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It loads quicker with OS 9 and has a new loading page. BTW I have Roku Ultra 2016.
Every time I check for an update, it just updates an app or two and then tells me I'm already on the latest update. No vs. 9 here yet.
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Every time I check for an update, it just updates an app or two and then tells me I'm already on the latest update. No vs. 9 here yet.
The same here.
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Every time I check for an update, it just updates an app or two and then tells me I'm already on the latest update. No vs. 9 here yet.
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The same here.
Me three. Has anybody here who has a Premiere+ received version 9 yet? The only reports I can recall were about upgrades to the Ultra.
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Every time I check for an update, it just updates an app or two and then tells me I'm already on the latest update. No vs. 9 here yet.
Same here. I've been hoping to see if the Roku upgrade would improve the speed of DirectvNow; which is blazing fast on the Apple TV and Fires; but is a snail's crawl on the Roku. Opening the app and channel changing.



If anyone has Roku with the new firmware, and also is using DirectvNow, I'd love to hear some feedback. I know it's a combination of the Roku and the App, so it may not have any improvement until DirectvNow can improve their side. But again, on the ATV4K, it's super fast.

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Saw this reply on the PLEX message boards about OS9. Plex is known to play loose with the facts so I'm not buying it but thought I'd see if anyone here knows.

We’ve been forced to rewrite the app from scratch because Roku is moving to a new framework and deprecating the old. This has meant most of a year of work just getting the features back in that were already there. After release, we’ll be able to focus again on new features (that we wished we could have been working on all along instead rewriting the app).
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Saw this reply on the PLEX message boards about OS9. Plex is known to play loose with the facts so I'm not buying it but thought I'd see if anyone here knows.

We’ve been forced to rewrite the app from scratch because Roku is moving to a new framework and deprecating the old. This has meant most of a year of work just getting the features back in that were already there. After release, we’ll be able to focus again on new features (that we wished we could have been working on all along instead rewriting the app).
They are correct about Roku depreciating the old framework. It will no longer be supported after Jan 1. But it's not like they just learned of this. It was announced some time last year at the minimum. I knew it and I'm not even a developer. They have had the new framework for about two years now, and have been supporting both. Dropping support for the old will (fingers crossed) help Roku maintain their firmware without so many issues. Like I said, fingers crossed...
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Ya, since my post I've been digging and it looks like the "new API" has been available since October of 2015. At the end of the link to follow they say they're not standing firm on deprecating the old stuff in January

https://blog.roku.com/developer/2017/02/01/legacy-sdk
https://forums.roku.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=123363

Plex added live TV/DVR in the past year to all their clients so there's no excuse for not already being up to date. Their ROKU client functionally and visually lags the ATV for LiveTV/DVR and now they are making it sound like they just learned of the ROKU change and won't be releasing the features they've been promising (grid guide and recording control) because they have to rewrite the app at the last minute (translate that to them saying it's ROKUs fault )

Like I said, fast and loose.......

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They are correct about Roku depreciating the old framework. It will no longer be supported after Jan 1. But it's not like they just learned of this. It was announced some time last year at the minimum. I knew it and I'm not even a developer. They have had the new framework for about two years now, and have been supporting both. Dropping support for the old will (fingers crossed) help Roku maintain their firmware without so many issues. Like I said, fingers crossed...
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Thanks for the reply. I'm not sure it could load any slower, but happy to hear there is some improvement.

I'm looking to see the improvement for myself whenever Roku decides to update my Ultra 2017 boxes.
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Every time I check for an update, it just updates an app or two and then tells me I'm already on the latest update. No vs. 9 here yet.
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The same here.
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Me three. Has anybody here who has a Premiere+ received version 9 yet? The only reports I can recall were about upgrades to the Ultra.
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Same here. I've been hoping to see if the Roku upgrade would improve the speed of DirectvNow; which is blazing fast on the Apple TV and Fires; but is a snail's crawl on the Roku. Opening the app and channel changing.



If anyone has Roku with the new firmware, and also is using DirectvNow, I'd love to hear some feedback. I know it's a combination of the Roku and the App, so it may not have any improvement until DirectvNow can improve their side. But again, on the ATV4K, it's super fast.

Sorry, I wanted to mention this earlier but saw another post mention that 2016 Ultra received OS 9 update and thought that they are rolling out the update to all models. I am beta testing the Roku OS and hence received the update. I can't say anything more as I am bound by the contract to not mention anything.
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Need some input.

Looking for the best HDR10 UHD Vudu device (considering Vudu as the primary use). No dolby vision, and want native framerate. Current Roku the best choice?

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For those asking about the Premiere+, and OS 9: I last checked mine yesterday and it hadn't been offered yet. As I stated in an above post, my 2017 Ultra has gotten two OS 9 updates already. Will keep posted,
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For those asking about the Premiere+, and OS 9: I last checked mine yesterday and it hadn't been offered yet. As I stated in an above post, my 2017 Ultra has gotten two OS 9 updates already. Will keep posted,
Huh my ultra had not gotten any updates. That's odd.

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It really has been an odd rollout. I can't speak for the Roku forums, but at least on this thread, other then those who beta tested, I was the only one for a while who got the update, and it was only on the 2017 Ultra, the 2016 models haven't been offered the update yet.


It seems like people here are still very hit, or miss with getting the update. Hopefully by the end of November, more people will have it.
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It really has been an odd rollout. I can't speak for the Roku forums, but at least on this thread, other then those who beta tested, I was the only one for a while who got the update, and it was only on the 2017 Ultra, the 2016 models haven't been offered the update yet.


It seems like people here are still very hit, or miss with getting the update. Hopefully by the end of November, more people will have it.
Yeah odd rollout. I only got my Roku Ultra a few months ago, probably mid summer.

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Need some input.

Looking for the best HDR10 UHD Vudu device (considering Vudu as the primary use). No dolby vision, and want native framerate. Current Roku the best choice?
Your A1E and A8F are great choices using the native app. Is there a reason you won't use the native app?

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Your A1E and A8F are great choices using the native app. Is there a reason you won't use the native app?
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Based on OS9 feedback on ROKU’s forum you may not want it just yet anyway.
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Not really. I'd prefer no DV.
I would say the Roku is your best option then.
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I would say the Roku is your best option then.
Thanks, kinda what I am finding out. I can use my Panny 820 for Netflix (non DV) and it works great. Their Amazon app is wonky so I'd like something else for Amazon and Vudu that supports hz and does not force DV. I think a Roku and the 820 covers both. Or I could just use the Roku for Amazon, Netflix and Vudu...

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Thanks, kinda what I am finding out. I can use my Panny 820 for Netflix (non DV) and it works great. Their Amazon app is wonky so I'd like something else for Amazon and Vudu that supports hz and does not force DV. I think a Roku and the 820 covers both. Or I could just use the Roku for Amazon, Netflix and Vudu...
I would just use the Roku for all of them.
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Based on OS9 feedback on ROKU’s forum you may not want it just yet anyway.
What are the main complaints? I don't follow the Roku forums much.
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Not really. I'd prefer no DV.
I'm curious why you prefer no DV? I also have a Sony display(A9F)) and so far(3 weeks) I'm not all that impressed with DV, or maybe it's Sony's implementation of it. The display has been calibrated by D-Nice.

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I've had issues with it from the get-go, with LG and Sony. It is limited in use, and plus we have to take our work everything one a SOny is being carried over (mine was Calibrated by Chad B) because you had no way of testing results.

I also do not like the "we are going to control your chain mentality", and since HDr10 has served me well since 2016, I just dont care to use DV.
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I've had issues with it from the get-go, with LG and Sony. It is limited in use, and plus we have to take our work everything one a SOny is being carried over (mine was Calibrated by Chad B) because you had no way of testing results.

I also do not like the "we are going to control your chain mentality", and since HDr10 has served me well since 2016, I just dont care to use DV.
I have had similar thoughts about it as well, thanks for sharing.
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I've had issues with it from the get-go, with LG and Sony. It is limited in use, and plus we have to take our work everything one a SOny is being carried over (mine was Calibrated by Chad B) because you had no way of testing results.

I also do not like the "we are going to control your chain mentality", and since HDr10 has served me well since 2016, I just dont care to use DV.
None of my displays support DV, and even though I have an ATV4k, we use the Roku for streaming HDR for Netflix, VUDU, and Amazon as well.

Since I run mine through my Oppo 203, I'll still get 60Hz for 24Hz content once in a while (or HDR won't initiate, even though the 203's extended info says it's incoming), I find switching from the HDMI input and back resolves this.

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What are the main complaints? I don't follow the Roku forums much.
The only issues I heard mentioned were related to Harmony remote functionality. I did some google searches the other day to find threads on the Roku forums regarding OS 9 issue claims, but wasn't able to find anything.


From my own experience, and from others here, that have the update, things feel quite stable. If I find anything specific, I'll link it here so there is a reliable source.
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I have had similar thoughts about it as well, thanks for sharing.
Same here. I've been trying to figure out a way to disable DV on my Sony TV and AppleTV 4K while keeping HDR10 active.

I prefer the look of HDR10, so I'm finding that I continue to use my Roku Ultra more than I thought I would.
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I prefer the look of HDR10, so I'm finding that I continue to use my Roku Ultra more than I thought I would.
I'm just curious why. I really don't see much difference in the two.

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I'm just curious why. I really don't see much difference in the two.
I guess I'd have to say that DV is less consistent in its look. Sometimes its very dark vs. the HDR10 version. Perhaps it is intended to be that way and may be considered more "correct", but I don't prefer it. Also, at least on my system, the Roku is displaying all video with a somewhat different contrast or brightness or gamma (or some combination thereof) vs. my ATV4K. I just like how it looks. I go back and forth between the two streamers even though my original plan was to get rid of my Ultra.
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I guess I'd have to say that DV is less consistent in its look. Sometimes its very dark vs. the HDR10 version. Perhaps it is intended to be that way and may be considered more "correct", but I don't prefer it. Also, at least on my system, the Roku is displaying all video with a somewhat different contrast or brightness or gamma (or some combination thereof) vs. my ATV4K. I just like how it looks. I go back and forth between the two streamers even though my original plan was to get rid of my Ultra.
I can't speak for Dolby Vision, since I don't have that capability, but I can speak for HDR10 vs SRD. At first I really didn't notice much of a consistent difference between the two so my initial thoughts were "HDR is pointless" until I started to study the same content in both formats with a better understanding of HDR, and what it's intended purpose is.


For me, I can say some HDR is darker then SDR, but I can understand why now, it's so the extremes don't get blown out like they can with SDR due to the limitation of the range and number of colors. The second main thing I noticed is HDR helps balance out extremes, so colors don't look, over saturated, or too intense. Incredibles 2, is my latest test, and you can certainly see the difference. Red especially is a big difference, in SDR, the red looks really hot, while in HDR, it's there and has a good presence but it's not exaggerated.


Depending on the movie, HDR also helps balance out low light scenes as well vs SDR content. I also have a few different devices I can compare content from. I have:


2017 Roku Ultra
2018 Sony X700
2017 4k Apple TV


to compare on a 2016 Sony 43X800D.


At this point, for the most part, they all look about the same for the same content.


I've also tested HLG from YouTube, as the TV supports it, the Roku, and Apple TV don't, but the Sony player does. That also has a nice look to it, from what I've seen.
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Here is a new HDR video from the HDR Channel that popped up today. For anyone wanting to look at HDR content, this looks really nice:
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