a 4k bd player. Especially if you just want a basic player that can play the discs.
I have owned that player for about a year, it will also play 50 hz discs if you TV will accept 50 hz input. Only Apps are Netflix (HDR) and YouTube; not sure about the YouTube quality.
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I have owned that player for about a year, it will also play 50 hz discs if you TV will accept 50 hz input. Only Apps are Netflix (HDR) and YouTube; not sure about the YouTube quality.
Does it support DLNA playback, and if so does it bitstream Dolby TrueHD and DTS MasterAudio? It seems BD players are dropping support for HD audio over DLNA.

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@naustin : since I already have the Xbox one S, would it be a good idea to still pick up a stand alone UHD disc player? or would it be pointless since I have the console, the Roku, and an appleTV plus android TV built into my Sony 4k tv.
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You can see the UHD options to buy here:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/stor...F8&merchId=uhd

Mainly movies and tv shows. I wouldn't bother with buying any UHD from Amazon. Much better to buy codes for Vudu UHD movies. Hopefully Vudu enables HDR10 soon.

All of Amazon's original shows are Prime only I believe. You can subscribe to a Prime Video only option if you don't want the shipping.

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I don't think Amazon has updated this page in months as there are a lot more offerings than shown here.

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I don't think Amazon has updated this page in months as there are a lot more offerings than shown here.
If only Amazon would join Ultraviolet!!

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Does it support DLNA playback, and if so does it bitstream Dolby TrueHD and DTS MasterAudio? It seems BD players are dropping support for HD audio over DLNA.
I don't really know about DLNA playback but there is a forum where someone should know the answer. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post42541545
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@naustin : since I already have the Xbox one S, would it be a good idea to still pick up a stand alone UHD disc player? or would it be pointless since I have the console, the Roku, and an appleTV plus android TV built into my Sony 4k tv.
Probably not if the Xbox One S plays HDR discs to your satisfaction.
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Probably not if the Xbox One S plays HDR discs to your satisfaction.
For now that's the way to look at it. I will consider getting one or another device, if I ever have more 4k HDR issues. It might help just to have a third device to test.
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@kbmb : Kevin, last time I was at Walmart they had the Philips 4k HDR blu-ray player for 180. I think that's a great deal for a 4k bd player. Especially if you just want a basic player that can play the discs.
Thanks for the info. Right now I'm staying all digital. I know physical media is better, I just don't want the investment in discs right now. We had over 600 stolen a few years back and decided not to get back into the disc game. I'm sitting at 1400+ movies in Vudu - but that's all codes and D2D, so I've spent a fraction of what it would have been for discs.

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Thanks for the info. Right now I'm staying all digital. I know physical media is better, I just don't want the investment in discs right now. We had over 600 stolen a few years back and decided not to get back into the disc game. I'm sitting at 1400+ movies in Vudu - but that's all codes and D2D, so I've spent a fraction of what it would have been for discs.

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@kbmb : I can totally understand that. I have done similar. I haven't lost any discs, but I've decided to rent first via Vudu and If I like the movie, or if its a movie I know I'll like say another Star Wars or Star Trek movie then. I'll buy the disc. I do this so I have a copy of the movie because the online services always have the right to remove content which means you can lose content in the library if it's pulled.
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I was curious, do you only get HDR on amazon, if you pay for prime? I have an amazon video library but it's mainly stuff I've purchased.

In fact the only thing I care about that's still in there, is Saved by the bell, the college years" as I like older stuff in most cases.

I was asking about prime because I searched for some 4k stuff and never saw an option for UHD purchases on amazon video.
yes you would need a Prime Membership to see Prime UHD and UHD HRD stuff, which is part of the Amazon Prime Membership but silly me who Subscribes to just about everything LOL

My Main Library is In Vudu with my UV digital copies plus if I purchase anything, i tend to Keep it in Vudu for ease of having it all in one place. the only draw back with Vudu is no HDR but it has Dolby Vision and Atmos.
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i settled with the Amazon Basic Latest i have one going to my AVR and then one going from My AVR to the TV. It's been running very smoothly knock on wood for the last couple days, nothing really to complain about. the only time i have Issues has been trying the watch the Man in the High Castle in HDR. but what i do is switch from 4:2:2 to 4:2:0 then back to 4:2:2 for some reason for me that seems to settle things might be A placebo thing and might just be in my mind that that fixes it for me. But could someone watch the HDR version of the Man in The High Castle season 2 episode 10 right at the beginning when John Smith enters his room and he Relives seeing Washington being nuked.
I'm using Amazon Basics directly into my Vizio P65, using default 4:2:2. MITHC Season Episode 10 looked ok to me in HDR10. I couldn't find the scene you referenced but I ran through about 7 minutes. Coloring is a little over saturated at Gamma 2.2 but that is just the series.
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I'm using Amazon Basics directly into my Vizio P65, using default 4:2:2. MITHC Season Episode 10 looked ok to me in HDR10. I couldn't find the scene you referenced but I ran through about 7 minutes. Coloring is a little over saturated at Gamma 2.2 but that is just the series.
That's okay it's season 2 episode 10 right at the beginning of that episode, I just tried it now and wouldn't you know it no issues. Sorry for wasting your time. Seems fixed now and I'm running 4:2:2

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