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post #11131 of 11522 Old 01-02-2019, 12:06 PM
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Come on man, you're too vested here for this Use the "search this thread" -> 800D

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So I don't have to go back and pick through the thread, who reported an issue with the 800D TV turning on randomly with the Roku update?


I'm responding to that post because it's happening with me occasionally as well and I have a Sony 800D series TV. However, what I would like to contribute here is: my observations have drawn the conclusion it's related to theme changes when it comes to the seasonal themes.


I haven't turned off the featured themes feature, but I've noticed, the TV is on, on days the Roku would have changed a theme based on holiday, and then when that holiday theme is no longer need, and it goes back to what I have set. For me, these have been consistent times, this has happened.


I could probably just disable Bravia Sync on the TV and the issue would be solved, and it isn't a big deal to manually switch inputs. However, the feature typically works without issues most of the time.
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Roku Premier+ (4630X), received the update to 9.0 and now have repeated HDCP negotiation failures when using Amazon Prime.

The Premier+ turns on and works fine until I select a program to watch, the program will start and just after the opening scenes start the picture blanks BUT the audio continues (Classic symptom of an HDCP error). Fix action of removing the cable from the Roku and re-inserting fixes the problem every time. The next episode will start and rinse/repeat. This happened on 4 consecutive episodes of "Man in the High Tower 4K" last night.

I have not tested with HD content yet or another streaming source, such as Hulu or Netflix.

This issue did NOT occur prior to receiving the 9.0 update. Cables are "Certified" 18GBPS with the hologram and have not had this issue before.

Anyone else or idea on how to fix.
I haven't any any issues of this nature on my Premiere+ 9.0.0 build 4084 build which is connected to a 1080p TV. Watch Netflix regularly without issues. Will test something from my prime video library to see if I have the same issue. I don't have a prime account, but I can still test with the prime channel with purchased content.
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Come on man, you're too vested here for this Use the "search this thread" -> 800D

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I didn't have to scroll back as far as I thought. I am responding to the post by @skoone , on the previous page #111 of this thread.
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Roku Premier+ (4630X), received the update to 9.0 and now have repeated HDCP negotiation failures when using Amazon Prime.

The Premier+ turns on and works fine until I select a program to watch, the program will start and just after the opening scenes start the picture blanks BUT the audio continues (Classic symptom of an HDCP error). Fix action of removing the cable from the Roku and re-inserting fixes the problem every time. The next episode will start and rinse/repeat. This happened on 4 consecutive episodes of "Man in the High Tower 4K" last night.

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I had almost the same thing happen to me when trying to watch the 4k version of "Never Say Nevar" on Prime. I started the movie and it just went blank with no audio or video. I ended up watching it on my ATV4K.

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I didn't have to scroll back as far as I thought. I am responding to the post by @skoone , on the previous page #111 of this thread.
Don't forget that users can adjust how many posts are on a page. This is currently page 223 for me, so 111 would be quite a ways back!

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Don't forget that users can adjust how many posts are on a page. This is currently page 223 for me, so 111 would be quite a ways back!
Pay no attention to self appointed Thread Police who would arrogate to themselves the decision whether to laboriously search a thread or simply ask other posters for the answer to a question is the better course. That sort of arrogance makes me very tired. If your posts are out of line in any way, the moderators will tell you about it. Otherwise what you post is your own business and no one else's.
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Roku Premier+ (4630X), received the update to 9.0 and now have repeated HDCP negotiation failures when using Amazon Prime.



The Premier+ turns on and works fine until I select a program to watch, the program will start and just after the opening scenes start the picture blanks BUT the audio continues (Classic symptom of an HDCP error). Fix action of removing the cable from the Roku and re-inserting fixes the problem every time. The next episode will start and rinse/repeat. This happened on 4 consecutive episodes of "Man in the High Tower 4K" last night.



I have not tested with HD content yet or another streaming source, such as Hulu or Netflix.



This issue did NOT occur prior to receiving the 9.0 update. Cables are "Certified" 18GBPS with the hologram and have not had this issue before.



Anyone else or idea on how to fix.
If you haven't pulled the power cord one-time since the Roku update, I'd recommend that. That's been known to help with odd issues on many of these updates. Otherwise, maybe it's just in need of a reboot? Or home then open again.

Had a similar problem with my ATV4K last night, 3 times at restart. Force closed the app and it worked.

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I had forgotten the number of pages / posts varies per user preferences. I think I have set to show the max number of posts per page, as possible. As far as calling out a poster with a question / answer, is just faster / easier then searching. In this case for me, searching wasn't a big deal, since it was one page back for me.


With that said, I was considering upgrading my Premiere+ to the 2018 model to have the latest hardware, and also latest changes when it comes to Fandango Now being a separate channel vs integrated across both devices, so the installed channels can be arranged identically on both devices.
However, when I looked at Roku's page, the 2018 Premiere+ doesn't support 80211ac, which is odd since the black streaming stick that's the same price does. So I think i'll hold onto the 2016 Premiere+ a bit longer. Has anyone here used the new Premiere+? does it work OK with simply supporting 80211n as the maximum speed? Does anyone know if it at least supports 5ghz?


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... However, when I looked at Roku's page, the 2018 Premiere+ doesn't support 80211ac, which is odd since the black streaming stick that's the same price does....
The same priced streaming stick doesn't do HDR. The Stick + which does HDR is 10 USD higher. The lack of any "dual band" reference on the new Premier + makes me "assume" its just 2.4GHz
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The same priced streaming stick doesn't do HDR. The Stick + which does HDR is 10 USD higher. The lack of any "dual band" reference on the new Premier + makes me "assume" its just 2.4GHz
Right, I know the $50 streaming stick is HD only, which for what I would be putting it on is OK, because the TV is HD only in the bedroom.

I think what surprised me though, is if they're going to put Mimo in a $50 stick that's HD only, why not also added it to an HDR streamer that's the same cost. It would make more sense to have it in the 4k / HDR compatible player over standard HD.

I do know that the stick+ has all three, but I didn't want another stick. Maybe I'll just wait till my Walmart gets more Ultras in stock and upgrade the Premiere+ to a 2018 Ultra, so I can just stick with the same form factor.
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@MacinMan Roku is slicing the hardware dollars very thin. You can get the best 1080p device or the cheapest HDR device for the same price. Makes sense to me.
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However, when I looked at Roku's page, the 2018 Premiere+ doesn't support 80211ac, which is odd since the black streaming stick that's the same price does. So I think i'll hold onto the 2016 Premiere+ a bit longer. Has anyone here used the new Premiere+? does it work OK with simply supporting 80211n as the maximum speed? Does anyone know if it at least supports 5ghz?


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That's funny. The older Premiere+ (model 4630) does support .11AC and 5 GHz. The new Premiere+ (model 3921) does not support either. So no, it doesn't support 5 GHz. I think that's a requirement for .11AC support.

I really hate when Roku reuses a model name when there's significant changes to the hardware itself. Really makes offering support difficult.
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I've been trying to research this for several days now, but thought I may as well ask this knowledgeable board. I have 4K video recorded on my Panasonic camera and a 1080P SamSung TV. If I connect an external HD with the 4K files to the USB input on the Roku Ultra, will the Ultra downconvert so I can watch it on the 1080P TV? I'd prefer not to run an HDMI from the laptop to TV. I already use Roku Express so could swap it out for an Ultra. Not quite ready to upgrade the TV yet. Thank you.
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I've decided to hold off on the Roku upgrade from the 2016 Premiere+ not much reason to upgrade currently until the current device actually has real issues.


I did find something I wanted more though and was still cheaper then the Ultra. I found the complete Little House On the Prairie series with all 9 seasons on DVD for $70. I love when I find the old shows on physical media for good deals, and having the complete series as one box set is a bonus.
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I've been trying to research this for several days now, but thought I may as well ask this knowledgeable board. I have 4K video recorded on my Panasonic camera and a 1080P Samsung TV. If I connect an external HD with the 4K files to the USB input on the Roku Ultra, will the Ultra downconvert so I can watch it on the 1080P TV? I'd prefer not to run an HDMI from the laptop to TV. I already use Roku Express so could swap it out for an Ultra. Not quite ready to upgrade the TV yet. Thank you.
I moved my Ultra to a 1080 Panasonic plasma when I bought my Shield. I can play 4K material with no problem, so yes the Ultra is downconverting to 1080. HDR material looks pretty poor, simply because the plasma doesn't support HDR so colors are quite off. Dull would be the best description. But there's no issue playing 4K material on a 1080 set.

My plan is once they let us government workers back to work, it's going to be time to upgrade the plasma. Not sure if the other half will agree, but no sense in asking right now with no paycheck coming in, is there?
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I have a situation where I need to use the Roku 3 for 1080p and lower, and use the Roku Ultra for HDR streaming exclusively. I also use a Harmony Elite to control things. Is it possible to set up separate command sets for each Roku device so that at any given time I can use one or the other but not both?

Right now I've taken the Roku 3 out of the system but I'm using Harmony activity files based on the Roku 3 and they work fine with the Ultra.

In the setup I want to try each Roku will be connected to different AVR HDMI input ports. I don't ever expect to use verbal commands, but it seems to me that activating both of them might cause a conflict over Wi-Fi at the Roku site.

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I have a situation where I need to use the Roku 3 for 1080p and lower, and use the Roku Ultra for HDR streaming exclusively. I also use a Harmony Elite to control things. Is it possible to set up separate command sets for each Roku device so that at any given time I can use one or the other but not both?



Right now I've taken the Roku 3 out of the system but I'm using Harmony activity files based on the Roku 3 and they work fine with the Ultra.



In the setup I want to try each Roku will be connected to different AVR HDMI input ports. I don't ever expect to use verbal commands, but it seems to me that activating both of them might cause a conflict over Wi-Fi at the Roku site.



I need some clear thinking on this.
That will work but why do you need the Roku 3 for 1080p and under?

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That will work but why do you need the Roku 3 for 1080p and under?

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Roku Ultra connection question.

This is likely a simple answer to a simple question but need to ask. I have a Roku Ultra, Denon AVR-X4200W and a Panasonic TC-P60GT50 Plasma that I want to connect. Question, is there any "better" HDMI input on the Panasonic? Currently I only use the HDMI (ARC) -> Denon. Thanks in advance for any advice.
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^^^^ @sjturbo , since your display is only 1080p, there is no difference (as far as video goes) whether you connect the Roku direct to the TV or route it through the AVR; you will definitely get better sound going through the AVR though, as you will most likely be limited to regular Dolby Digital via ARC at best the other way (most streaming services use DD+, however, you may or may not be able to get Atmos for some services unless you can stream the UHD version of a movie/show).

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To get my OPPO 93 to work through the OPPO 203 HDMI IN port I have to set that port to 1080p. I want all of my 1080p sources to use the OPPO 203's up-scaling ability. If I connect the Roku Ultra to it's own AVR input, then the up-scaling would be done by the TV or the AVR for 1080p and lower material. I've been running the Roku 3, Xfinity Cable, and OPPO 93 (ISO from disk) through the 203's HDMI IN with very good results. Our TV is the Vizio PQ and it's up-scaling isn't very good. I would use the Ultra for HDR and the 3 for 1080p and lower.

So, are you saying that the Roku 3 and Roku Ultra can live together with both of them responding to Harmony Activity commands at the same time, or is there a way to change one of them to a different set of commands? Thanks for help.

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To get my OPPO 93 to work through the OPPO 203 HDMI IN port I have to set that port to 1080p. I want all of my 1080p sources to use the OPPO 203's up-scaling ability. If I connect the Roku Ultra to it's own AVR input, then the up-scaling would be done by the TV or the AVR for 1080p and lower material. I've been running the Roku 3, Xfinity Cable, and OPPO 93 (ISO from disk) through the 203's HDMI IN with very good results. Our TV is the Vizio PQ and it's up-scaling isn't very good. I would use the Ultra for HDR and the 3 for 1080p and lower.



So, are you saying that the Roku 3 and Roku Ultra can live together with both of them responding to Harmony Activity commands at the same time, or is there a way to change one of them to a different set of commands? Thanks for help.
Both Rokus can coexist in the same setup with or without Logitech Harmony. Just as your original remotes would use WiFi direct to talk to those by pairing, your Harmony activities would do the same but with same same remote and hub. But you can't pair a Roku remote to two Rokus at same time like you can with a Harmony Hub.

But to clarify, only the Roku in the Harmony activity would respond to Roku commands. Both Rokus wouldn't be getting same commands simultaneously. As you say, you want to connect to separate inputs, individual activities: that can be done with the Harmony Hub and compatible remote like the Elite (it includes the Harmony Hub as does the Logitech Smart and Companion remotes with hub). But you also need 2 Roku devices in your Harmony device list so you're adding the right one to each activity; they need names you can identify when setting up the activities. So two remotes aren't better than one for some.

Just curious about the need for the Roku 3. I don't have an oppo but sounds interesting. I had forget you mentioned that earlier...

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Sorry did not mean to hijack the thread! If my question needs to be in another forum please move it and let me know. If not, Can I Roku -> HDMI input on Denon and assign Denon CBL/SAT as output?
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Sorry did not mean to hijack the thread! If my question needs to be in another forum please move it and let me know. If not, Can I Roku -> HDMI input on Denon and assign Denon CBL/SAT as output?
Not certain I follow the question. Yes, you can hook the Roku to an HDMI input in your Denon. But the only output is the HDMI output of the Denon, which is typically connected to a TV or projector. You can't "assign" an input to be sent out of another input. They are one-way connections. Some AVRs have more than one HDMI out, usually for a second zone. In that configuration, Zone 2 could request the Roku as its output, while the Main Zone could request something different.
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Both Rokus can coexist in the same setup with or without Logitech Harmony. Just as your original remotes would use WiFi direct to talk to those by pairing, your Harmony activities would do the same but with same same remote and hub. But you can't pair a Roku remote to two Rokus at same time like you can with a Harmony Hub.

But to clarify, only the Roku in the Harmony activity would respond to Roku commands. Both Rokus wouldn't be getting same commands simultaneously. As you say, you want to connect to separate inputs, individual activities: that can be done with the Harmony Hub and compatible remote like the Elite (it includes the Harmony Hub as does the Logitech Smart and Companion remotes with hub). But you also need 2 Roku devices in your Harmony device list so you're adding the right one to each activity; they need names you can identify when setting up the activities. So two remotes aren't better than one for some.

Just curious about the need for the Roku 3. I don't have an oppo but sounds interesting. I had forget you mentioned that earlier...

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Thanks for the detailed information. I'll make sure that the two Roku devices have different names. Then which ever Roku is refereed to in a given Harmony activity then that's the one that will be in command. The other Roku will be dormant. That's what I'll try now. Thanks again.

@brotony UPDATE: Using what I understood your information to mean I've got both Roku models doing their thing. Anyone who doesn't care about the up-scaling for 1080P can just stay in the Roku Ultra. Does the Ultra do up-scaling? If so, maybe I should of looked into that first. Thanks again.

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Not certain I follow the question. Yes, you can hook the Roku to an HDMI input in your Denon. But the only output is the HDMI output of the Denon, which is typically connected to a TV or projector. You can't "assign" an input to be sent out of another input. They are one-way connections. Some AVRs have more than one HDMI out, usually for a second zone. In that configuration, Zone 2 could request the Roku as its output, while the Main Zone could request something different.
Sorry, I could not understand the question either. So instead of trying to ask it again I tried hooking it up the way I meant the question to be worded.
It worked. I ran the Roku HDMI to the Media HDMI on the Denon and out to the TV via the CBL/SAT. Added the activity to the Harmony 665.
Thanks for trying to understand my issue.
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Sorry, I could not understand the question either. So instead of trying to ask it again I tried hooking it up the way I meant the question to be worded.
It worked. I ran the Roku HDMI to the Media HDMI on the Denon and out to the TV via the CBL/SAT. Added the activity to the Harmony 665.
Thanks for trying to understand my issue.
If you Denon is anything like my Denon then CBL/SAT is the HDMI 1 input port.

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That's correct. My Denon CBL/SAT is HDMI 1 also. It's been a long day, but here goes. My Denon HDMI OUT Monitor (ARC) -> TV HDMI In (ARC). Dish Satt
-> Denon HDMI CBL/SAT. So Everything feeds the Denon HDMI inputs and the output goes to the Denon HDMI Out Monitor (ARC). I think. So you were
correct! Thanks for your patience!
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That's correct. My Denon CBL/SAT is HDMI 1 also. It's been a long day, but here goes. My Denon HDMI OUT Monitor (ARC) -> TV HDMI In (ARC). Dish Satt
-> Denon HDMI CBL/SAT. So Everything feeds the Denon HDMI inputs and the output goes to the Denon HDMI Out Monitor (ARC). I think. So you were
correct! Thanks for your patience!
Join the confused Denon party. There are a lot of us.

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