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I had found that link, which listed a number of players with question marks in front of each, and then has posts about success with one LG 3D TV and one Sony UHD Blu-ray player, the X800, that sells new for $250 or used for $150 - not my idea of "cheap."

That's why I just ordered a new Chromecast Ultra for $70.

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I had found that link, which listed a number of players with question marks in front of each, and then has posts about success with one LG 3D TV and one Sony UHD Blu-ray player, the X800, that sells new for $250 or used for $150 - not my idea of "cheap."

That's why I just ordered a new Chromecast Ultra for $70.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-bd...?skuId=4919700
This works, can be found cheaper.

The 3D compatibility list must have gotten dropped somewhere over the years since not to many manufacturers support it anymore. They must not feel the need to maintain it, but there use to be one

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after the 9.3 update. I had to unplug to get the volume work.

now my Denon receiver doesn't shut down, it goes to Mute mode.

no settings on the Denon were changed, has always shut down with the TV.

Is there a way to start over and re-pair the remote?

I would rather not do a factory reset if possible.

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after the 9.3 update. I had to unplug to get the volume work.

now my Denon receiver doesn't shut down, it goes to Mute mode.

no settings on the Denon were changed, has always shut down with the TV.

Is there a way to start over and re-pair the remote?

I would rather not do a factory reset if possible.
I just went through remote control pairing in settings.
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after the 9.3 update. I had to unplug to get the volume work.

now my Denon receiver doesn't shut down, it goes to Mute mode.

no settings on the Denon were changed, has always shut down with the TV.

Is there a way to start over and re-pair the remote?

I would rather not do a factory reset if possible.
Try:

settings> remote & devices> remote in use> program tv> follow the prompts

Of course the roku remote only controls tv's, its upto the tv's hdmi-cec to control your audio gear, also try refreshing the cec devices in the tv menu.
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settings> remote & devices> remote in use> program tv> follow the prompts

Of course the roku remote only controls tv's, its upto the tv's hdmi-cec to control your audio gear, also try refreshing the cec devices in the tv menu.

I tried everything, and a factory reset fixed it. the receiver now shuts down with everything else.
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UPDATE:

Instead of the Chromecast Ultra, I bought an NVIDIA Shield (the $150 tube model, since the Pro is out of stock and folks on eBay are marking it up from $200 to well over $300).

The Shield is a Chromecast device, but also does almost everything I use the Roku Ultra for except no Apple TV + and its TuneIn app is the brain-dead version on the Fire TV - no login (which means no saved favorites) and a nearly worthless search function. Fortunately, I can cast to it from the full-featured TuneIn app on my phone.

The main value-add is its AI Upscaling, which is the modern version of the Darbee Darblet. Very impressive, and makes 1080 material it streams look like 4K. No HDMI input, so my disk player can't get the benefit of this.

The other value-add is that it can get a full web-browser called Puffin from the Google Play Store, which may let me play Apple TV + that way.

But, though the Shield does stream side-by-side 3D from VUDU the way my phone does, my projector's side-by-side 3D mode doesn't decode it but just shows the two images side by side. If I'd bought the Chromecast or the Sony Blu-ray player to cast to I'd have gotten nothing out of it.
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Instead of the Chromecast Ultra, I bought an NVIDIA Shield... The other value-add is that it can get a full web-browser called Puffin from the Google Play Store, which may let me play Apple TV + that way.

But, though the Shield does stream side-by-side 3D from VUDU the way my phone does, my projector's side-by-side 3D mode doesn't decode it but just shows the two images side by side. If I'd bought the Chromecast or the Sony Blu-ray player to cast to I'd have gotten nothing out of it.
I don't have one, but the Shield is an Android device, which may mean it can many Android apps, though I don't know if it has GPS, a motion sensor, and I guess there is no camera, and there is no touchscreen. Online reports like
say the Shield has a Google Play store, so you can also download the full blown Chrome browser, which works with a lot of web sites that Roku can't. A shame it costs so much. That link also says it can be used with a keyboard with a touchscreen (or trackball??) - the biggest lack, other than a true web browser, of Roku boxes.

I assume you use something like a "google cardboard" device (e.g., $5 from Five Below) to watch the side-by-side 3D on your phone. There are also a bunch of similar glasses for watching side-by-side 3D on your projector. I've not tried that, as I don't have a suitable projector, but it sounds cool.

Of course, you'd still have to find fun 3D content. Since there aren't many 3D movies, maybe some Android games and virtual reality apps?
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The Shield is a Chromecast device, but also does almost everything I use the Roku Ultra for except no Apple TV + and its TuneIn app is the brain-dead version on the Fire TV - no login (which means no saved favorites) and a nearly worthless search function. Fortunately, I can cast to it from the full-featured TuneIn app on my phone.

Try going to the Google store and see if you can download the Tune-in app there. I was able to install on both my Sony and HiSense Android TVs and it has the log-in so I can access the feeds that require a premium subscription.

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Try going to the Google store and see if you can download the Tune-in app there. I was able to install on both my Sony and HiSense Android TVs and it has the log-in so I can access the feeds that require a premium subscription.
Apparently, the Google Play Store has different apps - and different versions of apps - for different devices. The Shield gets different downloads than other Android TVs. It gave my Shield the brain-dead version of TuneIn and didn't offer Chrome at all.

I'm downloaded on my PC and emailed to myself the APK Mirror download of the most recent version of Apple TV + for the Fire TV, which is a de-Googled Android device. I'll use Puffin on the Shield to go to the webmail interface for my email and download it. Unless Puffin's ability to download and install APKs has been removed (I've seen some posts saying it has), I'll do that and see if Apple TV + will work on the Shield.

I've also simply emailed myself a link to a folder in my Dropbox, as an easier way to transfer large files.

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Apparently, the Google Play Store has different apps - and different versions of apps - for different devices. The Shield gets different downloads than other Android TVs. It gave my Shield the brain-dead version of TuneIn and didn't offer Chrome at all.

I'm downloaded on my PC and emailed to myself the APK Mirror download of the most recent version of Apple TV + for the Fire TV, which is a de-Googled Android device. I'll use Puffin on the Shield to go to the webmail interface for my email and download it. Unless Puffin's ability to download and install APKs has been removed (I've seen some posts saying it has), I'll do that and see if Apple TV + will work on the Shield.

I've also simply emailed myself a link to a folder in my Dropbox, as an easier way to transfer large files.
Hmmm.... I thought this was the ROKU 4K (HDR) Premiere +/Ultra Owners thread, not a Shield thread. Just sayin...
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Hmmm.... I thought this was the ROKU 4K (HDR) Premiere +/Ultra Owners thread, not a Shield thread. Just sayin...
My bad. This discussion started out relevant - how can I play 3D VUDU streams? - but went way off track.

I've taken it to the threads about my new Nvidia Shield and my 3D-capable projector.

So far no joy, unless someone makes a room-sized Google Cardboard.

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Roku "App Tuesday" Updates

App updates for Disney+ (1.4.2020051200), Spectrum (6.0), and others were released.



As usual test & verify 4K/HDR/Atmos/5.1/Profiles/Trickplay etc.
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Roku Media Player 5.0 App Update

RMP updated to 5.0.10 (even without RokuOS 9.3) for all current models.

RMP 5 is not even remotely (pun intended) ready for release:

1) Regressive UI:
A) Way-too-large Media Server icons
B) List view massively wasted space (columns too wide, fonts too small, skipped lines/space between columns and rows)
C) Grid view massively wasted space (icons too large, short row setting wasted space (second row unreadable), etc)
D) Help allows topic selection but no further action; sometimes crashes back to Home
E) Doesn't display properly on 4:3 output (upper left quarter screen only)


2) Many settings dont work until they have been toggled at least once (e.g. Display Format)
3) Favorite DLNA Server setting is nonfunctional
4) Autorun is nonfunctional
5) OK selection nonfunctional in List view settings dialog box
6) Unplayable media files momentarily play and fall back to the details screen with no error message
7) Randomly exits back to Home
8) Etc, etc, etc...

At best, this is an early beta - considering Roku's (understandably) very slow rollout of 9.3 with all of its (continuing) dysfunctionality, its surprising that Roku is pushing RMP 5 out, especially with no (hidden/secret/developer) rollback option (unlike RokuOS itself).
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I beta tested RMP 5, but it seems my alerts to the beta group failed and I wasn't aware he was releasing it yet. I mentioned the wasted space in the UI, but it seems they wanted to get this release pushed out for some reason.

That said, I didn't encounter some of the issues you mention, although I will say I probably hadn't tried them all. But I thought auto-play was working, i.e. the next video plays after one ends. I didn't have any unplayable media, but then I have good profiles on my Serviio server for Roku devices (I wrote them).

But yes, I was surprised it was released already. I didn't think it was quite ready to go. They also seem to be adding support for Dolby TrueHD in 9.3, but RMP doesn't support it yet either. I would have hoped they would have added that before releasing RMP 5.

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Looks like they rolled it back, do an update and media ch looks like it used to, except the home screen tile.
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Looks like they rolled it back, do an update and media ch looks like it used to, except the home screen tile.
Yep, kept the new icon but reverted to the older version of RMP. This topic exploded on the Roku forum, so I'm sure it will be tested much deeper this time.

On the bright side, they got a ton of issues reported to look at, so they know exactly where to focus.
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Yep, kept the new icon but reverted to the older version of RMP. This topic exploded on the Roku forum, so I'm sure it will be tested much deeper this time.

On the bright side, they got a ton of issues reported to look at, so they know exactly where to focus.

Good to know. It updated this morning and was a mess. I already hate the new UI. Started it up again this afternoon and it reverted back to the old UI but, as noted, kept the new icon. I've never had a problem with streaming music from my DLNA server and wonder what issue(s) caused them to roll out a whole new interface.
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My 4630X Premier+ just got Dolby TrueHD (DTHD) support in the latest (fourth so far) 9.3.0 update to 4150-29. Previously I recall seeing only DD+ and DTS. No change in my connection to the AV receiver (Pioneer VSX-932).



I'm sure my preferred streaming services will be supporting lossless streaming audio imminently.

Still no updates from 9.2.0 Build 4807-29 for my 4640X Ultra. This is unusual for my pair of Rokus since they usually update to the same version within a week or so of each other.
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My 4630X Premier+ just got Dolby TrueHD (DTHD) support in the latest (fourth so far) 9.3.0 update to 4150-29. Previously I recall seeing only DD+ and DTS. No change in my connection to the AV receiver (Pioneer VSX-932).



I'm sure my preferred streaming services will be supporting lossless streaming audio imminently.

Still no updates from 9.2.0 Build 4807-29 for my 4640X Ultra. This is unusual for my pair of Rokus since they usually update to the same version within a week or so of each other.
Yeah, the question is, when will any apps available on Roku devices support TrueHD? The best options would be to add support to the Roku Media Player, since that's the first potential app that might actually have access to TrueHD audio.
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Yeah, the question is, when will any apps available on Roku devices support TrueHD? The best options would be to add support to the Roku Media Player, since that's the first potential app that might actually have access to TrueHD audio.
Mine has updated as well to display Dolby TrueHD as a supported format. I checked Plex, and TrueHD tracks are still playing as AC-3 (Dolby Digital) Direct Play or EC-3 (Dolby Digital Plus) Direct Stream/Convert.
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Mine has updated as well to display Dolby TrueHD as a supported format. I checked Plex, and TrueHD tracks are still playing as AC-3 (Dolby Digital) Direct Play or EC-3 (Dolby Digital Plus) Direct Stream/Convert.
Yeah, Plex will require an update to recognize the new audio support. Hopefully they were aware of it coming are are working it already. I'll have to update the Serviio profiles once RMP supports it.
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I'm sure my preferred streaming services will be supporting lossless streaming audio imminently.
Not likely, it is quite common to see lossless audio on disc in the 5 Mbps range with peaks hitting 12 to 15 Mbps.
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Oh man Roku ultra us getting truehd support? Darn I just spent $200 for the shield pro when all I really needed it for was truehd.

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Trust me, the Shield is still the better choice. It does both framerate and resolution matching, supports any kind of captions, has a Gigabit Ethernet connection, and you also get DTS Master Audio/:X support. I am fine with my Roku devices, but the Shield is still far better for home theater use.

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For those with Roku devices who have the phone app to control it. I have the Roku 3. Can you use the phone app to click onto the Pandora app, scroll through the different music stations created and listen to music in the same manner as it is displayed on the tv? My desire is to use the app, choose pandora from the list and listen to music without turning on my projector.
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For those with Roku devices who have the phone app to control it. I have the Roku 3. Can you use the phone app to click onto the Pandora app, scroll through the different music stations created and listen to music in the same manner as it is displayed on the tv? My desire is to use the app, choose pandora from the list and listen to music without turning on my projector.
Just tried it, and the answer is no. When you select the Pandora app, the Roku starts the channel, but the app on the phone just changes to the remote, with no way to see Pandora and select a station without having the display on.
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Just tried it, and the answer is no. When you select the Pandora app, the Roku starts the channel, but the app on the phone just changes to the remote, with no way to see Pandora and select a station without having the display on.
Thanks for checking it out, that is too bad, it needs an upgrade. I used to have a Squeezebox touch that had a phone app. With it, you can use the phone, choose any of the various music apps such as Pandora, and have a full scrollable display of all the various music stations, which you can choose from or add music through it as well. A nice function to be sure. Unfortunately, it died on me.
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