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CCsoftball7 11-10-2016 07:32 AM

***Official*** Google Chromecast ULTRA owner's thread
 
Since I bought one yesterday and I didn't see an official owner's thread, I thought I would start one. :)

The link to the announcement can be found here.

Initial thoughts:

1. Easy to set up and use
2. Netflix has a definite red push/over saturation of colors (with non-HDR material)
3. YouTube HDR is really fantastic
4. We need more UHD/HDR content (only Netflix and YouTube at this point)
5. Relatively inexpensive and portable

Apps that stream UHD:
1. Netflix (HDR10)
2. YouTube (HDR10)
3. Vudu
4. ????

Please let me know what other apps need to be added.

There is now a product issues log located here

archer75 11-10-2016 08:13 PM

Dolby Vision appears to not be working. On the same tv with picture settings as close as I can make them the built in TV app looks noticeably better with netflix than the chromecast does with netflix. The built in app is more vibrant and seemingly more color accurate. But that could just be dolby vision vs HDR10.

ben12345 11-10-2016 09:07 PM

Netflix App for 4K HDR
 
I have the Ultra. Is there a Netflix app available on the unit itself? When I Cast from my iPhone or iPad using the Chromecast app I downloaded which includes Netflix there is no option for 4K. No 4K or 4K HDR titles show up in the Netflix app on my phone and when I cast from the phone app it is definitely not 4K. In fact the title are poor quality. I have a Samsung JS8500 4K set. When I use the build in app on the Samsung the 4K titles show up in the app and I get 4K but not from the Ultra. I got the Ultra to be able to get Netflix HDR as Samsung as not updated the Netflix app for HDR on the JS8500's yet.

psuKinger 11-11-2016 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben12345 (Post 48099145)
I have the Ultra. Is there a Netflix app available on the unit itself? When I Cast from my iPhone or iPad using the Chromecast app I downloaded which includes Netflix there is no option for 4K. No 4K or 4K HDR titles show up in the Netflix app on my phone and when I cast from the phone app it is definitely not 4K. In fact the title are poor quality. I have a Samsung JS8500 4K set. When I use the build in app on the Samsung the 4K titles show up in the app and I get 4K but not from the Ultra. I got the Ultra to be able to get Netflix HDR as Samsung as not updated the Netflix app for HDR on the JS8500's yet.

Maybe a dumb question, but just to be certain, are you paying for Netflix HDR? I think they actually call it "UHD", but whatever it's called, you have to change your subscription (and pay them a couple more bucks a month) in order to get access to the HDR content...

CCsoftball7 11-11-2016 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben12345 (Post 48099145)
I have the Ultra. Is there a Netflix app available on the unit itself? When I Cast from my iPhone or iPad using the Chromecast app I downloaded which includes Netflix there is no option for 4K. No 4K or 4K HDR titles show up in the Netflix app on my phone and when I cast from the phone app it is definitely not 4K. In fact the title are poor quality. I have a Samsung JS8500 4K set. When I use the build in app on the Samsung the 4K titles show up in the app and I get 4K but not from the Ultra. I got the Ultra to be able to get Netflix HDR as Samsung as not updated the Netflix app for HDR on the JS8500's yet.

There is no 4K section on the phone app like there is on the TV apps. I definitely get HDR with Marco Polo and the other HDR shows. One thing I wish they would do is allow us to see the actual resolution (like in the other Netflix apps).

bdraw 11-11-2016 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCsoftball7 (Post 48103033)
There is no 4K section on the phone app like there is on the TV apps. I definitely get HDR with Marco Polo and the other HDR shows. One thing I wish they would do is allow us to see the actual resolution (like in the other Netflix apps).



What is your setup? Because I'm definitely not getting DV on my LG B6 when casting Marco Polo on Netflix from my iPhone. It is 4k and DD+, just no HDR. Tried with CCU connected directly to my TV and via my AVR. DV on the same episode plays fine with the TVs netflix app and HDR works fine from my UHD BD player via the same AVR input.


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archer75 11-11-2016 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdraw (Post 48103769)
What is your setup? Because I'm definitely not getting DV on my LG B6 when casting Marco Polo on Netflix from my iPhone. It is 4k and DD+, just no HDR. Tried with CCU connected directly to my TV and via my AVR. DV on the same episode plays fine with the TVs netflix app and HDR works fine from my UHD BD player via the same AVR input.


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DV isn't working. But I have the same tv and I get hdr and 4k.

bdraw 11-11-2016 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archer75 (Post 48103801)
DV isn't working. But I have the same tv and I get hdr and 4k.



So you see the HDR banner in the top right corner when the show starts to play?


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CCsoftball7 11-11-2016 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdraw (Post 48103769)
What is your setup? Because I'm definitely not getting DV on my LG B6 when casting Marco Polo on Netflix from my iPhone. It is 4k and DD+, just no HDR. Tried with CCU connected directly to my TV and via my AVR. DV on the same episode plays fine with the TVs netflix app and HDR works fine from my UHD BD player via the same AVR input.

I have used multiple devices, but have a Sony 940C (HDR10) TV. I can't tell if DV is enabled or not, although others have stated DV does not work for them.

ben12345 11-11-2016 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psuKinger (Post 48102273)
Maybe a dumb question, but just to be certain, are you paying for Netflix HDR? I think they actually call it "UHD", but whatever it's called, you have to change your subscription (and pay them a couple more bucks a month) in order to get access to the HDR content...

Yes I have Netflix and am paying for 4K and I get it just fine on my Samsung JS8500. I did see today that when I cast from my Iphone it does indicated 4K but not HDR. I tried Season 1 of Daredevil which is in HDR but the HDR logo did not show up. I also checked first season of Marco Polo with same results. It does appear I am getting 4K but not with HDR. I only bought the unit to get HDR on Netflix.

archer75 11-11-2016 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdraw (Post 48104313)
So you see the HDR banner in the top right corner when the show starts to play?


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Yes

CCsoftball7 11-11-2016 01:28 PM

So I can see a 4k logo in the Play Store, but no way to order or watch. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...0328d87e37.jpg

Perpendicular 11-11-2016 06:52 PM

I ordered a Chromecast Ultra a couple of days ago on the 8th. Google stated there were limited quantities so I figured I better order now or I'll have to wait and get it at a store front like Best Buy. I stopped at Target today and there sits on the shelf about a dozen brand new Chromecast Ultra units. Of course, I won't be seeing mine until next Thursday. :rolleyes:

CCsoftball7 11-11-2016 07:25 PM

From what I can gather, it looks like the Paramount titles (Star Trek Series) are going to be available on Google Play Movies. The 4K badge is there.

fafrd 11-12-2016 12:25 PM

General question for Chromecast Ultra owners: what are the options to control the device and which work best?

If I understand correctly, there is no remote and so the Ultra needs to be controlled from an app running on a tablet, phone, or laptop.

I currently use an app on my iPad to control my 65EF9500 OLED, so I'm familiar with how that works and so loading the Chromecast Ultra App on the same iPad would be easy and natural for me, but are there any issues/limitations in using an Apple device to control the Golgle Chromecast Ultra?

Getting the same app on an Apple or Google phone is clear, but how would it run from a PC - what communication channel is used?

It seems as though I've read that the PC interface may provide enhanced capability, especially when it comes to playing HDR content (VUDU), but I would appreciate any clarification as to whether there are in fact significant advantages to controlling the Ultra from a PC and what is needed to make it work.

Running off of a tablet or phone = very easy.

Running off of a PC = less so.

archer75 11-12-2016 12:33 PM

***Official*** Google Chromecast ULTRA owner's thread
 
You don't need an app to use the Chromecast. Just to set it up. Then you just cast from your individual apps. The stream is not being sent from your phone. It just tells the Chromecast where to find the stream. Same from the pc.

Chromecasts all work fine from ios. No limitations. Well, there is one. You can't cast your screen. Basically mirroring your phone on the tv. I find that I don't ever need to do that so it's not an issue for me.

fafrd 11-12-2016 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archer75 (Post 48132617)
You don't need an app to use the Chromecast. Just to set it up. Then you just cast from your individual apps. The stream is not being sent from your phone. It just tells the Chromecast where to find the stream. Same from the pc.

Chromecasts all work fine from ios. No limitations. Well, there is one. You can't cast your screen. Basically mirroring your phone on the tv. I find that I don't ever need to do that so it's not an issue for me.

Yes, I understood that the actual cast is through the Ultra and not through the phone/pad/PC, and for phone or iPad with IRDA/Bluetooth or whatever communication interface is used, no questions.

But I'm confused about how a PC/laptop communicates with the Ultra for setup - is it also using IRDA or Bluetooth and does it need to be line of site?

Trivially easy to pick up a phone or tablet, aim it at the TV/Ultra and use it like a remote. Picking up a laptop is a lot more bothersome.

But if you are telling me that the functionality is identical, it's an academic question, since I'll plan to use my iPad.

Don't care in the least about mirroring my phone to my TV; just getting VUDU Dolby Vision w/Atmos streams to properly render DV on my 65B6P OLED TV while my Marantz NR1606 AVR properly renders Atmos sound.

Sounds as though I need to get one of these...

archer75 11-12-2016 01:15 PM

No, you don't use your phone or tablet like a traditional remote and point it at the screen. It's all over wifi. So pc,tablet and phone all cast the same way. Android tvs have casting built in as well.
And you can cast some stuff to the lg without a Chromecast as it and others just use the open source dial protocol.


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MarkMul1 11-12-2016 01:55 PM

I have been keeping an eye on these threads and I still have not seeen a POSITIVE yes that this will do Dolby vision and atmos. I think I've seen some getting atmos but not DV. Maybe I missed it. Has anyone had DV from this device?

Super bonus if you also had atmos.

Thanks

fafrd 11-12-2016 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkMul1 (Post 48134129)
I have been keeping an eye on these threads and I still have not seeen a POSITIVE yes that this will do Dolby vision and atmos. I think I've seen some getting atmos but not DV. Maybe I missed it. Has anyone had DV from this device?

Super bonus if you also had atmos.

Thanks

VUDU DV plays as 2160p Rec.2020 and looks as good or better than the DV playback directly to the OLED (all while rendering Atmos through the AVR) so in terms of video quality, it's pretty much confirmed (while there may need to be some eventual update to eventually have is say Dolby Vision for the same output).

It may actually just be an issue with the TV App at this point - we should get someone with a Vizio P yo try the same test.

fafrd 11-12-2016 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archer75 (Post 48133465)
No, you don't use your phone or tablet like a traditional remote and point it at the screen. It's all over wifi. So pc,tablet and phone all cast the same way. Android tvs have casting built in as well.
And you can cast some stuff to the lg without a Chromecast as it and others just use the open source dial protocol.


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That's the missing link I was seeking - thanks.

CCsoftball7 11-12-2016 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkMul1 (Post 48134129)
I have been keeping an eye on these threads and I still have not seeen a POSITIVE yes that this will do Dolby vision and atmos. I think I've seen some getting atmos but not DV. Maybe I missed it. Has anyone had DV from this device?

Super bonus if you also had atmos.

Thanks

I wish I could help you with DV. I haven't seen anyone confirm DV either.

DanBa 11-12-2016 02:48 PM

According to Jake from VUDU Engineering,
https://forum.vudu.com/showthread.ph...60#post1294460

"The VUDU Chromecast app supports Dolby Vision.

But whether is is passed from the Chomecast, through specific receivers or into a specific model TV is up to the manufacturers of those devices to properly support. Unfortunately there can be various compatibility issues related to 4K (@60Hz etc), Dolby Vision, and HDCP 2.2 that can prevent it.

Of the TVs that we have tried it has been pretty inconsistent, unfortunately. We have been reporting issues found to manufacturers, but encourage you to do the same."

"According to Google, the Chromecast only supports Dolby Vision if the TV accepts [email protected] 10 bit input, not [email protected] So you'd have to take that up with Google and/or LG...".

MarkMul1 11-12-2016 04:17 PM

^^^^

Thanks for the heads up. Seems like the first hardware DV device is the Ginny pig.

Shall be interesting to see where it goes. That is my only missing puzzle piece, DV and Atmos together. Or HDR and Atmos together, streamed.

At least I can pop my discs in.

korsjs 11-12-2016 04:21 PM

Netflix will do 4K HDR, not DV, and I only have the option for Stereo for the sound. No 5.1. Anyone else with stereo only?

UFC app does not work. I get "video not available". I did get one video to play for about a minute then got the same error. Works fine with first gen chromecast. Could someone check if they have the UFC app?

I am using the Ethernet option.

You Tube HDR looked amazing.

lovingdvd 11-13-2016 10:52 AM

I have a Roku Ultra but am happy to ditch it of the Chromecast Ultra is better. Anyone know if it can do things that the Roku can't, like 24hz Netflix/Amazon and or work more reliably for 4K HDR?

CCsoftball7 11-13-2016 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lovingdvd (Post 48147217)
I have a Roku Ultra but am happy to ditch it of the Chromecast Ultra is better. Anyone know if it can do things that the Roku can't, like 24hz Netflix/Amazon and or work more reliably for 4K HDR?

It will do Netflix 4K HDR reliably, but I don't have issues with the Roku Ultra either.

lovingdvd 11-13-2016 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCsoftball7 (Post 48147617)
It will do Netflix 4K HDR reliably, but I don't have issues with the Roku Ultra either.

I mainly want to know if it will do Netflix and Amazon at 24 fps...?

fafrd 11-13-2016 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lovingdvd (Post 48147721)
I mainly want to know if it will do Netflix and Amazon at 24 fps...?

No Amazon at all...

(And also the Chromecast Ultra is not available through Amazon ;-).

CCsoftball7 11-13-2016 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lovingdvd (Post 48147721)
I mainly want to know if it will do Netflix and Amazon at 24 fps...?

I have no way to tell on Netflix. I see no issue with the PQ, so to me it doesn't matter.


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