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Well I'm bummed. My LG C7 has lip sync issues using HDMI ARC, so I was hoping the new appletv would give me 4k/24p and atmos but it sounds like that might not be the case. Are there any other devices in the pipeline from Roku or Amazon that will?

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Does the new ATV4K still process the audio and output only PCM (i.e. no bitstream audio out)? And is it confirmed, as feared, that all video is output at 60fps?
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Well I'm bummed. My LG C7 has lip sync issues using HDMI ARC, so I was hoping the new appletv would give me 4k/24p and atmos but it sounds like that might not be the case. Are there any other devices in the pipeline from Roku or Amazon that will?
There have been leaks of two new Amazon Fire TV devices on the way this year but I haven't seen anything regarding the features.
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How fast an internet connection would you have to have to play 4K streaming without stuttering?
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I wonder if Apple will do the same thing Vudu is doing by offering DV HDR on movies that are currently only HDR10 on disc? Or will Apple only offer DV on movies that currently offered that way on disc, which would only be 5 or 6 movies. There are a lot of DV HDR movies on Vudu that are not on disc.
Apple will offer whatever the studios provide to Apple, which I would think would be the identical files provided to any other digital streaming provider? Well I guess they have to convert it to Apple format, but is there much to that, or is it like saving a Word document as a PDF?

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How fast an internet connection would you have to have to play 4K streaming without stuttering?
I think with Netflix it's 15 Mbps, while Vudu recommends 25 Mbps. And that's a steady speed. So if you are just on the borderline, you may have issues at times. You won't see stuttering, buy you may see a drop in resolution.

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Has anyone created an official thread for this new, 5th gen ATV yet? I searched but couldn't find one.


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Has anyone created an official thread for this new, 5th gen ATV yet? I searched but couldn't find one.


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If it like the previous version the dedicated thread died and everyone used the ATV thread.
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I hope they’ll fix the two major issues with the previous models :

1) No 24p support, or auto-refresh rate.
2) Audio output always resampled to 48Hz, which sounds awful on music.
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I hope they’ll fix the two major issues with the previous models :

1) no 24p support, or auto-refresh rate.

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But how would u handle local streaming DLNA part non existent in Apple tv.
Btw i did not see High def audio format compatibility, eg Dolby Atmos?


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I don't know what you mean by High def audio exactly, since Dolby Atmos is compressed (not within the usual definition of HD Audio, although HD Audio is a marketing gimmick and has no practical implications for us humans).

I wish Apple TV 5 would support object-based audio, but I don't see it in the specs.
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I'd still take 1080p Bluray over 4k streaming
Not me. I've seen plenty of 4K streaming on my Z9D that easily was better than the best 1080p BD I've seen, in a significant and impressive way.
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How many studios are on board with the Apple pricing? Will there be some new releases not available on iTunes because they did not agree to the lower pricing?
First time in digital era apple is contributing to price decrease. $9.99 for 4K movie is awesome when Amazon and Sony are overcharging $15 to $30 for selected 4K titles. I just ordered mine from BB.

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First time in digital era apple is contributing to price decrease. $9.99 for 4K movie is awesome when Amazon and Sony are overcharging $15 to $30 for selected 4K titles. I just ordered mine from BB.
You are right. Getting mine next Friday, and just bought $200 worth of iTunes credit for $170 via ebay.

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Next-Gen Apple TV to Support 4K and HDR

People with LG 2016 OLEDs read this, our sets don't support Dolby Vision with 60hz.

The Apple TV can be set manually to 50hz (Europe) or 60hz, but doesn't play Netflix content in native 24p.

Dolby Vision is possible with the resolution set on 1080p 50hz (Europe) or 4K 30hz (60hz or 50hz with Dolby Vision is not supported on the 2016 OLEDs).

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People with LG 2016 OLEDs read this, our sets don't support Dolby Vision with 60hz.

The Apple TV can be set manually to 50hz (Europe) or 60hz, but doesn't play Netflix content in native 24p.

Dolby Vision is possible with the resolution set on 1080p 50hz (Europe) or 4K 30hz (60hz or 50hz with Dolby Vision is not supported on the 2016 OLEDs).

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208074
That sucks If DV wont work on our 2016 sets. Was About to order an Apple TV but now I’ll wait and see. Damn

Edit: read at the bortom of the link:
You can set 30 or 25hz in order to make DV work

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People with LG 2016 OLEDs read this, our sets don't support Dolby Vision with 60hz.

The Apple TV can be set manually to 50hz (Europe) or 60hz, but doesn't play Netflix content in native 24p.

Dolby Vision is possible with the resolution set on 1080p 50hz (Europe) or 4K 30hz (60hz or 50hz with Dolby Vision is not supported on the 2016 OLEDs).

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208074
I don't care about 24p. I've never found a need for it. Seems like placebo effect to me.

Don't know why I need 60hz DV either. DV has been great so far from the built in apps.

Edit- my shield is set at 4k60hz and HDR works. The shield doesn't output Dolby vision so I can't test that on it.

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I don't care about 24p. I've found a need for it. Seems like placebo effect to me.

Don't know why I need 60hz DV either. DV has been great so far from the built in apps and my shield.
Yeah this 24hz thing is being overblown. Looks like the 60hz DV need is more for the UI than the movie itself. I play DV movies on VU with my B6 without issue
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Apps supporting DV?

The biggest question to me is when or if the various apps (Netflix, YouTube, Amazon (when it's released) etc), will be updated to support DV? Have any of them indicated their plans?

Then whether ATV4K will pass through lossy Dolby Atmos? It has been said the audio specs of ATV4k are the same as the current ATV, but I don't believe there is any content that offers Atmos today to test whether it's passed through the ATV?

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It's a bit ridiculous to decide the 24p is unnecessary simply because Apple traditionally does not support it.
The imitability to pass the DD+ bitstream removes the ability to support ATMOS from streamed content.

Streaming is the technology of the future but it is hard to fathom the resistance to supporting native frame-rate and bit-streamed output. TiVo supports both.

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First time in digital era apple is contributing to price decrease. $9.99 for 4K movie is awesome when Amazon and Sony are overcharging $15 to $30 for selected 4K titles. I just ordered mine from BB.


Not true. They did it with electronic books although eventually in a miss-guided application of politics they were forced to scrape their prices.


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People with LG 2016 OLEDs read this, our sets don't support Dolby Vision with 60hz.

The Apple TV can be set manually to 50hz (Europe) or 60hz, but doesn't play Netflix content in native 24p.

Dolby Vision is possible with the resolution set on 1080p 50hz (Europe) or 4K 30hz (60hz or 50hz with Dolby Vision is not supported on the 2016 OLEDs).

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208074
It still might work, because it's not true 60hz. It's 24hz, using 3:2 pulldown converting 24hz to 60hz. The tv will know it's not true 60hz and hopefully work with DV. When I watch DV via the OPPO 203 connected to my E6, the player sends it as 24 hz, however, the E6 grays out Real Cinema motion and one can only use TrueMotion. When RC is greyed out, the tv is using 3:2 pulldown and is converting 24hz to 60hz. So as of right now, the only way we can watch DV on our 2016 models is when the tv does the 3:2 pulldown and watching at 60hz. So if the Apple TV does it, the tv may still allow it to work.

According the apple link, when first connected to tv, the ATV will run some test patterns and we will see if DV does indeed work.

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Yeah this 24hz thing is being overblown. Looks like the 60hz DV need is more for the UI than the movie itself. I play DV movies on VU with my B6 without issue


No it's not over-blown. Supporting 24hz movies allows a 120hz TV to display perfect cadence as intended.

Hdmi limited itself to 60hz because of bandwidth limitations/costs. If hdmi supported 120hz then 24hz would be moot because the source device (ATV) could convert 24hz with a perfect cadence to the TV.


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I have HDR-10 only. will I get the left or the Right side of this dramatized picture if it was taken in 8 megapixel (4K) camera mode.
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I have HDR-10 only. will I get the left or the Right side of this dramatized picture if it was taken in 8 megapixel (4K) camera mode.
You will see the right hand side with HDR movies. Apple has 3 different 4K movies. Regular 4K, which will look like the left hand side, HDR10 which looks like the right side picture, and DV HDR. Since your tv supports HDR10, if the info on the movie shows 4K HDR, you will see it like the right hand picture.

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You will see the right hand side with HDR movies. Apple has 3 different 4K movies. Regular 4K, which will look like the left hand side, HDR10 which looks like the right side picture, and DV HDR. Since your tv supports HDR10, if the info on the movie shows 4K HDR, you will see it like the right hand picture.
I have Sony 900e that will not get DV with future software update but some others will. What will they see that I can't?

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I have Sony 900e that will not get DV with future software update but some others will. What will they see that I can't?
I have an LG E6 OLED, and DV HDR is more impressive looking than HDR10.

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