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The biggest question to me is when or if the various apps (Netflix, YouTube, Amazon (when it's released) etc), will be updated to support DV? Have any of them indicated their plans?

Then whether ATV4K will pass through lossy Dolby Atmos? It has been said the audio specs of ATV4k are the same as the current ATV, but I don't believe there is any content that offers Atmos today to test whether it's passed through the ATV?
Very few Netflix movies (3 now?) and a bunch of Vudu (wild guess...45 or so). That's it.
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guys I need some help with the hook up on the 4k atv .I have a receiver that doesn't decode dolby vision or HDR. if I connect the atv4 directly to receiver and attempt to watch a movie in dolby vision I won't get a picture correct.and if I connect the 4k atv directly to tv I will only get audio thru tv speakers.is there a work around to get the dolby picture and the use of my surround system .I have the Yamaha 2040. thanks.
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guys I need some help with the hook up on the 4k atv .I have a receiver that doesn't decode dolby vision or HDR. if I connect the atv4 directly to receiver and attempt to watch a movie in dolby vision I won't get a picture correct.and if I connect the 4k atv directly to tv I will only get audio thru tv speakers.is there a work around to get the dolby picture and the use of my surround system .I have the Yamaha 2040. thanks.


You will get a picture connecting through your receiver. Just no hdr. If you connect to your tv the audio you get depends on what your tv is capable of feeding back to your receiver. That's up to your tv and receiver and I'll leave that to you to look up.

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Did Apple say when they'll have uhd movies available on itunes?


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Did Apple say when they'll have uhd movies available on itunes?


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Not sure to why im not seeing it. I see hd but not uhd


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Not sure to why im not seeing it. I see hd but not uhd


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They started showing up this week but have since be reverting back to HD. Probably have to wait until Friday for them to fully roll it out.
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Not sure to why im not seeing it. I see hd but not uhd


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As I stated on the other thread they stopped showing on the iPad and iPhone but still are showing on the ATV including all titles that were redeemed as digital copies.

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Never owned an Apple TV. Always used Roku. Anywhere that I can find out what apps are available to use on the Apple TV?

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Never owned an Apple TV. Always used Roku. Anywhere that I can find out what apps are available to use on the Apple TV?


http://www.appledystopia.com/reviews...nnels-by-cost/
This is possibly incomplete it's from a while back
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I have one other question about the Apple TV. I noticed the last couple of versions use a touchpad instead of directional arrow buttons. I'm paralyzed from the neck down (unable to move my hands or arms) so I use a universal remote (MX-450 URC remote) to control my devices. You think the Apple TV code/s in my universal remote will still allow me to maneuver through the menus with the arrow button?

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When do we think we will know if this will support 24p and atmos?

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When do we think we will know if this will support 24p and atmos?


I think after Friday when people are using the actual device.

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When do we think we will know if this will support 24p and atmos?
Apple has already responded that the ATV 4K will not support 24p.

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I have one other question about the Apple TV. I noticed the last couple of versions use a touchpad instead of directional arrow buttons. I'm paralyzed from the neck down (unable to move my hands or arms) so I use a universal remote (MX-450 URC remote) to control my devices. You think the Apple TV code/s in my universal remote will still allow me to maneuver through the menus with the arrow button?
I have neither the remote or Apple TV so I hope someone has a better answer than what I found through search.

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I have one other question about the Apple TV. I noticed the last couple of versions use a touchpad instead of directional arrow buttons. I'm paralyzed from the neck down (unable to move my hands or arms) so I use a universal remote (MX-450 URC remote) to control my devices. You think the Apple TV code/s in my universal remote will still allow me to maneuver through the menus with the arrow button?
Yes, I have several Apple TVs that I control with Logitech Harmony remotes. You should have no problem using a universal remote to control an Apple TV. You'll lose Siri, as that requires the microphone on your remote (or an iOS 11 iPhone for the built in remote, not sure if Siri works with the regular remote app.) Additionally, iOS has Switch support so you can use an iOS device to control the Apple TV with a switch.
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When do we think we will know if this will support 24p and atmos?
And unless it bitstreams (doubtful), it won't do Atmos either.

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Do we know if the ATV 4K will allow us to select the color space? In other words, 4:2:2 at 12 bits or 4:2:0 at 10 and 12 bits? If it operates like current ATV's we will be stuck with 4:4:4 which at 60hz with HDR10 and DV is only 8 bits because that is all the HDMI standard for 4K allows. This would create a lot of banding with HDR material.
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Do we know if the ATV 4K will allow us to select the color space? In other words, 4:2:2 at 12 bits or 4:2:0 at 10 and 12 bits? If it operates like current ATV's we will be stuck with 4:4:4 which at 60hz with HDR10 and DV is only 8 bits because that is all the HDMI standard for 4K allows. This would create a lot of banding with HDR material.


We probably won't know until we take delivery hopefully a tear down happens soon.

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And unless it bitstreams (doubtful), it won't do Atmos either.
I don't understand why Apple does not allow passthrough audio. It's easy to do and it would allow for stuff like Dolby Atmos, which has a real benefit in many cases.

The NVIDIA Shield does it, although it still doesn't do Dolby Vision (but since it's doable in software-only, NVIDIA is likely to add it to the Shield to stay competitive, I guess).
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Guys, why don't I see the 4K Dolby Vision option in my iTunes store on my Mac?

iTunes updated a couple of days ago.

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Guys, why don't I see the 4K Dolby Vision option in my iTunes store on my Mac?

iTunes updated a couple of days ago.
iTunes hasn't shown anything yet. Only thing right now that's showing updated 4K is an ATV4.
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I don't understand why Apple does not allow passthrough audio. It's easy to do and it would allow for stuff like Dolby Atmos, which has a real benefit in many cases.



The NVIDIA Shield does it, although it still doesn't do Dolby Vision (but since it's doable in software-only, NVIDIA is likely to add it to the Shield to stay competitive, I guess).


It's because Apple does all the decoding internally because of Siri and third party apps. If Apple allowed Bitstreaming, it would break voice control. Dolby has a more in depth reasoning. Don't have the link handy. Don't see Apple doing this and yes it's a bummer imho.


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It's because Apple does all the decoding internally because of Siri and third party apps. If Apple allowed Bitstreaming, it would break voice control. Dolby has a more in depth reasoning. Don't have the link handy. Don't see Apple doing this and yes it's a bummer imho.


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It would not break voice control you would just not get a response out of your speakers from Siri during playback. But never have used an ATV I dont know if its something that usually happens to talk to siri in the middle of a movie.
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It would not break voice control you would just not get a response out of your speakers from Siri during playback. But never have used an ATV I dont know if its something that usually happens to talk to siri in the middle of a movie.

Dolby's explanation. I would assume Siri feedback is one of them.

Apple TV includes a built-in decoder for Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby Digital audio. This means that the Apple TV is able to decode Dolby audio rather than simply pass the compressed bitstream to another device (such as an audio/video receiver [AVR] or a sound bar). Decoding the audio inside of the Apple TV enables Apple to support several features such as mixing of other sounds from the system, Siri voice input, and so on.


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Dolby's explanation. I would assume Siri feedback is one of them.

Apple TV includes a built-in decoder for Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby Digital audio. This means that the Apple TV is able to decode Dolby audio rather than simply pass the compressed bitstream to another device (such as an audio/video receiver [AVR] or a sound bar). Decoding the audio inside of the Apple TV enables Apple to support several features such as mixing of other sounds from the system, Siri voice input, and so on.


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Correct but it would only happen during playback. Same way Googletv/fire tv can still function. During the UI and app UI you are outputting PCM audio which means you can mix in other audio IE overlay siri/ok google/alexa on top of the audio stream. Once playback starts of a video you close the PCM stream handshake to a bistream stream. If you picked up the remote and said siri stop playback she would still stop playback she would just not reply with a response during playback. Fire TV functions fine this way as do many DIY google tv boxes. That excuse they give is just a cop out.
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I can, the UX is leaps and bounds better than any competitor. Just the fact that the buttons on my Harmony control all the apps in the same way is a step above the rest.

I've tried a Roku, Nvidia Shield, FireTV, Xbox One, the apps on my 940E, and a PS4. There's always something just wrong somewhere with the UX that make them unpleasant devices to use.
Every single streamer and blu-ray player is missing something at this point:

1. streaming largely omits Dolby Digital TrueHD with Atmos which pretty much makes a Blu-Ray UHD player necessary for movies on a high end system.
2. streaming fails to deliver full bandwidth content (even for a premium price) regardless of your home bandwidth. Again you are forced to go with blu-ray
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The consumer electronics industry has done a piss poor job in creating self discovering IP communications / control standards and the fragmentation is increasing with homekit, siri, alexa, google play, etc, etc.

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How fast an internet connection would you have to have to play 4K streaming without stuttering?
40Mb/s gets you blu-ray quality bandwidth. I have had 200mb/s in Amarillo Texas for around 2 years and we now have 1000mb/s available but I only subscribe to 400mb/s.

Actually I am going to downgrade my cable speed down to 200mb/s if no content is coming out over 15mb/s (current streamers).

They should release the movie with FULL capability and then allow you to download at the speed that is reasonable for your connection requirements... just like youtube or whatever.

I want blu-ray uhd quality video and audio on a streaming device with a great UI and out-of-the-box compatibility with myriad home control systems - is that too much to ask?

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