Originally Posted by mdavej
As you've probably read in the C71 thread, many have given very detailed reviews. Bottom line is the user experience is quite close to a satellite DVR, except no live buffers yet, and of course it's still quite buggy.
Hopefully they've gotten the bugs worked out. I read mixed things on that front. At least for some, it sounds like it works flawlessly with DTVN now. As for the live buffer, yeah, they've gotta have that. Traditional cable/sat has it and YouTube TV has it (right?), so AT&T TV must as well, esp. when using their own C71 box. (IMO, they should've had the C71 built with a bit of flash memory inside that could locally buffer at least 30 minutes of live 4K video in order to allow for reliable trick play. This is basically how Comcast's streaming boxes work; they just have an SD card inserted for that purpose.)
Originally Posted by mdavej
My guess is this box will not require a commitment of any significant length. Satellite requires a commitment because the DVR itself is worth several hundred dollars, the dish and installation labor several hundred more, probably totaling at least a grand. The Osprey box, on the other hand, is worth about $150, if you're being generous, and has no other associated hardware or labor costs.
I'd say that a fair retail value for the Osprey C71 would be just a little more than the Mi Box S
, which also supports 4K HDR and runs Android TV but has slightly weaker specs and a simpler remote. It only costs $60, although that's priced so that the manufacturer can make a profit, including distribution costs. I'd say a fair retail value for the C71 would be maybe $80 but given that AT&T won't presumably seek to make a profit on it, I could see them selling them for $60 max, maybe $50 (same as Amazon's Fire TV 4K Stick).
As you say, I expect the first C71 to be free somehow, but that might be offset by a modest up-front contract, or requiring prepayment of the first 2-3 months of service, or charging a modest $30 "self-install fee" that includes express shipping of the C71 as part of your welcome package to AT&T TV. For those customers who want additional boxes for other TVs (as opposed to just using the AT&T TV app on Roku, Apple TV or Fire TV -- as all AT&T TV Now subs will do on ALL their TVs), then they'll need to buy them through ATT.com or at their local AT&T Store.
Originally Posted by Ph8te
but for those that have it or want a “full” replacement and are not considering cordcutting I can envision them easily moving to the new service. This would especially be the case if ATT decides to do allow streaming via service with no impact to caps on mobile/internet plans.
AT&T already waives your AT&T Internet/Fiber broadband data cap if you also subscribe to DTVN. Going forward, I definitely expect that to be the case for AT&T TV. Whether or not they'll continue to do that for AT&T TV Now, we'll see. They're definitely going to position AT&T TV as the thing to be bundled with their home internet service and I only expect AT&T TV to qualify for a bundling discount, not AT&T TV Now.
I expect streaming data from both services to be zero-rated against data usage on AT&T Wireless plans.