Originally Posted by brotony
That is the 2017 Roku Ultra that many here reference and the remote should, I think, control your AVR? Anyone?
The framerate auto switching doesn't work as well as the other auto features you mention but it may depend on your viewing or apps as to if framerate causes issues.
You might consider trying one within a return period. Buy from source that makes return easy. The audio dropouts in latest firmware and framerate bugs may be a deal breaker.
Like a few other recent posters, my Roku Ultra hasn't experienced dropouts with trick play like pause rw and ffw. I haven't used it much but starting to miss it. The Apple TV 4K I primarily use relies on developer integration of tvOS APIs to work with framerate matching. And many SDR only app developers haven't gotten around to Apple TV framerate matching. Hulu is the lone exception I can think of but the others are HDR applications that are Apple TV framerate matching and HDR matching friendly.
Above said, Roku use of framerate switching is more common than Apple TV 4K framerate matching. You may not notice commercials switching framerate on Apple TV because it isn't supported yet. But it can be annoying on the Roku Ultra; framerate switching often occurs too early and may botch a commercial, if that's even a terrible thing. But rebuffering fully to content might be an issue. I wouldn't care if commercials were not framerate switched but how could that be implemented? Apple TV 4K only gets around this by default; the API isn't integrated yet.
It seems the Roku Ultra works better now when framerate switching doesn't occur for commercial breaks. But in the older firmwares, where auto framerate switching was possible, framerate switching was causing more issues than it was worth. I mention that because seems there's less complaining about framerate switching errors than before.
But one issue with framerate auto switching I'm not aware of improvement is where the AVR is used. There have been many complaints of lip sync issues when using the feature on Roku HDR capable boxes.
And finally, I still prefer the Apple TV 4K for Hulu but miss my Roku Ultra on apps such as Tennis TV and CBS All Access for framerate matching. Just my opinion but others here have shared a liking or need for a good second or alternate box. No perfect streaming box exists yet. Updates may negatively impact performance or one doesn't suit your overall app use. Roku Ultra is often listed as number 1 or 2 on their list. Maybe it supplements your Shield use?
Bit of warning though, some here have posted Denon AVR seems to have the worst audio issues with Roku Ultra. Maybe it's worth a try though? The 2016 Roku Ultra with the optical audio port seems to be more problematic with audio dropouts in Roku OS 8.1 but it's not across the board agreement on hardware interaction. The last audio bug Roku had in this forum seemed to be induced by a firmware update lasted 6 months or more.
Those who are persistent with complaints are more likely to get a replacement Roku; escalating through email with Case ID is best option for issue resolution, IMO. Answer every email to keep case open until satisfied. My 2016 Roku Ultra was replaced and replaced again with 2017 Roku Ultra twice. The second replacement was not asked for but refused until Roku support offered to cover both shipping costs for last replacement. Most replacements were done for framerate switching which I really wanted to work but OS 8.1 fixed a lot of the issues. But Roku support seemed to think it was hardware rather software that would improve feature use. My case is finally closed. I'd say framerate matching is maturing.
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Originally Posted by BJBBJB
I have both the shield and the Roku sitting on my shelf temporarily. The Shield's issues with 1080P upscaling ended up being a non-starter for me. It was as bad as advertised, and I do not want to have to change the resolution on my device every time I go from HD to 4K. After a day with the ultra, no audio dropouts, HDR works on the apps it should, and so far so good. I also like the option to have the native frame rate, and to accept the HDR.subspace.
I was in your boat for the last few weeks and the audio dropouts were scary to me, but have not been an issue for me.
Originally Posted by atc98092
In my opinion, there is no ultimate streamer yet on the market. I feel the Shield comes closest, but as you note it still has some issues. Yes, the Roku Ultra, Premiere+ and Stick+ (along with some Roku TVs) all support YouTube HDR, and it looks quite good. My Roku 4 and Ultra (4640) will control the volume on my Yamaha AVR, so your Denon should as well. No Roku supports color space switching, but the Ultra does support native frame rate, with varying success.
My two major complaints with a Roku is that it only supports a limited number of audio and video codecs, so many of my ripped movies require transcoding, and it won't bitstream the lossless audio codecs (TrueHD/Atmos and DTS MasterAudio/:X). The Shield covers both of these quite well. If you have Kodi set up correctly, you can bypass the Shield upscaling and let your TV handle it.
Thanks for all the info!! Yes, the "perfect" streamer is not available at this time. I currently have a Chromecast Ultra that I'm using after selling my Shield, but not having a remote is harder than I thought. IMO, it's probably the closest (Dolby Vision, YouTube HDR, etc), but it's a moot point without a remote. Other than Dolby Vision, it seems the Roku Ultra is very close to "perfect". I stuck it out with the Shield when Oreo was released, hoping they would allow frame rate switching, or color space switching, but neither came about. I'm not so worried about the audio/video codecs, as I don't watch ripped movies. I know ATV 4k is nice, but having all Android devices in my house for the last 5 or so years, it seems it would be sacrilege to pick up a ATV 4k.
Follow up question, does anyone use Hulu Live TV with a Roku Ultra? It runs pretty good on the Chromecast Ultra at this time (though was terrible when it first came out). Have they updated the channels to 60FPS for Roku?