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I'm using the ARC port on the OLED to connect with the AVR now. So if I understand correctly were I to upgrade to the Ultra I'd use the ARC port strictly for audio.
Yes, connecting the Roku Ultra to an UHD HDMI configured port on your Lg.
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Thanks...audio quality is very important since I have a full Definitive 5.1 speaker system. From what I know Yamaha audio quality in the lower models isn't as good as the Aventage series which can hit the same price tier as Marantz. I'll do a little research and see what comes up. I appreciate the advice.
Here in the Seattle area we have a chain of stores called Video Only, which has great prices. When I bought my Yamaha, I could have gotten something in the Aventage line for a couple of hundred more. But I don't have the speakers necessary to tell the difference, so I didn't bother. But I understand your desire in that regard, so best of luck shopping today!

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Yes we have Video Only in the SF Bay area though they've changed their product selections dramatically and hired commissioned sales people many of which are clueless used car types. I prefer to get advice from independent AV stores, then hunt for the equipment elsewhere. This forum has been very helpful and I appreciate your feedback in that regard.

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Yes we have Video Only in the SF Bay area though they've changed their product selections dramatically and hired commissioned sales people many of which are clueless used car types. I prefer to get advice from independent AV stores, then hunt for the equipment elsewhere. This forum has been very helpful and I appreciate your feedback in that regard.
Ouch, I haven't been in my local one lately. They've always been pretty knowledgeable in the past. If they've moved to that type of sales method, then I'll stick with Best Buy or on-line sales. Amazon and I are best buds.

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I prefer to get advice from independent AV stores, then hunt for the equipment elsewhere.
And this is why independent AV stores are going out of business, paying those employees that give that advice is expensive. This is the whole point of those "buy local" campaigns.
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And this is why independent AV stores are going out of business, paying those employees that give that advice is expensive. This is the whole point of those "buy local" campaigns.
This is true. But... When that independent AV store is charging over a hundred dollars more for something than at another place you can only go so far with the money you have. That local store needs to find a way to sell for less or their business is in jeopardy from day one. That said, I realize that the local store has overhead that demands higher prices, employees and space rent, etc...

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This is true. But... When that independent AV store is charging over a hundred dollars more for something than at another place you can only go so far with the money you have. That local store needs to find a way to sell for less or their business is in jeopardy from day one. That said, I realize that the local store has overhead that demands higher prices, employees and space rent, etc...
Yes, stores have overhead. However, the person above stated he goes to the local stores for advice and then buys elsewhere. That’s just wrong, IMO. It’s not right to use a store’s resources if you have no intention of giving them any business. If you are going to buy online, then do your own research.

I purchase online all the time, but I don’t waste the time of salespersons in a store beforehand. I do my own research. If I go into a store, it’s because I decided to buy something locally and not online.
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This is true. But... When that independent AV store is charging over a hundred dollars more for something than at another place you can only go so far with the money you have. That local store needs to find a way to sell for less or their business is in jeopardy from day one. That said, I realize that the local store has overhead that demands higher prices, employees and space rent, etc...
How much do you value that advice you get from the local guy? Is it worth $100-200 if it means you are getting the right equipment?



How much would you miss the local store if they went out of business? Also don't complain about the lack of ability to put your hands on the product if you don't support that brick and mortar that allows you to put your hands on the product before you lay down a couple of thousand of dollars.
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Yes, stores have overhead. However, the person above stated he goes to the local stores for advice and then buys elsewhere. That’s just wrong, IMO. It’s not right to use a store’s resources if you have no intention of giving them any business. If you are going to buy online, then do your own research.

I purchase online all the time, but I don’t waste the time of salespersons in a store beforehand. I do my own research. If I go into a store, it’s because I decided to buy something locally and not online.
I agree and couldn't do that. I'm crazy though and loyal so if I researched TV's at Best buy I'd feel obligated to buy it there. But again that is just how I am.

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I agree and couldn't do that. I'm crazy though and loyal so if I researched TV's at Best buy I'd feel obligated to buy it there. But again that is just how I am.

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I am the same way. If I go to a store to seek their advice, I feel obligated to make my purchase there.
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I am the same way. If I go to a store to seek their advice, I feel obligated to make my purchase there.
Also there isn't any play really with price on TV's. There are no deals other than free shipping but you still get shipping if by in the store no?

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And this is why independent AV stores are going out of business, paying those employees that give that advice is expensive. This is the whole point of those "buy local" campaigns.
Be aware that true "local" AV stores will bargain with you on price and maybe at least price match. Sometimes the big box stores will match another big box price. It doesn't hurt to give the store the option of earning your business.
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Speaking of buying stuff, while my Premiere+ is working fine, it still hasn't upgraded to the latest software, while my 2017 Ultra has, and it's been solid.


Based on this thread, the only 2016 model that has gotten the upgrade at this point seems to be the 2016 Ultra. I'm curious if this issue is just going to get worse the older my units get. The other big complaint I still have about the way Roku does thing is, I am the type of person who prefers to have all devices on the software version if possible, or at least chose when to upgrade. With this said, because Roku Players are low cost devices, is it better to upgrade them every couple years, even if what you have is working? Just for the reasoning of software updates.
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Speaking of buying stuff, while my Premiere+ is working fine, it still hasn't upgraded to the latest software, while my 2017 Ultra has, and it's been solid.


Based on this thread, the only 2016 model that has gotten the upgrade at this point seems to be the 2016 Ultra. I'm curious if this issue is just going to get worse the older my units get. The other big complaint I still have about the way Roku does thing is, I am the type of person who prefers to have all devices on the software version if possible, or at least chose when to upgrade. With this said, because Roku Players are low cost devices, is it better to upgrade them every couple years, even if what you have is working? Just for the reasoning of software updates.
IMHO, no. Software updates are designed to fix issues and/or add enhancements that may or may not be important to you. If your Premier+ works fine and you don't want the new Spotify App, 8.2 is fine. Also be aware new Models aren't necessarily better. The 2016 Ultra "box" has better features/specs than the 2017 and 2018. The new differences relate to the voice remote & 2018 JBL earplugs.

My point is you always want the latest firmware offered if you have issues, otherwise don't worry be happy
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IMHO, no. Software updates are designed to fix issues and/or add enhancements that may or may not be important to you. If your Premier+ works fine and you don't want the new Spotify App, 8.2 is fine. Also be aware new Models aren't necessarily better. The 2016 Ultra "box" has better features/specs than the 2017 and 2018. The new differences relate to the voice remote & 2018 JBL earplugs.

My point is you always want the latest firmware offered if you have issues, otherwise don't worry be happy
I'm happy with the performance, I was just curious if it was better to upgrade both software / hardware every couple years. As far as the 2016 vs 2017 / 2018 Ultra units. The 2017 is much better in my setup because it doesn't contain the transociding hardware which caused conflicts because my TV also has that ability so the ROKU and TV would conflict and cause audio issues. The Roku had no way to turn this off, so with only one device handling this, makes my 4k setup much more reliable.


As far as the point I was making about the software updates, Sony, and Apple provide the software for the designated models and give the user, the choice to upgrade now, or later, or never. With Roku, it's not that easy, because in this case, I have a unit with the new software, I find it stable, and find some performance improvements that would be nice to have on both units. However, I can't upgrade when I'm ready, or if I didn't want the upgrade, I couldn't stop it anyway. I just would like to see different options for managing Roku updates then currently exist. As far as the question about upgrading, it just seems the newer models get upgraded faster, then the older ones.


By the way, I do appreciate older software / hardware in some circumstances, over the newest available. One personal example here would be my black Roku streaming stick model 3600R from 2016. It's the only Roku I have left that handles DTS passthrough correctly on multiple sources. The newer units all have the same flaws that have come up with recent software updates. The downside is this particular product is 1080p max.
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Question about Roku Ultra

Can you give verbal commands to:
1. Turn on your TV (an older Panny plasma)?
2. Commands to your AVR (Marantz) to control volume?
3. Commands to turn to specific channels like Netflix, YTTV, Prime, Commedy Central, HBOGo etc.?
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5 RW or FF for a specific amount of time (10 seconds, 4.5 minutes etc.)

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Can you give verbal commands to:
1. Turn on your TV (an older Panny plasma)?
2. Commands to your AVR (Marantz) to control volume?
3. Commands to turn to specific channels like Netflix, YTTV, Prime, Commedy Central, HBOGo etc.?
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5 RW or FF for a specific amount of time (10 seconds, 4.5 minutes etc.)
No, Roku doesn't have a Smart assistant of that nature. Many of those tasks work with other product such as:
Apple TV
Amazon Fire
Google products.

Roku mainly just has a "Voice Search " function that allows you to search for content.
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Can you give verbal commands to:
1. Turn on your TV (an older Panny plasma)?
2. Commands to your AVR (Marantz) to control volume?
3. Commands to turn to specific channels like Netflix, YTTV, Prime, Commedy Central, HBOGo etc.?
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5 RW or FF for a specific amount of time (10 seconds, 4.5 minutes etc.)
While it isn't voice, it can use CEC to power up the TV (just press any button on the Roku remote) and the volume buttons on the remote will also control either the TV or an AVR. I have a Panasonic ST30 plasma and it does this on mine. This is assuming your TV has CEC control functionality.

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Although I don't use it I just confirmed voice commands on my ROKU Ultra will "Launch YoutubeTV", "Mute Volume", "Unmute Volume", "Power Off" commands via the remote voice control. I didn't try anything else. I don't own any of the other spy technology so I know it's the ROKU doing it I think you need to just try it.
I have my ROKU connected to my AVR (TSR-7850) and CEC enabled between the TV (Vizio M series) and AVRQUOTE=MacinMan;57165120]No, Roku doesn't have a Smart assistant of that nature. Many of those tasks work with other product such as:
Apple TV
Amazon Fire
Google products.

Roku mainly just has a "Voice Search " function that allows you to search for content.[/QUOTE]
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No, Roku doesn't have a Smart assistant of that nature. Many of those tasks work with other product such as:
Apple TV
Amazon Fire
Google products.

Roku mainly just has a "Voice Search " function that allows you to search for content.
Thanks for the quick reply. We do have Google home. We can use it to give commands when streaming YTTV via Chromecast. Can we use Google home to give any commands to the Ultra Roku model?
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Thanks for the quick reply. We do have Google home. We can use it to give commands when streaming YTTV via Chromecast. Can we use Google home to give any commands to the Ultra Roku model?
Looks like Roku added some functions I wasn't aware of. However, to answer your question: Devices need to be compatible with Google home to work. I don't think Roku is.

As far as choice of Platform, I've used apple products long before I used a Roku or any other device. I tried Roku for the first time back in 2013, because Apple TV wasn't what it was back then, then what it is today. If it had been, then who knows if I would have used a Roku at all.

Either way, I think unseeing multiple products has given me a lot more experience to help others then just sticking to one. I also have a ChromeCast Ultra and an Android TV that has google cast built in, plus google cast built into YouTube via the Roku channel, etc.

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You DO NOT need Google home or other spy devices to use voice commands. Please see my previous post. I actually performed these commands using the Ultra only. Let's stop guessing about things.
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You DO NOT need Google home or other spy devices to use voice commands. Please see my previous post. I actually performed these commands using the Ultra only. Let's stop guessing about things.
I didn't say Google home was NEEDED for Roku's voice commands. He asked if IF Roku could be used with Google Home, and I said Roku doesn't support google home, but devices he wanted to use with it, had to.
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I hope someone can explain the display menu choice of 4.2.0 vs 4.2.2 on the Roku. What does choosing one vs the other actually do. I think I have read that 4.2.0 is 10 bit and 4.2.2 is 12 bit. Does the Roku create the bit structure thereby creating more color, or is it simply passing it on? Why choose one vs the other?

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Actually his original request said nothing about any of the spy devices. Someone else replied and said ROKU could not perform such tasks implying the need for one of the spy devices. He then asked about the specific spy device Google Home.

I was trying to clarify the response to his original question and make sure it is clear that the ROKU DOES have some built in voice command functionality for overall navigation and control.
Can you give verbal commands to:
1. Turn on your TV (an older Panny plasma)?
2. Commands to your AVR (Marantz) to control volume?
3. Commands to turn to specific channels like Netflix, YTTV, Prime, Commedy Central, HBOGo etc.?
4. Pause
5 RW or FF for a specific amount of time (10 seconds, 4.5 minutes etc.)
Also, per CNET, the ROKU DOES interact with the Google spy devices.

https://www.cnet.com/news/roku-strea...stant-devices/

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Actually his original request said nothing about any of the spy devices. Someone else replied and said ROKU could not perform such tasks implying the need for one of the spy devices. He then asked about the specific spy device Google Home.

I was trying to clarify the response to his original question and make sure it is clear that the ROKU DOES have some built in voice command functionality for overall navigation and control.
Can you give verbal commands to:
1. Turn on your TV (an older Panny plasma)?
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3. Commands to turn to specific channels like Netflix, YTTV, Prime, Commedy Central, HBOGo etc.?
4. Pause
5 RW or FF for a specific amount of time (10 seconds, 4.5 minutes etc.)
Yes, I follow you, and I apologize for the misunderstanding. I did read the original post, and wanted to give him two points, which I think got taken incorrectly.

First: Roku has voice commands, but nothing as complex as the other mentioned devices.
Second: If he wanted that functionality, that one of the devices I mentioned would work better than Roku.
Third, and this one is just for me, I haven't used Roku voice search in years, so I'm not aware they added any functionality. So, the mention of the above commands Roku now supports, was new info to me.
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Per CNET, it also interacts with Google Spy devices

https://www.cnet.com/news/roku-strea...stant-devices/

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Yes, I follow you, and I apologize for the misunderstanding. I did read the original post, and wanted to give him two points, which I think got taken incorrectly.

First: Roku has voice commands, but nothing as complex as the other mentioned devices.
Second: If he wanted that functionality, that one of the devices I mentioned would work better than Roku.
Third, and this one is just for me, I haven't used Roku voice search in years, so I'm not aware they added any functionality. So, the mention of the above commands Roku now supports, was new info to me.
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I hope someone can explain the display menu choice of 4.2.0 vs 4.2.2 on the Roku. What does choosing one vs the other actually do. I think I have read that 4.2.0 is 10 bit and 4.2.2 is 12 bit. Does the Roku create the bit structure thereby creating more color, or is it simply passing it on? Why choose one vs the other?
No, it can't create color points that were not there before. But for some (many?) displays, changing the color bit setting can make a difference with the actual display of color. My Samsung didn't look correct with 4:2:2 selected, which was for some reason the default setting. There was noticeable color banding in the image, most noticeable in sky shots. Changing to 4:2:0 cleared it up.

Also, 4:2:2 requires more bandwidth over the HDMI connection, and by dropping it to 4:2:0 some people are able to eliminate the HDCP errors that were occurring, or sometimes resolve HDMI handshake issues.
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^^^^^just to add to this @atc98092 and @JackB , since all commercially available streaming content is at 4:2:0 (as well as all disk content), it used to be up to the device to up-sample to 4:2:2, or possible even 4:4:4; that is, right up until 4K came along. Since the bandwidth needed for 4K is so high, the HDMI standard now allows the native 4:2:0 to be passed along over HDMI, but only at 50 and 60Hz (I, too, found that I get banding unless I select 4:2:0, even with the only 4K/60Hz disk to date).

So even when set to 4:2:0, you'll still get at least 4:2:2 by default for anything other than 4K50/60Hz, as the linked chart shows that 4:2:0 would be "illegal" to send over HDMI for any other signal.
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No, it can't create color points that were not there before. But for some (many?) displays, changing the color bit setting can make a difference with the actual display of color. My Samsung didn't look correct with 4:2:2 selected, which was for some reason the default setting. There was noticeable color banding in the image, most noticeable in sky shots. Changing to 4:2:0 cleared it up.

Also, 4:2:2 requires more bandwidth over the HDMI connection, and by dropping it to 4:2:0 some people are able to eliminate the HDCP errors that were occurring, or sometimes resolve HDMI handshake issues.
I've left mine set to 4.2.0, no reason to use 4.2.2 if the display isn't 12 bit compatible. Haven't had any real HDMI / HDCP issues for quite a while. It's nice to have stable Roku players, but at the same time, they become kind of boring when they just work because there isn't much to do with htem as far as customizing, and tweaking options.
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