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Are we really questioning the merits of 5.1 sound over 2 channel in the year 2020? Wow, I never thought I'd see push back on that one. It's 2020 and we are now into lossless sound. 5.1 lossy sound is the least we could ask for.

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Are we really questioning the merits of 5.1 sound over 2 channel in the year 2020? Wow, I never thought I'd see push back on that one. It's 2020 and we are now into lossless sound. 5.1 lossy sound is the least we could ask for.

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For streaming my movies yes, absolutely, there is a lot of merit and value. But for regular TV shows, sports, news, etc, which is what I generally watch on YTTV, it’s not a huge deal to me. If they add it without increasing the cost or reducing the video quality fine I’ll take it but it doesn’t bother me the way it is.


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For streaming my movies yes, absolutely, there is a lot of merit and value. But for regular TV shows, sports, news, etc, which is what I generally watch on YTTV, it’s not a huge deal to me. If they add it without increasing the cost or reducing the video quality fine I’ll take it but it doesn’t bother me the way it is.


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Ok I understand. It's very important to me in general. I will say I'm switching over soon anyway even if they don't add it. I'm sick of ATT TV Now.

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Other than sports and news, I mainly watch scripted dramas on FX, AMC, USA, etc., and the networks. For the networks, I get 5.1 audio via free OTA. I don't see how rebroadcasting that same signal would force YouTube TV to raise the price of the service. They supposedly already offer 5.1 audio for select on demand content on certain devices. If it's a question of saving bandwidth, they could give the user the option of toggling the audio quality just like the video quality, and just like they currently do for alternate audio feeds.
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No, we're not. The question is about the impact given the actual content being presented via YTTV.

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Are we really questioning the merits of 5.1 sound over 2 channel in the year 2020? Wow, I never thought I'd see push back on that one. It's 2020 and we are now into lossless sound. 5.1 lossy sound is the least we could ask for.

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No, we're not. The question is about the impact given the actual content being presented via YTTV.
I just want 5.1 sound, that's all I'm saying. No big deal if others don't care, that's fine but I really want it. I find it enhances most broadcasts.

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After 2+ years with YTTV (and before that 2 years with PS Vue), I've kind of gotten used to no 5.1 audio on most scripted dramas I watch, using my AVR to process a surround sound effect. But then when I watch the same show, or similar show, on Netflix or Prime, I'm quickly reminded how much the 5.1 enhances the experience.

Case in point, a couple months ago, we got a free month of Epix from YouTube TV, but unfortunately not even the Epix app on Roku offered 5.1 audio. After the month ended, I signed up for a free 30-day trial of Epix on Prime. Watching the same shows (Get Shorty and Berlin Station), I definitely appreciate the difference 5.1 audio makes. The starkest contrast is CW shows. For some reason, the sound from my local broadcast channel is terrible on every CW show. But watching the same show on Netflix is a world of difference.
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After 2+ years with YTTV (and before that 2 years with PS Vue), I've kind of gotten used to no 5.1 audio on most scripted dramas I watch, using my AVR to process a surround sound effect. But then when I watch the same show, or similar show, on Netflix or Prime, I'm quickly reminded how much the 5.1 enhances the experience.



Case in point, a couple months ago, we got a free month of Epix from YouTube TV, but unfortunately not even the Epix app on Roku offered 5.1 audio. After the month ended, I signed up for a free 30-day trial of Epix on Prime. Watching the same shows (Get Shorty and Berlin Station), I definitely appreciate the difference 5.1 audio makes. The starkest contrast is CW shows. For some reason, the sound from my local broadcast channel is terrible on every CW show. But watching the same show on Netflix is a world of difference.
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Count me in as a fan of 5.1 as well. When I switch between sources with 5.1 and 2.0 with the simulated surround on my setup (same program), I can hear the difference, it's more dynamic.

I also agree that in 2020, there's really no reason not to carry it, especially as more people cut the cord and switch to these alternatives. And we know it's possible.
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Count me in as a fan of 5.1 as well. When I switch between sources with 5.1 and 2.0 with the simulated surround on my setup (same program), I can hear the difference, it's more dynamic.



I also agree that in 2020, there's really no reason not to carry it, especially as more people cut the cord and switch to these alternatives. And we know it's possible.
Plus the upmix sound I think isn't that good. Sometimes it does an ok job, sometimes it's a little better than ok and sometimes it's downright awful. That's just my opinion. Upmix is nothing like the real time 5.1.

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I just want 5.1 sound, that's all I'm saying. No big deal if others don't care, that's fine but I really want it. I find it enhances most broadcasts.

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I really want 5.1 Sound as well. I have the system for it and am used to it from many years at DTV
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I can't imagine anybody not wanting at least 5.1 sound unless they're deaf in one ear. The question is, does the lack of it keep you from subscribing from Youtube TV? From the posts in this thread, only a few find 5.1 important enough to keep them from using YTTV at all. I'd love to have 5.1, but not enough to pay AT&T or some other cable company an additional $20/month to get it when I can get PLII for free. Not true 5.1, but close enough.
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I would love 5.1, but not enough to make me pay for cable. Only my theater room has surround sound anyways and we don't watch much TV in that room, mostly movies (not on YTTV). I'd be great for sports though as I do watch football on the projector. I keep hearing they will add 5.1 soon, hopefully it finally happens (without a price increase).

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I direct messaged them and they have the same canned response. We have no information on adding 5.1 sound at this time. Blah blah blah. I just don't understand how they see this as a big deal. I don't think it would cost them much or anything.

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They DEFINITELY need to add 5.1 if they raise their price anytime soon.
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HBO, HBO Max and Cinemax

They are now live on YouTube TV.

HBO is $14.99 and is Cinemax $9.99. East Feeds only. 7 HBO channels, 8 Cinemax channels

HBO Max is $14.99 a month, in addition to HBO. At least when I tried to add it, through YouTube TV, with having a subscription to HBO and Cinemax, through YouTube TV

All three services have a 7 day preview.

For those who use Roku or Amazon Fire, there is no app available for HBO Max yet.
It is available on Android Smart TVs and Samsung Smart TVs (2016 onward).

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HBO, HBO Max and Cinemax

They are now live on YouTube TV.

HBO is $14.99 and is Cinemax $9.99. East Feeds only. 7 HBO channels, 8 Cinemax channels

HBO Max is $14.99 a month, in addition to HBO. At least when I tried to add it, through YouTube TV, with having a subscription to HBO and Cinemax, through YouTube TV

All three services have a 7 day preview.

For those who use Roku or Amazon Fire, there is no app available for HBO Max yet.
It is available on Android Smart TVs and Samsung Smart TVs (2016 onward).
I have YTTV, and see HBOMAX available. I already have the HBOMAX on PC and Android phones, with AT&T WatchTV credentials. Can I use HBOMAX with YTTV with AT&T WatchTV sign in????

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I am not an expert here, but if you have it through AT&T anything, than you already have it. And, it probably is free through AT&T anything. At least an article I read that if you have AT&T cable, phone, DirectTv, internet, phone, etc.

This was the same article that indicated that HBO Max was free to YouTube TV subscribers if they subscribe to HBO.

Like everything else with AT&T; confusion reigns

https://variety.com/2020/digital/new...ee-1234616599/


YouTube TV: HBO Max will be available as an add-on to YouTube TV customers at launch; users must log in separately to an HBO Max app on a supported platform.

This clears up the confusion:


https://www.androidcentral.com/you-c...ugh-youtube-tv


HBO Max must be paid for separately from HBO


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I have YTTV, and see HBOMAX available. I already have the HBOMAX on PC and Android phones, with AT&T WatchTV credentials. Can I use HBOMAX with YTTV with AT&T WatchTV sign in????

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I am not an expert here, but if you have it through AT&T anything, than you already have it. And, it probably is free through AT&T anything. At least an article I read that if you have AT&T cable, phone, DirectTv, internet, phone, etc.



This was the same article that indicated that HBO Max was free to YouTube TV subscribers if they subscribe to HBO.


Like everything else with AT&T; confusion reigns
HBO GO should work as a streaming app via Roku or Amazon streaming devices.
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I have YTTV, and see HBOMAX available. I already have the HBOMAX on PC and Android phones, with AT&T WatchTV credentials. Can I use HBOMAX with YTTV with AT&T WatchTV sign in????
No. You can't integrate a separate subscription into YTTV. But as others have said, you can probably use your credentials on whatever HBO app works with Max. I've heard that people are having to sideload the Android TV HBO MAX app on Fire sticks. HBO GO and NOW aren't showing MAX content, according to what reports I've seen so far.

Has your AT&T Watch login worked on HBO GO in the past?
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No. You can't integrate a separate subscription into YTTV. But as others have said, you can probably use your credentials on whatever HBO app works with Max. I've heard that people are having to sideload the Android TV HBO MAX app on Fire sticks. HBO GO and NOW aren't showing MAX content, according to what reports I've seen so far.

Ok Thats what I thought, no go for YTTV.

Has your AT&T Watch login worked on HBO GO in the past?
Yes, I have the HBO GO app on Roku Ultras, using AT&T WatchTV credentials.

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I am not an expert here, but if you have it through AT&T anything, than you already have it. And, it probably is free through AT&T anything. At least an article I read that if you have AT&T cable, phone, DirectTv, internet, phone, etc.

This was the same article that indicated that HBO Max was free to YouTube TV subscribers if they subscribe to HBO.

Like everything else with AT&T; confusion reigns

https://variety.com/2020/digital/new...ee-1234616599/


YouTube TV: HBO Max will be available as an add-on to YouTube TV customers at launch; users must log in separately to an HBO Max app on a supported platform.

This clears up the confusion:


https://www.androidcentral.com/you-c...ugh-youtube-tv


HBO Max must be paid for separately from HBO

I signed up for HBO Max via YouTube TV today and I have the live feeds and was able to sign in to HBO Max app and stream as well.


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I direct messaged them and they have the same canned response. We have no information on adding 5.1 sound at this time. Blah blah blah. I just don't understand how they see this as a big deal. I don't think it would cost them much or anything.

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I just asked via Twitter in their announcement post for HBO Max. They repeated the myth that 5.1 is available for on demand content. When I asked for clarification regarding which content and which devices (expressing my disappointment over no 5.1 for Showtime and Epix on demand content), they didn't respond.
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I just asked via Twitter in their announcement post for HBO Max. They repeated the myth that 5.1 is available for on demand content. When I asked for clarification regarding which content and which devices (expressing my disappointment over no 5.1 for Showtime and Epix on demand content), they didn't respond.
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I can't imagine anybody not wanting at least 5.1 sound unless they're deaf in one ear.

Even if you are deaf in one ear, the ability (if your hardware allows it) to emphasize the center channel, which should contain most of the dialog, could be a very big thing, especially if you sometimes have trouble understanding that dialog.



Perhaps the opposite effect is also preferred by some - e.g., I know people who disagree with the opinions of certain sportscasters, who might prefer to silence them - though I don't know if any of those events are broadcast in 5.1.



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It's 2020 and we are now into lossless sound.

There is no such thing as lossless sound - especially in the digital domain. When you digitize - i.e., go from an infinite number of levels to a finite number of levels, that is a loss. When you go from continuous time to sampled data, that is a loss. (E.g., among other things, if I have thought this through correctly, even if you meet the Nyquist criteria, pitches can be out of tune, or you can broaden the spectral signature of a note - things that many musically inclined people notice a lot, though they may be less important to some in the general public. Again, sampling can theoretically increase or decrease the degree of simultaneity of specific sounds.) If you allow a loud frequency to block coding or reduce coding accuracy of soft frequencies, that is a major loss, especially if you can't hear the loud frequency well due to limitations of your ears or your audio hardware.



There is such a thing as truly lossless data compression, or no data compression, but AFTER some or all of the above losses have already occurred.


There is also such a thing as perceptually lossless sound - but that could vary from person to person.


As difficult as this is to believe, perhaps there is also be such a thing as hype.
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Even if you are deaf in one ear, the ability (if your hardware allows it) to emphasize the center channel, which should contain most of the dialog, could be a very big thing, especially if you sometimes have trouble understanding that dialog.



Perhaps the opposite effect is also preferred by some - e.g., I know people who disagree with the opinions of certain sportscasters, who might prefer to silence them - though I don't know if any of those events are broadcast in 5.1.






There is no such thing as lossless sound - especially in the digital domain. When you digitize - i.e., go from an infinite number of levels to a finite number of levels, that is a loss. When you go from continuous time to sampled data, that is a loss. (E.g., among other things, if I have thought this through correctly, even if you meet the Nyquist criteria, pitches can be out of tune, or you can broaden the spectral signature of a note - things that many musically inclined people notice a lot, though they may be less important to some in the general public. Again, sampling can theoretically increase or decrease the degree of simultaneity of specific sounds.) If you allow a loud frequency to block coding or reduce coding accuracy of soft frequencies, that is a major loss, especially if you can't hear the loud frequency well due to limitations of your ears or your audio hardware.



There is such a thing as truly lossless data compression, or no data compression, but AFTER some or all of the above losses have already occurred.


There is also such a thing as perceptually lossless sound - but that could vary from person to person.


As difficult as this is to believe, perhaps there is also be such a thing as hype.
I'm talking about Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio. Those are described as lossless sound. I don't think it's too much to ask for DD 5.1 sound but that's just my opinion.

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Guys, I can't stream 4K demos anymore on my TV nor 4k bluray player.
Android tv, don't know about player.

Used to work fine, but nowadays I need to select 4K resolution manually and it just stutters like mad.
100mbit speed wifi on my ancient pc upstairs, Netflix 4K HDR works fine 15 mbit connection is what the app shows.....just youtube is F$#$$$ crap.

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Sweet! Where can I find these 4k demos on Youtube TV?
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Sweet! Where can I find these 4k demos on Youtube TV?
Search "the HDR channel". Should come up right away.

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