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Apparently, Apple TV will get Amazon Prime Video later this year...
Hated the way Leo Laporte shot you down when you treaded on his turf. Hold on Scott it's just a rumor, yeah a rumor reported by every tech site out there.
Plus I hear KFI wants someone else to guest on air when Leo goes on vacation instead of you, that sucks! we look forward to all day home theater talk. gave us a break from all the facebag/cell phone questions.
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The new Apple TV will support both HDR10 and Dolby Vision, in 4k, of course.

https://twitter.com/stroughtonsmith/...12986726871040

Really looking forward to it. I use NVIDIA Shield now as my main device, but I think Apple has by far the best UI and the best designed apps of them all (I also have Roku and Amazon).

Hope they improve on the gaming capabilities, too.
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tvOS 11 firmware leak suggests ‘Apple TV 4K’ name, potential Siri Remote update, HDR details, more - 9to5mac

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As first mentioned on Twitter by developer Steve Troughton-Smith, the marketing name for the fifth-gen Apple TV — which is referred to as AppleTV6,2 — appears to be ‘Apple TV 4K’ to denote ultra high definition support. This marks the first time the Apple TV has received a modifier in the name. The Apple TV 4K name also suggests the current 1080p box will stick around presumably to maintain a lower price point.

Troughton-Smith also believes the Apple TV 4K will feature a “three-core A10 Fusion CPU and 3GB RAM” which will be a big jump from the A8 chip and 2GB RAM.

Apple TV 4K is also widely expected to support HDR, or high dynamic range color, and the tvOS 11 firmware makes reference to this feature.

Code intended for the Settings app references ‘HDR Modes’ and explains that ‘Apple TV will choose the widest color range available. If you don’t see an option you expect, make sure Apple TV is plugged into a supported HDMI 2.0 port.’

The same code also references Dolby Vision with this description: ‘Get the best picture with better, brighter colors, We’ll make sure your HDMI cable is compatible before we turn on Dolby Vision.’

And although the website isn’t live yet, the code also refers to support.apple.com/appletv/HDR for more information on high dynamic range and Apple TV.

AirPlay 2 features for whole home audio and what is likely HomeKit support are also referenced throughout the tvOS 11 firmware, although we haven’t seen these promised features available on the current Apple TV since being unveiled at WWDC in June.

Finally, there’s evidence in the tvOS 11 firmware that we’ll see an updated Siri Remote bundled with the Apple TV 4K. The model version jumps from B239 to B429 and has its own firmware separate from the current Siri Remote, although it’s unclear if this means a desired design refresh or just an internal change.
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Apple TV 4K is official

  • Apple TV A10X Fusion chip is 2x as fast. UI gets 4K upgrade across the board
  • Supports HDR10 with Dolby Vision
  • Launches Sept 22, pre-order starting 15th.






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Groovy. Confirmed HD10 and Dolby Vision.

Auto upgraded previous purchases of HD films to 4K. 4K and HD films have same pricing. I'm liking that.
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This is the first streaming movie device that really has my attention. Apple will get proper studio support IMO, and if the PQ is right, good be a nice game changer for streaming UHD new releases at home. Just in time for me getting fiber internet too!

Once they add Netflix and Amazon UHD, Ill prob purchase. Other nice thing is when outputting 4k BT2020 films in HDR, it should be 24hz and not forced to 60hz.

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The lack of Atmos support explcitly bums me out.
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Groovy. Confirmed HD10 and Dolby Vision.

Auto upgraded previous purchases of HD films to 4K. 4K and HD films have same pricing. I'm liking that.
Would this upgrade include all movies you currently have on your iTunes account, even if you got them by a code included with a Blu-ray? If so, this is a game changer and makes you wonder why Ultraviolet wouldn't do the same.

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Would this upgrade include all movies you currently have on your iTunes account, even if you got them by a code included with a Blu-ray? If so, this is a game changer and makes you wonder why Ultraviolet wouldn't do the same.
I saw that to and I have to say, and i'm NOT an apple fan... apple I applaud you, that's some customer service right there.

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The lack of Atmos support explcitly bums me out.
I missed this, where did they say it wont support atmos?

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I missed this, where did they say it wont support atmos?
They said nothing at all. That's what I mean by explicitly. I figure if they are going to talk HDR they would talk spatial audio support. Saying nothing doesn't necessarily mean no, but strongly suggests it.
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No mention of HLG. One nice selling point is HDR movies will cost the same as HD movies. So unless Apple jacks up the price on HD movies, You should be able to rent a UHD movie for $5.99 and buy it for $19.99. Much cheaper than Vudu or Amazon. I assume they will stream everything at the dreaded 60 fps.

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I am not viewing the livestream, but not finding any mention if there is a difference between content previously purchased on iTunes vs content that is available on AppleTV from other sources (Blu-ray codes, Disney Movies Anywhere, etc).

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No mention of HLG. One nice selling point is HDR movies will cost the same as HD movies. So unless Apple jacks up the price on HD movies, You should be able to rent a UHD movie for $5.99 and buy it for $19.99. Much cheaper than Vudu or Amazon. I assume they will stream everything at the dreaded 60 fps.
I don't think so. Streaming all that 4K HDR stuff at 60hz when it isn't is just asking for handshake issues. This might the time they budge and output 4k 2020 24hz.

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They said nothing at all. That's what I mean by explicitly. I figure if they are going to talk HDR they would talk spatial audio support. Saying nothing doesn't necessarily mean no, but strongly suggests it.
At best you would have DD+ with Atmos info from a streaming media receiver. Getting the technical audio specs should be soon.

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They said nothing at all. That's what I mean by explicitly. I figure if they are going to talk HDR they would talk spatial audio support. Saying nothing doesn't necessarily mean no, but strongly suggests it.
I guess Im more optimistic. If the unit supports DD+ and I cant image it doesn't, than it supports the streaming version of atmos. Now, will it support lossless passthrough from my DLNA server for the TrueHD version of atmos? I hope but I wont be surprised if it doesn't.

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I don't think so. Streaming all that 4K HDR stuff at 60hz when it isn't is just asking for handshake issues. This might the time they budge and output 4k 2020 24hz.
That would be good if they do. I guess I will find out soon enough after purchase. Hopefully Apple servers will be able to push out UHD at a fairly high bitrate to avoid compression issues.

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I guess Im more optimistic. If the unit supports DD+ and I cant image it doesn't, than it supports the streaming version of atmos. Now, will it support lossless passthrough from my DLNA server for the TrueHD version of atmos? I hope but I wont be surprised if it doesn't.
I imagine that it will support DD+ as the current gen already does. The trick isn't so much the hardware as it is the store. I don't expect lossless support and frankly would be OK with just DD+Atmos. I'm just concerned that there is no intent to support Atmos in the iTunes Store and that lack of content will be a deal killer for me. I'll end up sticking with my Plex server and Nvidia Shield.
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That would be good if they do. I guess I will find out soon enough after purchase. Hopefully Apple servers will be able to push out UHD at a fairly high bitrate to avoid compression issues.
Hopefully.

I have downloaded some Directv 4K (non HDR, but it is coming) PPV like Alien Covenent, just to check it out, and it was 4k/24 and looked really good.

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Tech specs up

Video Formats
H.264/HEVC SDR video up to 2160p, 60 fps, Main/Main 10 profile
HEVC Dolby Vision (Profile 5)/HDR10 (Main 10 profile) up to 2160p
H.264 Baseline Profile level 3.0 or lower with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps per channel, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
MPEG-4 video up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 fps, Simple profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

Audio Formats
HE-AAC (V1), AAC (up to 320 Kbps), protected AAC (from iTunes Store), MP3 (up to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Apple Lossless, FLAC, AIFF, and WAV; AC-3 (Dolby Digital 5.1) and E-AC-3 (Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 surround sound)

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Can't support DV over HDMI 2.0a so that has to be a error.

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Tech specs up

Video Formats
H.264/HEVC SDR video up to 2160p, 60 fps, Main/Main 10 profile
HEVC Dolby Vision (Profile 5)/HDR10 (Main 10 profile) up to 2160p
H.264 Baseline Profile level 3.0 or lower with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps per channel, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
MPEG-4 video up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 fps, Simple profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

Audio Formats
HE-AAC (V1), AAC (up to 320 Kbps), protected AAC (from iTunes Store), MP3 (up to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Apple Lossless, FLAC, AIFF, and WAV; AC-3 (Dolby Digital 5.1) and E-AC-3 (Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 surround sound)
As I suspected... no Atmos...
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As I suspected... no Atmos...
DD+ with Atmos info is the best you could acquire from a digital streaming receiver. This is not physical media equivalency.

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Tech specs up

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H.264/HEVC SDR video up to 2160p, 60 fps, Main/Main 10 profile
HEVC Dolby Vision (Profile 5)/HDR10 (Main 10 profile) up to 2160p
H.264 Baseline Profile level 3.0 or lower with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps per channel, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
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Audio Formats
HE-AAC (V1), AAC (up to 320 Kbps), protected AAC (from iTunes Store), MP3 (up to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Apple Lossless, FLAC, AIFF, and WAV; AC-3 (Dolby Digital 5.1) and E-AC-3 (Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 surround sound)

HDMI 2.0a
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Can't support DV over HDMI 2.0a so that has to be a error.
DV is compatible with HDMI 2.0a from every source I've read.
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The lack of support for lossless audio pass through is the deal breaker.
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DD+ with Atmos info is the best you could acquire from a digital streaming receiver. This is not physical media equivalency.
I would be A-OK with that, but the fact that they don't list it tells me not to expect it in the iTunes Store either. I'll pick one up if for no other reason than to access the thousands of movies and TV shows I own in iTunes and Apple Music, but I guess I will be sticking with 4K BD and my Shield/Plex server for everything else. It's a bummer as I was hoping to pare down my devices, not add more...
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If you want to talk about being behind lets kvetch about Amazon Prime video not being on TV yet...
FWIW.

Amazon stopped selling the Apple TV on their site when they came out with the Fire devices and Apple responded by not allowing Amazon Prime on the Apple TV. Had absolutely nothing to do with any tech limitation of the hardware or the software. It was just a power play by the 2 companies to try and bend each other into submission. So they have made up now and Apple TV's will begin selling on Amazon again and not coincidentally the Amazon Prime app will appear on the Apple TV at about the same time.
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DV is compatible with HDMI 2.0a from every source I've read.
It gets confusing as to dynamic metadata passing requirements.

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The lack of support for lossless audio pass through is the deal breaker.
Is this in the context of Spotify, Tidal and like? Or from 4K VOD?

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I wonder if the ATV 5 will allow one to download a rented or purchased movie right to the device since you can buy either a 64 or 128 GB model? Would be nice if it did. That way you could eliminate some of the streaming compression artifacts. After you watch the rented movie, it gets deleted from the player, and you could also delete the purchased one, and DL again when needed.

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Don't see anything here to bring in non Apple customers
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