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Does anyone know what the HDR on/off switch in the advanced menu does?


Firmware notes say it's for non-HDR displays, so I would assume it should apply some gamma and colour processing to the video to display acceptably on a Rec.709 display and maybe remove the HDR meta-data, but it doesn't appear to do anything at all to either the picture or the metadata.


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For me it does a wonderful job of blowing the color out.
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For me it does a wonderful job of blowing the color out.

Wow, ok - I've just been messing with it in the cinema to see if I can get it to do anything, and mine does absolutely nothing whatsoever to the colour - can I ask which firmware version you're using?


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Wow, ok - I've just been messing with it in the cinema to see if I can get it to do anything, and mine does absolutely nothing whatsoever to the colour - can I ask which firmware version you're using?


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Note, that I do not currently have the Zappiti attached to a 4k display.

I'm running the lastest version of firmware.
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Note, that I do not currently have the Zappiti attached to a 4k display.

I'm running the lastest version of firmware.

Ah, I wonder if that mode only works at 2K - Out of interest I'll try throwing a 2K EDID at it and see what it does.
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Does anyone know what the HDR on/off switch in the advanced menu does?


Firmware notes say it's for non-HDR displays, so I would assume it should apply some gamma and colour processing to the video to display acceptably on a Rec.709 display and maybe remove the HDR meta-data, but it doesn't appear to do anything at all to either the picture or the metadata.


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I tried the setting on my 1080p projector.
I played hdr 4k files and had the hdr set to off on zappiti.
The image was washed out etc, as it should on a non hdr set..
When I turned on the hdr switch in zappiti, the hdr movie now looked awesome and correct.. Colors were rich and true and not washed oit...

If playing non hdr material, turn off the hdr switch in zappiti. As it will screw up your colors.mske them over blown ert

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Does anyone know what the HDR on/off switch in the advanced menu does?


Firmware notes say it's for non-HDR displays, so I would assume it should apply some gamma and colour processing to the video to display acceptably on a Rec.709 display and maybe remove the HDR meta-data, but it doesn't appear to do anything at all to either the picture or the metadata.


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I tried the setting on my 1080p projector.
I played hdr 4k files and had the hdr set to off on zappiti.
The image was washed out etc, as it should on a non hdr set..
When I turned on the hdr switch in zappiti, the hdr movie now looked awesome and correct.. Colors were rich and true and not washed oit...

If playing non hdr material, turn off the hdr switch in zappiti. As it will screw up your colors.makes them over blown out

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I tried the setting on my 1080p projector.
I played hdr 4k files and had the hdr set to off on zappiti.
The image was washed out etc, as it should on a non hdr set..
When I turned on the hdr switch in zappiti, the hdr movie now looked awesome and correct.. Colors were rich and true and not washed oit...

If playing non hdr material, turn off the hdr switch in zappiti. As it will screw up your colors.makes them over blown out

Sent from my LG-H831 using Tapatalk

Right - this makes sense now - if the sink (eg. projector) shows HDR in its EDID, then it looks like the HDR switch is inactive, but if the sink doesn't do HDR, then the switch emulates HDR with some funky colour settings.


Thanks for the info!
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And how is your audio output settings in Zappiti? Auto, Raw or LPCM?
I am pretty sure that Multi-channel LPCM is not supported at the moment, at least it didn`t work for me the last time i tried but you should still get 2-channel.
What software did you rip the movie with? I would try re-ripping it again and see if it works better second time.
I will have to triple check at home but I think lpcm multichannel should be supported. Make sure the volume on the zappiti player is not all the way down though. I have kill bill Vol 1 and 2 blu rays that have multichannel lpcm and I believe it worked fine.

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Can't seem to find any posts about this issue, so it may be just me, but Zappiti Media Center does not identify Atmos, DTS-HD & DTS-X soundtracks correctly


Atmos tracks are identified as Dolby True-HD
DTS-HD as DTS
DTS-X as DTS


The files are MKV and obviously show correct codec identification with MediaInfo


Is this normal and if not has anyone any idea how to fix it (other than trawling my library and changing manually)?
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I think it`s normal yes, it happens to me as well sometimes and i usually edit my new adds because i like to change the default poster art so i edit the codec info at the same time. I am not sure why it can`t detect the correct codec but i am curious to know too if anyone here have a fix.
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Hey Guys, this is absolutely normal. There is not one player on the market, be it a disc player or a media player, that can decode Atmos and DTS-X. They can only bitstream the Dolby True-HD and the DTS-HD codecs to enabled AVP's/AVR's which can then decode the embedded metadata and output, and display on their on board screens, the Atmos and DTS-X stuff. The players cannot see the Atmos and DTS-X embedded metadata and only sees the True-HD and DTS-HD codecs.

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Hey Guys, this is absolutely normal. There is not one player on the market, be it a disc player or a media player, that can decode Atmos and DTS-X. They can only bitstream the Dolby True-HD and the DTS-HD codecs to enabled AVP's/AVR's which can then decode the embedded metadata and output, and display on their on board screens, the Atmos and DTS-X stuff. The players cannot see the Atmos and DTS-X embedded metadata and only sees the True-HD and DTS-HD codecs.
The question is not one of decoding, but of identification. Some of my files are correctly identified as Atmos but Zappiti is not decoding the file to be able to tell you what kind of audio the movie has. From what I can figure out, all of this come down to the metadata stored in the file, so when we edit the metadata, we can tell Zappiti that the file has an Atmos soundtrack (or 4K/etc) and Zappiti will display Atmos. I can change the settings to say the file is 3.1 and Zappiti will display it as such.
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Having just added a couple more titles, Zappiti Media Center doesn't seem to bother gathering any meta-data from the files anymore - all the technical information fields were blank and had to be filled in...


I also found that yesterday when I trawled through my entire collection to manually add missing fields - some titles had some of the data fields populated, albeit not entirely correctly, but most had no technical information at all.
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I guess the question is where does that information (the metadata) come from in the first place. Does the software that rips the movie create it? Is the user supposed to add it after it’s been ripped?
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I guess the question is where does that information (the metadata) come from in the first place. Does the software that rips the movie create it? Is the user supposed to add it after it’s been ripped?

I always rip just the movie to MKV, but whatever the file format, you'll always get aspect ratio, video/audio codec, subtitle information meta data etc "built in".


I seem to remember reading somewhere that Zappiti used MediaInfo to parse that data, but it would seem not.
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Can you use nfs shares with zappiti or smb only?
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But it has no problem with full fat UHD rips on SMB shares.
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But it has no problem with full fat UHD rips on SMB shares.
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Just have a quick dumb question but I just got my Mini and will setup when I get home from work, but is it okay to leave this player sitting on it's side?

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Yes, there are no moving parts inside, it's a motherboard with some chips. The usb ports however are on the side. Either way, the mini is the size of your hand tiny and will fit virtually anywhere.
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Yes, there are no moving parts inside, it's a motherboard with some chips. The usb ports however are on the side. Either way, the mini is the size of your hand tiny and will fit virtually anywhere.
Thanks for the that, cause on the Amazon site the thing looks like the size of a small laptop. No if F'N post office could just an actual delivery properly I can try this thing out.

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Still waiting on my Mini to show up but was curious how you would compare the video quality on BR rips using the Zappiti to the Nvidia Shield?

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Does it use smb 3.0? Its been awhile since i used smb not overly familiar anymore.

I used the powershell command get-smbsession but the dialect to show what its using is not displayed.

I am basically asking because when I run certain programs that use bandwidth on my network i get occasional stutter on my zappiti, yet plex plays the same files fine, even if this program is barely using bandwidth zappiti has random stutter until i stop or close it. I had the same problem with dune years ago which also used smb, with plex never had an issue from 2013 to 2017. It works fine when its not opened or running, very strange.


Edited: looks like its using smb v1. When I disable smb1 i cant play files until i re-enable it.

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Still waiting on my Mini to show up but was curious how you would compare the video quality on BR rips using the Zappiti to the Nvidia Shield?

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Noticeably better than the Shield for local file playback. Comparable with Oppo 203 for picture quality.

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Noticeably better than the Shield for local file playback. Comparable with Oppo 203 for picture quality.
Thanks for the info looking forward to setting it up this weekend.

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I have all my movie files stored on a Raid array on my HTPC and have the individual folders shared using Windows 10, will the Zappiti just see the shared files on my HTPC?

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Noticeably better than the Shield for local file playback. Comparable with Oppo 203 for picture quality.
I agree. Definitely better than the Shield for local playback.
It is also noticeably better than the OPPO 203 (based on S&M_2 patterns).

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I have all my movie files stored on a Raid array on my HTPC and have the individual folders shared using Windows 10, will the Zappiti just see the shared files on my HTPC?
You should be fine. The Zappiti will see the shared folders.

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You should be fine. The Zappiti will see the shared folders.
Well I am using Windows 10 and I have shared my folders, but when I choose "Workgroup" on Zappiti player it ask for a username and password which I don't have.
Do I have to use "Homegroup" on Windows to make the folders show up on the Zappitit?
Not sure how else to find the folders.

Guess I could load Kodi on the player and access them that way but would that still give me the quality of video playback.

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