Just to bring everyone up to speed, I asked forum member and author of Blu-ray Ripper, ( https://www.dropbox.com/sh/25w69pxf0...4l27pcrka?dl=0
, for a brief overview of the types of subs that are used in studio authored Blu-Ray discs. Below is concise and easy to follow description:
“Normal = Subtitle events that have to be turned on to see. These events can be anything from the movie subtitles to closed captioning to director comments.
Forced = Subtitle events that are flagged in a subtitle track to appear without user interaction. These types of events are used when languages are spoken in the movie that a viewer would not necessarily understand.
Type 1 (Normal and Forced events contained in a single track) Movie example: Avatar. Type 1 subtitle tracks do not always require authored discs to see the subtitles. It does require a player that can detect the flagged events.
Type 2 (Forced events only) Movie example: John Carter. Type 2 subtitle tracks usually require a player to understand authored discs and the detection of flagged events in order for the events to be displayed.
Type 3 (Normal events that should be flagged as Forced events but are not) Movie example: Gran Torino. Type 3 subtitle tracks always require a player to understand authored discs in order for the events to be displayed.”
If you only create full ISO and need or want menus, then this discussion is not for you. With that said, let’s begin:
Clown_BD has been the program of choice for many to create backup “Main Movie ISOs” of their collection (Just Main Movie, HD Audio, Sub and Forced Titles). Clown_BD cuts down the size of the movie backup by nearly 30% without any loss of quality, had support for Type 1 and Type 2 forced subtitles and allowed for faster playback loading due to lack of the bloat that comes when creating a full ISO. Clown_BD did not support Type 3 at all. Hence the issue when dealing with movies that were authored with this method. Any user, that had a Media player that supported BD menus/BD engine for playback, found Clown_BD to be extremely useful. I have received many PMs over the past several weeks
asking how I prepare my backups for use with the Dunes and decided to create this thread to keep all discussions and different methods in one location.
The reason I decided to revisit some of my collection with forced sub titles (all were created with Clown_BD) was to create a more elegant or cleaner backup. I wanted only Type 1 sub/forced event tracks even if the original disc had a Type 2 or Type 3. Using BD Ripper, I am now able to do this. It allows Type 2 and Type 3 to be “merged” into a Type 1 track containing the main track with forced events.
The Dunes have a “fast switch” subtitle option in the settings that allow a single button press to toggle the main track on and off without seeing a menu. By creating a Type 1 track, even when the original disc did not have it, I can now enjoy fast toggling between forced events and main track with a single quick button press. The Dunes honor the forced events without user intervention. However, on occasion, I need to toggle the main track to better understand missed dialog. This is very convenient.
Listed below, are some of the titles that would benefit by creating a merged "Type 1" track. I am sure there are quite a few more in others collections. I hope it helps some of you better understand how efficient Blu-ray Ripper is at handling forced subs and "Movie only" ISO creation. If you are interested in creating a ISO or Folder Structure backup for your Dune or some earlier media player that has a BD Engine give it a try.
Title _____________________________ Time Stamp of 1st forced event
The Avengers 2D/3D _______________________ 00:12:12
World War Z 2D/3D ______________________ 00:19:42
Captain America: First Avenger 2D/3D ______________________ 00:03:51
Captain America: Winter Soldier 2D/3D_____________________ 00:07:04
Captain America: Civil War 2D/3D ______________________ 00:01:05
Captain Phillips ______________________ 00:04:36
District 9 ______________________ 00:04:55
Birth of a Nation ______________________ 00:01:19
X-Men: First Class ______________________ 00:04:33
Transformers: Age of Extinction 2D/3D ______________________ 01:06:05
Life of Pi 2D/3D ______________________ 00:12:56
30 Days of Night ______________________ 00:35:58
The Martian 2D/3D ______________________ 01:20:40
Rise of the Planet of the Apes ______________________ 00:49:02
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes 2D/3D ______________________ 00:03:59
The Godfather ______________________ 00:42:31
The Godfather Part 2 ______________________ 00:03:01
The Godfather Part 3 ______________________ 00:49:40
Star Trek: The Motion Picture ________________00:04:40
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock ________________00:08:43
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier ________________00:24:19
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country _____________ 00:28:31
Stars Wars: A New Hope _____________________00:49:59
Star Wars: Return of the Jedi ____________________00:09:59
Stars Wars: The Phantom Menace ___________________00:31:43
Star Wars: Attach of the Clones __________________00:05:12
2012 ___________________ 00:09:02
Kill Bill Vol 1 _____________________ 00:15:13
Kill Bill Vol 2 __________________ 00:47:11
Gran Torino _______________ 00:10:11
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2D/3D ______________ 00:12:11
The Revenant __________________ 00:01:04
The Wolverine_________ 00:20:52
Allied __________ 00:05:17
Jackie _____________ 00:13:05
Dances with Wolves __________ 00:31:59
X-Men Apocalypse 2D/3D___________ 00:03:19
The Dictator _________ 00:38:53
The Walk 2D/3D _____________ 00:05:19
Assassins Creed 2D/3D ______ 00:01:55