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blazer26 07-05-2017 08:58 PM

I cut the cord 8 years ago, due to rising Directv cost, and the switch over OTA from Analog to Digital TV. Have lots of channels and subchannels. 4 years ago bought an Insignia 32" Roku Ready LED TV to replace my old tube TV, bought Roku Ready Stick model 3400X (Purple stick). Have not used much on streaming except YouTube. Used lots of YouTube and Twit.TV was using SBC Global DSL now AT&T DSL never has problems. Currently, have ATT Uverse Phone/Internet Modem/Router with VoIP, never have problems streaming. Now it's called AT&T Phone/Internet, they dropped Uverse name. I used more OTA and Streaming! Last year I won a TCL Roku 4K 55" TV and still streaming big screen! I also have Samsung 4K Ultra HD Blu-Ray player! I also have a Tivo Roamio OTA 500GB DVR. I also have Tivo HD series 3. TCL Roku 4K 55" and Roamio OTA in the living room, Insignia 32" Roku Ready and Tivo HD series 3 in the master bedroom.

clarkss12 07-05-2017 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony~M (Post 54073217)
This poll is silly.

Nobody is cutting their cord, they are just adjusting what they use it for.

If you switch from Cable TV to Netflix, you are just changing what you do over the same providers bandwidth that you already have. For instance I have Cox Digital Telephone and 100Mbps internet, but don't have Cable TV with them. I use OTA for network television to save a few dollars.

If enough people cancel their TV service the internet providers, most of which are cable companies, will raise their rates for internet service to compensate for their loss in Cable TV revenue. These companies still have a monopoly on our connection to the internet. Most areas only have one, or two, companies that provide high speed internet in their area. We truly have no choice in how we connect to the internet, you need your cord, or satellite internet in remote locations, to enjoy Netflix or other streaming services.

How many of you have truly cut your cord and live without the internet?

May be possible if you linked your laptop through your mobile phone hot spot if you are a very light internet user. However, you are not going to stream Netflix through a mobile hot spot!

I am afraid you still need your cord...

Later,

Tony

That is so true.

Kressilac 07-05-2017 09:14 PM

Signed up for Hulu Live, HBO Now, Netflix and Amazon Prime. The occasional Vudu movie thrown in for good measure. Not looking back. MLB.TV gives me what I want for Red Sox baseball. I'll watch the Patriots, Celtics and Bruins at a bar or a friends house.

Price for the combined services is about $50 per month cheaper. Did it because my Media Center PC died and I was staring at set-top box fees that would increase my cable bill about $40 per month. Instead went the other way. Will find a few Xbox One S devices to power my non-smart TVs and we're good. When 4x4 or 2x4 HDMI 2.0a switch can be had for under a grand, I'll add one of those to my rack and be done with the change.

audacious nick 07-05-2017 09:19 PM

Never started to begin with, so nothing to cut.

Dendk 07-05-2017 09:22 PM

Cut the cord over a year ago, would not go back to Sattilite as there is no need especially at the price point of streaming services like PlayStation Vue at less then $45 a month. I currently enjoy NBA, MLB, ESPN, NBC SPORTS, FOX Sports with FS1, FS2, Regional affiliates, Big Ten etc, NFL Network and Red zone and 85 channels of entertainment...and no commitment, Almost forgot DVR service works great.

clarkss12 07-05-2017 09:25 PM

I stopped using cable TV several years ago, and started using OTA. In my area, I receive around 35 channels using a roof mounted antenna. Unfortunately, acquiring internet, can be costly, since there are only two providers in my area, I pay almost $70 for 80 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up.

Been using VOIP phone service for around 12 years now, and that uses my internet, but not intensive. Most of our internet media usage is thru Netflix, or especially YouTube. My experience is that younger kids, prefer YouTube, so in a few years, live TV will go the way of the dodo bird.


Since I detest watching commercials, I either record the shows or sports that I wish to watch, or use the pause/play function. I created my own inexpensive whole home DVR solution, 3 or 4 years ago, using my roof top antenna and a couple of HDHomeRun tuners. Using a $40 device, and a subscription to Schedules Direct, I used TVHeadend server as my 14 day DVR which runs on my network.

Recently, I have been using Emby as my media server/streamer for my networked DVR solution. Emby will run on very low powered, very inexpensive hardware and provides a very nice media experience. One advantage, I can watch live or recorded TV from my inexpensive system anywhere in the world. In other words, if I am in another state, or country, I can watch TV from my home using my antenna on my roof. I can use cellular data or anyone's WiFi. My son that lives in another state, can not receive my local sports teams, in his location, so he can watch my live local channels using his Apple products.

So, yes, I am a cord shaver, but the cable companies will just keep raising the internet cost.

gtgray 07-05-2017 09:32 PM

I am under contract with Comcast. Price for 85 mbs internet and the Premier Digital Tier is $125. I watch tons of Rockets and Astros games. I have a cablecard and don't rent any equipment. If I can get what I get now for less than great. But with some long ago amortized HD Homerun gear which gives me TV everywhere in the houseit will be hard to beat.

Tanquen 07-05-2017 09:52 PM

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There's a lot of missing value in this thread without a simple I cut the cord when and I currently pay X and for what speed of internet.

After you factor in the increase in your internet price because you're losing out on the bundle is it really worth the hassle?

rekbones 07-05-2017 10:01 PM

Cut the cord a year ago and don't regret it. Although on the fringe area for OTA I can get the 4 networks most of the time with an HD prime and WMS for DVR. Netflix and Hulu commercial free make up the difference saving me about $80 a month over my frontier service. I am sure as the cable providers loose more to streaming they will just up the ISP price to make up the difference but at least its cheaper as of now.

clarkss12 07-05-2017 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rekbones (Post 54080761)
Cut the cord a year ago and don't regret it. Although on the fringe area for OTA I can get the 4 networks most of the time with an HD prime and WMS for DVR. Netflix and Hulu commercial free make up the difference saving me about $80 a month over my frontier service. I am sure as the cable providers loose more to streaming they will just up the ISP price to make up the difference but at least its cheaper as of now.

How do you receive OTA channels with the Prime?

techguru34 07-05-2017 10:49 PM

I love sports and my Tivo DVR, so unfortunately it's not worth it to me yet. Once streaming offers something equal to what I have now with sports and Tivo, then I will get out the scissors!

Hyrax 07-05-2017 10:50 PM

The problem I find with getting cable is that they bundle too much crap together. I want to watch Turner Classic Movies, so have to get all sorts of stuff I could care less about. I should also mention the fees. $7.00 for rebroadcasting the local networks is crazy. $5.00 for sports that I don't watch is more crazy.

The final straw for me is that Comcast really ruined the quality of the video when they recently switched to bit-starved, 720P, MP4 video. I guess the video looks OK on a small screen, but too many shows look just awful now on larger TVs. I guess Comcast is preparing for a future when all TV is watched on a phone?

Anyway, I am investigating getting all my TV from and antenna and all my movies and old TV shows from Inter-Library Loan. I do have Amazon Prime because of the shipping and other perks. I will probably keep streaming NetFlix, although it is tempting to drop it. I'm not sure of the benefit of cutting the cord and then paying money to Hulu, Vue, Sling, and/or DTV Now to stream the same stuff.

What I am worried about is what others have mentioned. Comcast will keep on increasing the cost of getting the Internet, so cord cutting will save no money.

Garman 07-05-2017 10:55 PM

How many people switched from one chord to another chord should be the title of this thread! LOL As your basically having to increase your speed and bandwidth in order to stream effectively especially if your viewing via 4K... Can some one please provide a cost Analysis of switching from Cable/DTV/Dish over to SlingTV etc.. I mean no matter how you slice it, not sure if anyone really is saving a ton of money switching from one to another...

Worf 07-05-2017 11:44 PM

Two way cable companies are battling cord cutting - raising internet prices (thanks FCC!) and implementing usage caps and overage fees, because they know all those streamers and less-than-legit methods will consume their caps. And those fees are high, forcing you to upgrade your service...

And the caps are tailored such that unless you're loving alone, once you add another adult, kids, you are going to exceed it. (Heck, what was once the domain of the less-legal users of the internet, has been pushed aside by perfectly legal content providers).

Heck, once you have a few people doing it, 25Mbps service starts being close to the minimum required just to have everyone watching.

TMcG 07-06-2017 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chirpie (Post 54068609)
I only have basic cable because it was a cheaper package to have cable + internet than just internet. I don't try to understand the logic, I just play the game.

Re-quoted for truth. I have a home office and my company pays for monthly high speed internet and landline phone (through their cable modem). Adding a basic cable TV package for two rooms with dual tuner HD DVR was only an extra $25 per month I personally had to pay because of the bundle deal. Before their deal came along, I cut the cord (DirecTV satellite) in 2010.

AlanAbby 07-06-2017 12:32 AM

I hate the tag line of these thing's. No one is cutting any cord. Bits come over CATV or IP there is still a cord. Companies lose enough CATV subscribers watch your IP bill begin to rise :-) they will get their money one way or another. I like to archive a lot of TV so streaming just doesn't work for me.

thehun 07-06-2017 01:24 AM

Cut it 6 years ago never looked back. Not a sports fan but if I wanna see some games I'll go to Hooters they have as many flat screen tv's as T&A and the wings they serve. :p

dnoonie 07-06-2017 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony~M (Post 54073217)
May be possible if you linked your laptop through your mobile phone hot spot if you are a very light internet user. However, you are not going to stream Netflix through a mobile hot spot!

I am afraid you still need your cord...

Later,

Tony

Uhhhhummmm. Not sure why not!? When my Centurylink went down I streamed VUDU via mobile hot spot through my OPPO HDX with DD5.1 and it worked great (much better than Clink)!. I have much faster service through my cellular connection than I had through Centurylink. 7.89Mb/s down and 27ms ping with Clink, 91.6Mb/s and 27ms ping with my cellular connection. VUDU had no problems with that.

I believe cellular will be giving hard line service a hard time when 5G wireless comes out in a few years...maybe sooner.

Cheers,

mightyhuhn 07-06-2017 04:13 AM

i haven't watched cable TV in about ten years.

i have cable i-net so cutting the cord is a bad idea.

eljr 07-06-2017 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by blue 72 (Post 54075065)
What in the world does cord-never mean? .

it means someone who has never had cable or satellite TV,

lovswr 07-06-2017 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hyrax (Post 54081289)
The problem I find with getting cable is that they bundle too much crap together. I want to watch Turner Classic Movies, so have to get all sorts of stuff I could care less about. I should also mention the fees. $7.00 for rebroadcasting the local networks is crazy. $5.00 for sports that I don't watch is more crazy.

The final straw for me is that Comcast really ruined the quality of the video when they recently switched to bit-starved, 720P, MP4 video. I guess the video looks OK on a small screen, but too many shows look just awful now on larger TVs. I guess Comcast is preparing for a future when all TV is watched on a phone?

Anyway, I am investigating getting all my TV from and antenna and all my movies and old TV shows from Inter-Library Loan. I do have Amazon Prime because of the shipping and other perks. I will probably keep streaming NetFlix, although it is tempting to drop it. I'm not sure of the benefit of cutting the cord and then paying money to Hulu, Vue, Sling, and/or DTV Now to stream the same stuff.

What I am worried about is what others have mentioned. Comcast will keep on increasing the cost of getting the Internet, so cord cutting will save no money.

Three pages in & yours is the first post to mention quality. To me, streaming, especially of the 4K variety, can give great quality but I like the 100% (of quality at level X) of linear video. Also I like browsing. Who here that is 50 or over remember the days of the 25 foot-tethered cable box & just going up & down the channels one at a time? :p I'm a huge football fan, both college & pro, & my wife even more so. We have Brighthouse/Spectrum through our HOA & also for internet. We also maintain 1 D* DVR subscription which gets expanded to 4 tuners during football season. I even told her that since the AT&T mothership consumed D* that there would be less of a Sunday Ticket discount & she responded that even at full price, we would still subscribe this year. Even though we are empty nesters, we have a total of 7 HDTV's & my understanding that most of the streaming options do not allow logging into more than 2 devices at the same time.

I have 2 Apple TV's, apps on my Blu-ray players & even a Roku stick thingy in one of the USB ports of my OPPO & while all these devices can deliver the same content as D* & Spectrum, I just don't like that interface. IT feels like I'm "locked in" when I use the IP devices. I know that is silly but it is what it is. Eventually we will be cutting the cord, but hopefully the quality will be more consistent. What I'm really afraid of is 150 basic internet bill with huge caps. :eek:

Tony~M 07-06-2017 05:49 AM

Bandwidth Limits and Cost
 
Hello Dnoonie,

Hope you are well.

Ah...I was not very clear there. I meant it was not financially feasible.

Mobile data plans are very expensive with data limits that are much lower than the limits on a cord based ISP, therefore you would reach your caps very quickly streaming HD or 4k with HDR over your mobile hot spot.

I have a 25gb 4g LTE data limit with T-Mobile, however, my Hot Spot limit is only 10gb per month. Cox cable limits land lines to 250gb per month, although they don't appear to enforce the stated limit I go over consistently per month.

4k with HDR takes up 11.25 Gigabytes per hour, so my Hot Spot can't even stream 1 hour of that content without running out of data on my plan. Luckily T-Mobile just throttles your data rate after exceeding your limit, instead of charging more for overages.

Wow that Centurylink connection is too slow for 4k with HDR, minimum is a 25 megabit per second connection for 4k HDR. So, yes your speed is much faster with your mobile device. In my area Gigabit internet is available from Fios and Cox Cable, however I find that 100 megabit per second is fast enough for us. The cost of Gigabit is expensive.

Hope I cleared up my thoughts on that.

Later,

Tony

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Originally Posted by dnoonie (Post 54082737)
Uhhhhummmm. Not sure why not!? When my Centurylink went down I streamed VUDU via mobile hot spot through my OPPO HDX with DD5.1 and it worked great (much better than Clink)!. I have much faster service through my cellular connection than I had through Centurylink. 7.89Mb/s down and 27ms ping with Clink, 91.6Mb/s and 27ms ping with my cellular connection. VUDU had no problems with that.

I believe cellular will be giving hard line service a hard time when 5G wireless comes out in a few years...maybe sooner.

Cheers,


Tony~M 07-06-2017 06:07 AM

Antenna
 
Hello Lovswr,

Hope you are well.

Lol, cable box? Anyone over a certain age remembers Black and White TV with a 25 foot pole mounted 10 foot outdoor antenna with a rotor. When the rotor failed my Father had to turn the pole with a pipe wrench to tune in the 3 channels we could receive, it was very fast flipping through channels back then. Of course all 3 channels were in different directions....so flip channel, go outside with pipe wrench, yell in window to see if it was tuned in, go back inside, Mmm...nothing good on that channel, forgot to buy TV guide magazine, crap...., turn channel, back outside, turn pole, yell through window...repeat....Remember to buy TV Guide next time.....LOL.

I agree quality is a huge factor. Friends come over to watch football and they are like, "Why is your picture better than mine?" Watching OTA that is why, that compressed crap that they call HD over cable or D* TV is crappy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lovswr (Post 54083713)
Who here that is 50 or over remember the days of the 25 foot-tethered cable box & just going up & down the channels one at a time? :p

Later,

Tony

thunderbird1100 07-06-2017 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cybertec (Post 54071337)
How about removing your face from the TV, there is many things you can do instead of becoming a vegetable glued to the tube.

Guy talks about about "Getting a life", watching sports being stupid and staying away from the tv on an A/V message board. You might want to check where you are posting and be aware SOME people might enjoy things you don't. Everyone has their own way of finding entertainment, if you enjoy taking long walks in the park that's great, some would still rather watch the super bowl. If you are telling people to stay away from their A/V equipment on a A/V message board, might be time to find a new message board then. Different strokes for different folks.

cybertec 07-06-2017 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by thunderbird1100 (Post 54084625)
Quote:

Originally Posted by cybertec (Post 54071337)
How about removing your face from the TV, there is many things you can do instead of becoming a vegetable glued to the tube.

Guy talks about about "Getting a life", watching sports being stupid and staying away from the tv on an A/V message board. You might want to check where you are posting and be aware SOME people might enjoy things you don't. Everyone has their own way of finding entertainment, if you enjoy taking long walks in the park that's great, some would still rather watch the super bowl. If you are telling people to stay away from their A/V equipment on a A/V message board, might be time to find a new message board then. Different strokes for different folks.

The SB is on FREE TV.

thunderbird1100 07-06-2017 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cybertec (Post 54084681)
The SB is on FREE TV.

...and way to completely miss the point.

Squirrel! 07-06-2017 06:56 AM

Cut the cord back in 2006 just before football season began. Never looked back, couldn't be happier without the added expense. No need for DVR, with streaming, basically watch whatever, whenever. :cool:

cybertec 07-06-2017 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderbird1100 (Post 54084801)
Quote:

Originally Posted by cybertec (Post 54084681)
The SB is on FREE TV.

...and way to completely miss the point.

And your point is. The point is that you are paying for channels that you never watch when you buy a cable TV package, most people watch only a handful of channels and pay for hundreds that show nothing but GARBAGE, this is A HUGE reason people are cutting the cord, especially with the broadband choices that are available today.

itallushrt 07-06-2017 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by afrogt (Post 54067625)
What is the significance of July 7...?

A lot! On that day in 1975 a stubborn, lousy SOB entered this world.....me.

On a side note I cut the cord about 7 years ago and don't really miss anything.

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

thunderbird1100 07-06-2017 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cybertec (Post 54084905)
And your point is. The point is that you are paying for channels that you never watch when you buy a cable TV package, most people watch only a handful of channels and pay for hundreds that show nothing but GARBAGE, this is A HUGE reason people are cutting the cord, especially with the broadband choices that are available today.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I priced out cutting the cord and save practically no money, so considering it's also more of a hassle to deal with, I did not do it.

I have a lot of channels because I watch a large variety of channels, sports included. Streaming just isn't quite there to match up with that yet especially from a value standpoint. Sure, if I only watched 4 channels then some $20 a month sling package might be great. It doesn't work for me, and clearly doesn't work for a lot of people in this thread still. Cable/Satellite still have a lot of use for people like us, and I'll more than happily pay for the better user experience and selection for now.

Again, just because something works for you, doesn't mean it works for everyone.


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