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That's really interesting, and great that they're testing with a Vertex! - I'll take a look this afternoon...


Ok - seriously impressive.


This is the first time I've seen this from a 1295 box - 23.973fps across the board, the same as the Z9S, same as Oppo 203, same as Panasonic 820.


This should mean the end of microstutters on this box.
Thanks for the verification Mark!

So that should make the differences between the X9S and Z9S to be additional I/O support/memory for the Z9S.
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That's really interesting, and great that they're testing with a Vertex! - I'll take a look this afternoon...


Ok - seriously impressive.


This is the first time I've seen this from a 1295 box - 23.973fps across the board, the same as the Z9S, same as Oppo 203, same as Panasonic 820.


This should mean the end of microstutters on this box.
This is great. It appears that Zidoo was monitoring this forum and looking at all of your testing and results. I think you are a big reason that they were able to fix this issue. Good work, thanks!
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Now if they could just add SMB3 support that works with a Mac, I wouldn't need the Shield for 2D (I play 3D off a hard drive locally, but 2D is used around the house so it's networked and the Shield works fine, but Zidoo does not.

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This is great. It appears that Zidoo was monitoring this forum and looking at all of your testing and results. I think you are a big reason that they were able to fix this issue. Good work, thanks!

Thanks for the vote of confidence - it's appreciated
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That's really interesting, and great that they're testing with a Vertex! - I'll take a look this afternoon...

Ok - seriously impressive.

This is the first time I've seen this from a 1295 box - 23.973fps across the board, the same as the Z9S, same as Oppo 203, same as Panasonic 820.

This should mean the end of microstutters on this box.
Mark hi, I checked tonight as well, it's looking good with 12bit 444.

now someone has to get Dune a Vertex







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...now someone has to get Dune a Vertex

Exactly!
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I've been reading a lot about Zidoo (I have a X10), and other forums, and I read several references to "Vertex". I cant find anything clear a bout this "video tester". What is "Vertex"? Thanks in advance
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I've been reading a lot about Zidoo (I have a X10), and other forums, and I read several references to "Vertex". I cant find anything clear a bout this "video tester". What is "Vertex"? Thanks in advance

Read here for what id does: https://www.hdfury.com/product/vertex-4k60-444-600mhz/

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Does the latest update (V2.1.22) include all the previous updates or do I need to update the unit with every single firmware update?


Also, any issues playing blu ray (1080p), DVD, or 3D (MVC/M2TS) movies with this unit?


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My Zidoo shows up no upgrades available. Are firmware upgrades manual downloads only or something?

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My Zidoo shows up no upgrades available. Are firmware upgrades manual downloads only or something?
Hi, you have to download it to USB drive and load it via the menu
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My Zidoo shows up no upgrades available. Are firmware upgrades manual downloads only or something?

As Zombie said, get it here:

http://forum.zidoo.tv/index.php?thre...release.45016/



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Does the latest update (V2.1.22) include all the previous updates or do I need to update the unit with every single firmware update?...

The updates are full firmware images so no, you don't need to update incrementally.

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I posted this question in the X8 forum but since X8 and X9S are functionally the same, I thought maybe you could help me:


Is it possible to set the X8 to output 1080p/24 (native) and not 4K?

I don’t have any 4K movies. All I have are blu Ray movies, 3D blu rays (mvc/m2ts) and DVDs. All are ripped using “makemkv”. Using External HDD only.

My processor can only pass 1080p (Emotiva XMC-1).

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I posted this question in the X8 forum but since X8 and X9S are functionally the same, I thought maybe you could help me:

Is it possible to set the X8 to output 1080p/24 (native) and not 4K?

I don’t have any 4K movies. All I have are blu Ray movies, 3D blu rays (mvc/m2ts) and DVDs. All are ripped using “makemkv”. Using External HDD only.

My processor can only pass 1080p (Emotiva XMC-1).

Thanks for your help.

Hi, yes you can set the Zidoo to output a specific output in the settings. You can lock it to 1080/24 and it will work fine with 2D and 3D content.
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Since the firmware update, my 3D output is backwards (had to change which eye starts first).

As someone pointed out on their forums, "0" brings up time instead of percentage now regardless of the preference setting.

2D is now refresh rate solid, but only with their viewer which won't work over the network with ZDMC for some reason. Kodi still gets the wrong rate (24Hz instead of 23.98)

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Since the firmware update, my 3D output is backwards (had to change which eye starts first).

As someone pointed out on their forums, "0" brings up time instead of percentage now regardless of the preference setting.

2D is now refresh rate solid, but only with their viewer which won't work over the network with ZDMC for some reason. Kodi still gets the wrong rate (24Hz instead of 23.98)
I only want to play from external USB HDD. No networking.


My 3D files are MKV (MVS) and M2TS.


Is there a special setting for those files to play?


Can Zidoo play both MVC and M2TS 3D? Which one would you suggest to use for 3D, MVC or M2TS? Is there a preference?


I also have a question regarding the poster wall.


Do I need to download this feature or is it embedded in Zidoo?

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Since the firmware update, my 3D output is backwards (had to change which eye starts first).

As someone pointed out on their forums, "0" brings up time instead of percentage now regardless of the preference setting.

2D is now refresh rate solid, but only with their viewer which won't work over the network with ZDMC for some reason. Kodi still gets the wrong rate (24Hz instead of 23.98)
I have watched several 3D movies since I have installed the latest update, everything is as per normal on my end. The relatively few movies that are indeed manufactured "right eye" first still have to be manually switched, but the vast majority of 3D titles which are "left eye" first all play just fine.. without adjustment. And my recently played 2D movies, whether on Home Theater 2 or using ZDMC have also been rock solid using Zidoo's player.
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Hi, yes you can set the Zidoo to output a specific output in the settings. You can lock it to 1080/24 and it will work fine with 2D and 3D content.
Many thanks for your response.


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I only want to play from external USB HDD. No networking.


My 3D files are MKV (MVS) and M2TS.


Is there a special setting for those files to play?


Can Zidoo play both MVC and M2TS 3D? Which one would you suggest to use for 3D, MVC or M2TS? Is there a preference?
I've never tried M2TS 3D. MKV with MVC works great.

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I also have a question regarding the poster wall.


Do I need to download this feature or is it embedded in Zidoo?

It's part of their Home Theater App that's included. ZDMC has to be downloaded (which just calls their player anyway). You can also download regular KODI which generally works as normal using its own playback engine for 2D, at least, but it does seem to get the refresh rates wrong still (Zidoo's own player gets them correct, but it cannot read SMB3 and at least here even though it can read via NFS network (I have both set up on my Mac), it somehow has an issue when I run it from ZDMC (just quits like it can't find it).


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I have watched several 3D movies since I have installed the latest update, everything is as per normal on my end. The relatively few movies that are indeed manufactured "right eye" first still have to be manually switched, but the vast majority of 3D titles which are "left eye" first all play just fine.. without adjustment. And my recently played 2D movies, whether on Home Theater 2 or using ZDMC have also been rock solid using Zidoo's player.
I suppose it's possible I just happened to watch two right eye first movies, but I don't ever recall manually having to switch them when I ran them off a disc player. I watched King Kong: Skull Island and Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children back-to-back. They both used the reverse setting here.

As indicated above, I can't get ZDMC to play network files period. Zidoo's player can't seem to find them (it just quits). Using their own interface/media finder, it cannot read my SMB3 network, but NFS does work. But NFS through ZDMC's interface will not work (don't know if KODI's own NFS path connections are somehow incompatible or what). The player just "quits" when I select an NFS movie in ZDMC. 3D movies work in ZDMC, but they are stored on a local hard drive, not the network.

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I suppose it's possible I just happened to watch two right eye first movies, but I don't ever recall manually having to switch them when I ran them off a disc player. I watched King Kong: Skull Island and Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children back-to-back. They both used the reverse setting here.
Ya, I think you did select 2 movies that are actually "right eye" first... at least I know for certain that Kong:Skull Island is...

As far as the rest, IDK... I don't use Macs... I have a couple 16TB NAS's that I use with SMB file sharing ...have you posted your issue with SMB3/ Mac combo with ZDMC on the Zidoo forum? I mainly use the Home Theater 2 app.... I assume that does not find your files either?
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Ya, I think you did select 2 movies that are actually "right eye" first... at least I know for certain that Kong:Skull Island is...

As far as the rest, IDK... I don't use Macs... I have a couple 16TB NAS's that I use with SMB file sharing ...have you posted your issue with SMB3/ Mac combo with ZDMC on the Zidoo forum? I mainly use the Home Theater 2 app.... I assume that does not find your files either?
Maybe the PS4 auto-corrected the output when I played it the first time watching it off the disc? I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've ever had to manually switch eyes.

Yes, I posted something there, but there's been zero response. Earlier threads on the topic seem to indicate, just put up with the horror show that is SMB1 and be glad they have it at all. At least Nvidia is working on adding SMB3 (they have it on one side now in the latest updates, but they say it will be a couple of months before it works in both directions). SMB1 is a security threat at this point (even Microsoft has banne it in Windows 10 now) and Macs don't work correctly with it at all without using a 3rd party program that disables SMB3 (which is bad since it's more efficient and secure). But I did set up NFS here and it works with Zidoo's own player in media center, but ZDMC somehow doesn't pass it correctly to their player (it just quits the same way it does if you try to pass it a SMB file from ZDMC. ZDMC sees it and uses SMB3 because KODI uses SMB3, but their own media player apparently can't read the end result. I don't know why it can't play NFS files as both support NFS. I can only figure it's a semantic thing or something (the address format in KODI might not parse right or something). I had no trouble using a local drive in either one whether the files on it are 2D or 3D.

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Maybe the PS4 auto-corrected the output when I played it the first time watching it off the disc? I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've ever had to manually switch eyes.
Yes, actual disc players will recognize and correct for the fairly rare Right eye first titles...
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I've never tried M2TS 3D. MKV with MVC works great.




It's part of their Home Theater App that's included. ZDMC has to be downloaded (which just calls their player anyway). You can also download regular KODI which generally works as normal using its own playback engine for 2D, at least, but it does seem to get the refresh rates wrong still (Zidoo's own player gets them correct, but it cannot read SMB3 and at least here even though it can read via NFS network (I have both set up on my Mac), it somehow has an issue when I run it from ZDMC (just quits like it can't find it).




I suppose it's possible I just happened to watch two right eye first movies, but I don't ever recall manually having to switch them when I ran them off a disc player. I watched King Kong: Skull Island and Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children back-to-back. They both used the reverse setting here.

As indicated above, I can't get ZDMC to play network files period. Zidoo's player can't seem to find them (it just quits). Using their own interface/media finder, it cannot read my SMB3 network, but NFS does work. But NFS through ZDMC's interface will not work (don't know if KODI's own NFS path connections are somehow incompatible or what). The player just "quits" when I select an NFS movie in ZDMC. 3D movies work in ZDMC, but they are stored on a local hard drive, not the network.

To be honest with you, I'd like to use Zidoo in the easiest way possible.



Using MVC 3D files, do I still have to play around with left/right eye feature?




You mentioned "It's part of their Home Theater App that's included. ZDMC has to be downloaded (which just calls their player anyway)." Do I still need to download ZDMC if the Home Theater is included and if I want to use the Zidoo internal player (1295)?


I wont use networking/sharing at all just plain external USB (two USBs, One for 2D and one for 3D).


When using home theater app, do you still see your separate folders (for example if you have Dark Knight collection, the matrix collection, ... in your hard drive), or just all the files cover arts in one place?

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Apparently so based on my experience yesterday (I think the PS4 corrected it automatically; frankly I don't know why they didn't have a STANDARD for one in the first place. Why do any movies start with the other eye; it makes no sense.

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No, it's just whether you like that "wall of videos" interface or not. ZDMC uses KODI's interface so it has all kinds of alternate ways to display things. For a large collection, that can make a difference. For 152 3D movies, I'm find with the Wall, really. For my entire collection of around 1000 movies, less so...

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You can see it in the Media Browser (which can also start movies). If you use their Home Theater app, you set it to scan your folders and it just puts them all in this giant wall of video artwork covers (which you can select different ones if you don't like the defaults). When you click on one, it brings up a big art picture and box and ratings and some information about the movie and file, etc. and you can start it there or add it to favorites, etc. or click on actors for more info, etc. It's not a bad interface. Some KODI themes have a similar "wall" available. It's pretty neat looking on a big screen. But KODI has a nice alphabetical list with information that comes up on the side (Media View 3) with the Confluence skin I use (there are others and Confluence isn't the default in regular KODI anymore; they picked this HORRIBLE green themed monstrosity I can't stand).

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Using MVC 3D files, do I still have to play around with left/right eye feature?




You mentioned "It's part of their Home Theater App that's included. ZDMC has to be downloaded (which just calls their player anyway)." Do I still need to download ZDMC if the Home Theater is included and if I want to use the Zidoo internal player (1295)?


I wont use networking/sharing at all just plain external USB (two USBs, One for 2D and one for 3D).


When using home theater app, do you still see your separate folders (for example if you have Dark Knight collection, the matrix collection, ... in your hard drive), or just all the files cover arts in one place?
ZDMC was/is part of the Zidoo firmware as loaded. Depending on what firmware the unit is on, you might not have the latest vision. The latest version of ZDMC is v17.6.1 and can be used on Zidoo X8/X9/X10 running firmware v1.4.12 and higher.

You can download ZDMC v17.6.1 here:
https://github.com/zidootech/ZDMC/releases/tag/17.6.1

You need to un-install the old version first before you install a new version

Likewise "Home Theater 2" was made available in Zidoo X8/X9/X10 firmware updates.

Home Theater 2 and the Media Center APK both use Zidoo hardware for playback and it is often referred to as using internal playback when using these modes. Media Center will display the files on the drive as you have them installed. Home Theater 2 will scrape from IMDB and manage the cover art, etc. associated with that disk volume.

Zidoo Media Center or ZDMC is a fork of Kodi programmed by Zidoo and optimized for the Zidoo units. ZDMC/Kodi will allow you to facilitate playback via Kodi's software based playback engine or use the Zidoo hardware for playback. In other words, you can use either in ZDMC. The Zidoo hardware playback is generally considered to produce better picture quality over the Kodi software. So, you can run with the advantages of Kodi for skins, etc. while using the Zidoo hardware playback. In side ZDMC/Kodi, you will need to select the option to use the external player to use the Zidoo hardware. Note that inside ZDMC/Kodi the Zidoo hardware playback is referred to as "external".

If for some strange reason you feel a need to down load and run straight Kodi, you can do that too. Personally, I see no reason to use ZDMC and I use Home Theater 2.
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Apparently so based on my experience yesterday (I think the PS4 corrected it automatically; frankly I don't know why they didn't have a STANDARD for one in the first place. Why do any movies start with the other eye; it makes no sense.

But MVC is frame packed. Do you still need to choose left/right eye?
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ZDMC was/is part of the Zidoo firmware as loaded. Depending on what firmware the unit is on, you might not have the latest vision. The latest version of ZDMC is v17.6.1 and can be used on Zidoo X8/X9/X10 running firmware v1.4.12 and higher.

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Apparently so based on my experience yesterday (I think the PS4 corrected it automatically; frankly I don't know why they didn't have a STANDARD for one in the first place. Why do any movies start with the other eye; it makes no sense.

Many thanks for all your help and guidance.

I was not able to find a complete manual for X8 anywhere on line. But I think you gave me enough information to start the process.

I'm using an Oppo-103 and I have two USB HDD connected to it (one for 2D BD and DVD, the other for 3D).

I never used a media player before so I'm not familiar with KODI or anything else.

I'd like to replace my Oppo with another player for my ripped movies and it seems like all of them except Zidoo have a few issues playing movies.
And as I mentioned before I don"t play 4K, networking or sharing. Just plain External USB and surprisingly, no media player can play a simple 2D or 3D flawless other than Zidoo.

I ordered my Zidoo X8 a couple of days ago and Hopefully I'll get it soon.

I'm sure after I setup the unit I'll bother you again with more questions.

Thanks again for your time.
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But MVC is frame packed. Do you still need to choose left/right eye?
Based on what I said with my X9S, YES, I had to choose for those two movies.

I don't know anything about the X8 and its capabilities.

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