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imagic 08-08-2017 05:53 PM

Disney Departing Netflix in 2019 and Will Launch ESPN, Movie Streaming Services
 
Today, Disney has announced that it plans to launch its own movie streaming service sometime in the year 2019. And when this happens, the studio's popular movies will no longer be available to stream on Netflix. Click here to read more.

pgwalsh 08-08-2017 06:14 PM

That'll be interesting. If more companies follow suite I am not sure if I'm going to be someone that'll subscribe to 10 different streaming services for content.

As for ESPN, it's gotten too political and I don't need politics in my sports viewing.

Kelson 08-08-2017 06:22 PM

The money-grab fragmentation of streaming into separate services with their own fees is going to kill the expansion of streaming in the long run. The golden goose is being strangled.

JohnAV 08-08-2017 06:29 PM

Reference Bleedingcool.com article
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The most interesting part of this announcement is how does it affect the Marvel properties. As you can see from the above screen shots, the initial CNBC report referred to Marvel as part of the movies being pulled, but the report was changed shortly after. Does Disney plan to include the Marvel Studios films on their streaming service? And what does that mean for the deal Marvel and Netflix have for Daredevil, Jessica Jones and the rest? The Netflix / Marvel shows are some of the most popular that the streaming service have to offer. Will Disney leave them where they are or play out the contract then move future series over to their own streaming service. Was the a correction on CNBC’s part or a request from Disney? Could the Marvel mention have been removed to give Netflix some time to prepare for the news and protect their stock value? I mean, Disney wouldn’t want to upset things while there is still a contract between Marvel and Netflix… right?
This is not the only site commenting that Marvel and Lucasfilm could remain exclusive to Netflix and hasn't decided what to do with those films yet.

wxman 08-08-2017 06:29 PM

People wanted a la carte, and now they are getting it. And they don't like it.

pgwalsh 08-08-2017 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wxman (Post 54604192)
People wanted a la carte, and now they are getting it. And they don't like it.

Netflix is a la carte, you watch only the content you want to watch and you're not forced to buy things you don't want.

pgwalsh 08-08-2017 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelson (Post 54604156)
The money-grab fragmentation of streaming into separate services with their own fees is going to kill the expansion of streaming in the long run. The golden goose is being strangled.

Netflix and Amazon have setup massive infrastructure for streaming and it will be interesting to see how Disney copes with that.

imagic 08-08-2017 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAV (Post 54604186)
Reference Bleedingcool.com article
This is not the only site commenting that Marvel and Lucasfilm could remain exclusive to Netflix and hasn't decided what to do with those films yet.

I guess there's not absolute clarity on that topic, because the actual press release does not discuss the fate of those properties, and I was using other news sources. I'm going to edit my article, see how this develops. I'm guessing some reporters have better contacts at Disney than I do (I have precisely none) so I'll leave it to them to clarify.

wxman 08-08-2017 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pgwalsh (Post 54604230)
Netflix is a la carte, you watch only the content you want to watch and you're not forced to buy things you don't want.

If you want to watch Disney movies and shows you now have the option to pay for just those. You now have the option to pay just for ESPN. That's a la carte. With netflix, Im paying for shows I don't want to watch. Who do you think is paying for all those shows and movies on Netflix?

JohnAV 08-08-2017 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wxman (Post 54604192)
People wanted a la carte, and now they are getting it. And they don't like it.

You do make a strong marketing point with people really don't want to buy into multiple streaming providers just to entertain their families and there is no equivalent of a multi provider search engine for same content. :cool:

BNestico 08-08-2017 06:48 PM

Did anyone else note the lack of NFL in the sports package?

wxman 08-08-2017 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BNestico (Post 54604290)
Did anyone else note the lack of NFL in the sports package?

It's the same with the DirecTV streaming package. You can't get the NFL Sunday ticket unless you actually pay for their satellite service.

imagic 08-08-2017 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BNestico (Post 54604290)
Did anyone else note the lack of NFL in the sports package?

It was like it was printed in bold, such was the absence I felt. :eek:

pgwalsh 08-08-2017 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wxman (Post 54604266)
If you want to watch Disney movies and shows you now have the option to pay for just those. You now have the option to pay just for ESPN. That's a la carte. With netflix, Im paying for shows I don't want to watch. Who do you think is paying for all those shows and movies on Netflix?

Well if they do it per episode, season or movie I agree. For me, Netflix is still a la carte as far as viewing. They have tiers, but it's completely different than the model cable companies use. Plus there's no contract.

Lazarus Dark 08-08-2017 07:06 PM

Saw this coming miles away. Just had a conversation the other day and said any time now, if they can, Disney will pull out of the Netflix deal and make their own service. I don't know why they ever made the deal in the first place.

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Originally Posted by JohnAV (Post 54604282)
You do make a strong marketing point with people really don't want to buy into multiple streaming providers just to entertain their families and there is no equivalent of a multi provider search engine for same content. :cool:

I've thought for years, what we need is some kind of standard platform. We need to be able to have one account but subscribe to multiple content providers and make the monthly payment as a single bill. The big problem, from the provider side, is that content providers want to maintain control of their content and this would be the way how, you would still stream Provider A's content from Provider A's servers, but you have one account through some kind of third party billing system where you are subscribed to multiple Providers, each with its own content and features and server quality. But the billing service has some kind of front end where its hooked into all the Providers and presents it to you in a unified UI with universal search for all you are subscribed to.

denslayer 08-08-2017 07:08 PM

Terrible move IMO . Takes forever for companies to roll out apps etc. Doesn't sony own disney? I highly doubt TV manufactures will put a sony app on their Tv's. Netflix and Disney could have worked a deal, maybe even do a add on to the netflix subscription . Anything over 5.99 I won't even consider

dnoonie 08-08-2017 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pgwalsh (Post 54604242)
Netflix and Amazon have setup massive infrastructure for streaming and it will be interesting to see how Disney copes with that.

It's my understanding, https://arstechnica.com/information-...-amazon-cloud/, that Netflix uses Amazon Services for at least part (if not all by now) of it's streaming. Disney could too.

Cheers,

wxman 08-08-2017 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pgwalsh (Post 54604360)
Well if they do it per episode, season or movie I agree. For me, Netflix is still a la carte as far as viewing. They have tiers, but it's completely different than the model cable companies use. Plus there's no contract.

Netflix isn't any different than PS Vue, DirecTV Now, Sling tv, etc. You can cancel anytime. They are all a la carte by your definition.

derreckla 08-08-2017 07:28 PM

So your going to take your lame bloated super hero movies and watered down Star wars Franchise and go away....SEE YA!!!!!

pgwalsh 08-08-2017 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wxman (Post 54604436)
Netflix isn't any different than PS Vue, DirecTV Now, Sling tv, etc. You can cancel anytime. They are all a la carte by your definition.

I'm not referring to any of those services, I'm referring to traditional cable and satellite model of bundles and packages. Please stop moving the goal posts to make your point, I get what you're saying, but what I commented on is from my point of view of traditional services versus what Netflix offers. From my understanding people wanted a la carte from Comcast, Dish and Direct TV that would not require bundles in order to get the channels they wanted to watch and not channels they didn't want to watch. Perhaps I'm wrong but that's the point of view I'm coming from and you've turned it into something completely different.

TuteTibiImperes 08-08-2017 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wxman (Post 54604192)
People wanted a la carte, and now they are getting it. And they don't like it.

Yeah, this is more fragmentation than a la carte, but I could see an argument calling it that. There are other potential problems for a la carte when it comes to traditional cable/sat services - it would kill a lot of niche and genre entertainment. Could channels like SyFy, AMC, BBC America, etc, survive or keep producing the kind of content they do only on direct opt-in subscriptions?

wxman 08-08-2017 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TuteTibiImperes (Post 54604770)
Yeah, this is more fragmentation than a la carte, but I could see an argument calling it that. There are other potential problems for a la carte when it comes to traditional cable/sat services - it would kill a lot of niche and genre entertainment. Could channels like SyFy, AMC, BBC America, etc, survive or keep producing the kind of content they do only on direct opt-in subscriptions?

That is a valid point. I don't know if they could survive on their own, but if they are not profitable, should they? I don't even know who owns those networks anymore. Most are just part of some major broadcasting conglomerate. Could they not roll the profitable shows on each one of those channels into one of their big networks?

adrummingdude 08-08-2017 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BNestico (Post 54604290)
Did anyone else note the lack of NFL in the sports package?

No NBA either. So basically it's a "premium" sports streaming service, with two of the three major US sports not included. Strange. :cool:

adrummingdude 08-08-2017 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TuteTibiImperes (Post 54604770)
Yeah, this is more fragmentation than a la carte, but I could see an argument calling it that. There are other potential problems for a la carte when it comes to traditional cable/sat services - it would kill a lot of niche and genre entertainment. Could channels like SyFy, AMC, BBC America, etc, survive or keep producing the kind of content they do only on direct opt-in subscriptions?

Sure, why not? It works for current streaming services with their original content, which is quite good BTW.

Besides, it's channels like the ones you listed that draw people to cable anyway. That's why they keep upping the "tier" you need to buy to get them included. Recently I lost spike tv and the science channel, both of which I enjoy, to one of these reshufflings. The only reason they do stuff like that is because those channels are popular so they know they can squeeze you a bit to get them back.

Basic cable anymore means the Jewish Korean network and Mr. Ed reruns.

FWIW, I don't know if BBC America will ever recover from the Top Gear debacle. They screwed the pooch on that one, big time.

Kelson 08-08-2017 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAV (Post 54604282)
. . . and there is no equivalent of a multi provider search engine for same content. :cool:

Something like this?
https://www.justwatch.com/us/provide...-instant-video

Larry Rosenberg 08-08-2017 11:07 PM

This is the main reason I am *not* cutting the cord
 
I already subscribe to Netflix and Amazon Prime, as well as Spectrum cable TV. Every time I investigate cutting my ties with cable, the cost of all the stuff I want to watch already easily equals the cost of cable. Having to pay extra for Disney will just add to the pile. How much is enough before consumers go back to putting antennas on their TV sets??

Sledgehamma 08-09-2017 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnAV (Post 54604282)
You do make a strong marketing point with people really don't want to buy into multiple streaming providers just to entertain their families and there is no equivalent of a multi provider search engine for same content. :cool:

Yeah, I hate the fragmentation. To my knowledge, Apple provides such a search on their Apple TVs. Therefore, you search for a show and it displays which provider offers it. You can also launch it straight from there. Provided the app supports that, of course.

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Originally Posted by pgwalsh (Post 54604360)
Well if they do it per episode, season or movie I agree. For me, Netflix is still a la carte as far as viewing. They have tiers, but it's completely different than the model cable companies use. Plus there's no contract.

Although it’s kinda of topic I wouldn’t call Netflix ala carte, either. You pay to have access to all of their content or none. You can’t just add series/movies or channels.

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Originally Posted by denslayer (Post 54604404)
Terrible move IMO . Takes forever for companies to roll out apps etc. Doesn't sony own disney? I highly doubt TV manufactures will put a sony app on their Tv's. Netflix and Disney could have worked a deal, maybe even do a add on to the netflix subscription . Anything over 5.99 I won't even consider

Sony doesn't own Disney. Disney is a public company, which is not owned by another company (at least no majority ownership).
In general, the subscription services such as Netflix provide the apps for the TV manufacturers. Therefore, Disney would have high incentives to publish those apps.
Maybe they tried to work out a deal. Often it’s very hard to come to an arrangement. We don’t know if they tried or not.

telon175 08-09-2017 07:45 AM

Amazon prime is just something i would probably have with or without the video streaming. PS VUE has all that I need that Comcast Dish or DirecTV offers for a much lower cost. Base content is like 25 dollars. I was paying 130 for the same content with dish. This shows me that there was a huge profit made from companies like Comcast Dish and Directv. If they want to quit losing their subscribers. offer what PS vue and other streaming services have at a cost that is close to what they have.
I used a Tivo and PS vue for few years until i upgraded my Internet service and got there video service for a low cost for two years at the end of the two years i will probably go back to TIVO and PS VUE unless there is a better service at that time like maybe Youtube.

Supermans 08-09-2017 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Larry Rosenberg (Post 54605216)
I already subscribe to Netflix and Amazon Prime, as well as Spectrum cable TV. Every time I investigate cutting my ties with cable, the cost of all the stuff I want to watch already easily equals the cost of cable. Having to pay extra for Disney will just add to the pile. How much is enough before consumers go back to putting antennas on their TV sets??


All the fragmentation is going to hurt the elderly the most. They just need to be able to turn on the tv and change channels. If you are under 40, chord cutting is easy and understandable. However I do agree with your assessment that it is getting to be just as expensive subscribing to each individual program tier you want from all these different streaming companies.

Disney knows it can have its own streaming channel and by excluding every other streaming service from showing its content can quickly force people to add or switch and many will. This is a purely strategic and well thought out move by Disney. I wouldn't be surprised if they become bigger than Netflix from one month to the next after release as you will have many simply leaving Netflix for cost reasons. How much did Netflix lose after raising their price a couple dollars? For me, I have Comcast, Hulu, Netflix and am considering cutting Comcast Cable (keeping just their internet and upgrading to unlimited which will ad more cost) as soon as my contract is up and getting Sling instead. Now being an AVS enthusiast, I have to consider 4K Ultra streaming in the mix etc.

Having now an OLED65G6P with WebOs is making things easier switching between services so at least I can be thankful for that. However it is still confusing to my wife how to use it and I'm sure I am not alone. She definitely prefers the old channel flipping method for finding programs. I just honestly don't think any of these companies care for the elderly demographic anymore so it is a non-issue for them which is very sad. I am hopeful things will get better, but with the loss of 3D in most 2017 TV's, and them being released only overseas for the newer titles, it is going to be a long wait for me until Avatar 2 and 8K HDTV's usher in the Passive 4K 3D era or perhaps better yet, glasses free 4K 3D coming from an 8K set. :) That will be the only thing to get me to upgrade at this point from my current LG OLED set.

Adamg (Ret-Navy) 08-09-2017 08:07 AM

This announcement from Disney, could very well be a Negotiation tactic. We are leaving and going it alone, unless you wish to sweeten the pot to keep us!

Disney already has a streaming service right? How is that working for them now? This sounds like positioning to me. Contract renegotiations. Just a guess. Will they also be pulling their programming from Cable providers ? Lots of questions

Nothing lasts forever and the Streaming Market is reacting to the inflow of large Customer markets (Asia). People who "Cut the Cord" and then just plug in a different cord :rolleyes:


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