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Could you guys express your opinion about Dune Pro 4K according to my needs ?
I still have a Dune D1, which is perfect for 1080p videos and other stuffs. I don’t sell it. It’s fantastic.
Nowadays I need a 4K video player for UHD BD with menu, 4K MKV files with Atmos, I mean only for video I need. No app, no Kodi, nothing else. I just want to use its internal player like I use my D1.
I know HDI has released a new firmware that is working fine with menus, like a fisical disc, but according to my need is there any issue that Dune couldn’t be a good option for me ?
Menus for me is a priority for UHD BD.
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Exactly for the use you mention I have a Dune Pro 4K. I’m very satisfied with it even though the last FW seems to have introduced a 3D playback issue, but I don’t ever play 3D, and they’ll fix that eventually.

I don’t ever use apps, or android, etc. on it. For apps I have an Apple TV. And for disks a Panasonic player.

It feeds a Sony VW885ES and an atmos configuration.
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Flawless for me on couple hundred rips -
feeds a JVC N7 and stunning image- have zero interest in aps etc-
Thanks for your opinion.
As you use projector, like me, what do you think about Dune not working with Dolby Vision, but HDR.
Do you have any experience on Dolby Vision and HDR in order to say if one is better than other, or both are the same when image quality is the question ?

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Thanks for your opinion.
As you use projector, like me, what do you think about Dune not working with Dolby Vision, but HDR.
Do you have any experience on Dolby Vision and HDR in order to say if one is better than other, or both are the same when image quality is the question ?
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DV is not currenly option for projectors at home - not likely anytime soon - have no experience with DV- Dune is still working on accurate meta data for Hdr - Again no concern for me as I use custom gamma curves - only be issue if use your display tone mapping -update expected to address in future
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Exactly for the use you mention I have a Dune Pro 4K. I’m very satisfied with it even though the last FW seems to have introduced a 3D playback issue, but I don’t ever play 3D, and they’ll fix that eventually.

I don’t ever use apps, or android, etc. on it. For apps I have an Apple TV. And for disks a Panasonic player.

It feeds a Sony VW885ES and an atmos configuration.
Thank you for that.
I don’t care about 3D, like you.
As I said I need it only for 4K movies with menu, and even for audio, like DVD-A, BD-A, etc, I still use my D1.
When you use your Panasonic for fisical discs do you see any difference in image quality considering Dolby Vision (if your Pana works with DV) and HDR supplied by Dune ?
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DV is not currenly option for projectors at home - not likely anytime soon - have no experience with DV- Dune is still working on accurate meta data for Hdr - Again no concern for me as I use custom gamma curves - only be issue if use your display tone mapping -update expected to address in future
I didn’t know DV is not an option for home projectors. I thought if receiver or AV processor is DV compatible no matters to send DV image to projector.
Anyway, even with some issues yet to be fixed, that I don’t care because do not make difference for me, probably Dune Pro 4K can be a good option for me.
Thanks again, man.
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I didn’t know DV is not an option for home projectors. I thought if receiver or AV processor is DV compatible no matters to send DV image to projector.
Anyway, even with some issues yet to be fixed, that I don’t care because do not make difference for me, probably Dune Pro 4K can be a good option for me.
Thanks again, man.
I've given my older dunes away now as 4k full feature audio player - my wish list is mult channel sacd so can retire my oppo and disc playing for good but that would just be wicked bonus -
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Why are you in this thread? You have a Vero as you stated.. No one wants to buy your app here..So maybe find a different outlet for your "salesmanship"?

And the dune works perfectly for my needs, it is the lack of 3rd party utilities that is a problem..

Anyways,welcome to my ignore list..
I'm not selling anything, you can use Cinemavision for free if you provide your own content.


I still have a Dune, two in fact. I just don't use them. I prefer the Vero4K+, Kodi, and Cinemavision. I'm here because I keep hoping that the Dune devs will catch up and provide a decent jukebox and forced subs in mkv files.
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Yeah, you are using Android. You can't delete Android from the device, it would stop functioning (I don't think that Realtek even provides an SDK for Linux at this point). The old Solo 4K was using embedded linux, this is is not. You are using the player of Dune which makes proper use of the SoCs hardware decoder. Kodi can't do that with Realtek, so you get bad picture quality and general playback support.



Well, maybe he is here because he has the Dune Pro 4K and has some extensive and impressive testing with it? But that's just a guess...
And he is not selling anything, no hardware and no app. Don't know where you got that from.
Thanks man. I appreciate the kind words.
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I've given my older dunes away now as 4k full feature audio player - my wish list is mult channel sacd so can retire my oppo and disc playing for good but that would just be wicked bonus -
As I can see you prefer less equipments to control your medias.
Nowadays I’ve got three, MAC Mini for stereo audio, Dune D1 for BD, DVD, DVD-A, BD-A, all kind of videos, and Oppo BDP-105 also for videos and SACD (DSF files, multi channel).
I do not mind having several devices. Actually I prefer, if someone fails, there is another option for me.

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OK,i was let to believe this unit does not play 3D MVC MKV.. But mine plays them fine in 3D.. I have tried 12 different MKV and ALL work in 3D like they were supposed to..I had begun to rip my 3D discs to iso again,but wanted to see if it would play the mkv in 3D,imagine my surprise when it started in 3D.

I dont know if it works because my naming as was needed for the mede8er,but antman.3D.MVC.mkv for example plays perfectly in 3D..
I am using the 190412_0053_r13 firmware..

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After a few days with the Dune HD 4K Pro,i can now honestly say,this device is friggin AWESOME,at least for 1080p like i use it for.. It has played every bluray i have thrown at it,even the "problematic" ones my popcorn hour and Dune smart D1 refused to play,so i am very happy..
If only they would support 3D MVC MKV i would be in heaven,as i could then retire another device,my mede8er.. Although it has been a while since i watched 3D, it is still nice to have the option..
Does anyone know what the power consumption is in software standby?
3D MKV MVC is supported by Pro4k (and RTD family) for about half a year. It was introduced by one of the fw upgrade, and is still present.
If file does not start in 3D, use Popup Menu, 3D option, and choose SbS or TaB, it will switch to proper 3D mode.
I have just checked it for last FW version, works fine. 3D also still works fine for 3D BD, no regresion here.


Power consumption - in Power Off mode - shall be 1W or less. In Software Standby - maybe 1-2W less than in operation mode. Software standby only switches off video and audio activity (and stops the playbacks), while system still works.

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3D MKV MVC is supported by Pro4k (and RTD family) for about half a year. It was introduced by one of the fw upgrade, and is still present.
If file does not start in 3D, use Popup Menu, 3D option, and choose SbS or TaB, it will switch to proper 3D mode.
I have just checked it for last FW version, works fine. 3D also still works fine for 3D BD, no regresion here.


Power consumption - in Power Off mode - shall be 1W or less. In Software Standby - maybe 1-2W less than in operation mode. Software standby only switches off video and audio activity (and stops the playbacks), while system still works.
Ahh,i see.. Thank you..Strange 3D doesnt work for me with latest beta fw then..
I was so happy it worked with my mkv though,as i can then retire my mede8er also,and i dont have to spend time re-ripping 300 3D blurays :-).
You have to use software standby to be able to wake it from the android ap,correct?

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you have to use software standby to be able to wake it from the android ap,correct?
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FYI..
Latest beta firmware isnt responsiblw for the lack of 3D it seems afterall.
My unit loses 3D capability in software standby,which is why it didnt work with latest beta firmware,i hadnt done a full reboot.. If i do a full reboot,3D playback comes back and work fine...

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Powered up my Solo 4K by accident, and it started a silly slideshow saying they offered 38% off if you bought directly from their own dune shop etc...
The last slide was most interesting... it basically said that the lack of functionality and proper firmware updates are our own fault, because we don't buy enough Dune devices LOL

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Maybe if they focus on what is important, they would SELL more players in the first place. But who am i? The device police?

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Powered up my Solo 4K by accident, and it started a silly slideshow saying they offered 38% off if you bought directly from their own dune shop etc...
The last slide was most interesting... it basically said that the lack of functionality and proper firmware updates are our own fault, because we don't buy enough Dune devices LOL

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True. Zidoo are as bad. They keep announcing new go faster striped models but really need to focus on fixing issues on current models!

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Frame rates still the same:



MaxCLL & MaxFALL are still nonsense.
Hi Mark, have you checket if with the last firmware this issues (frame rate vs. banding) have been solved? Thank you Regards
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Hi Mark, have you checket if with the last firmware this issues (frame rate vs. banding) have been solved? Thank you Regards

It's exactly the same as before, but I don't know if you saw the post, but I had an email from Dune a while back saying they are working with Realtek to solve it.


This latest firmware introduces "newer versions of core components of Realtek SDK" which will hopefully enable them to finally put this issue to bed.


I don't believe that the banding at 12bit 422 will ever get solved as I think the 8-bit internal processing is baked in (same as the 1296) but it will become academic once we can use 10-bit 444 at the correct frame rate.


Similarly, I'm not sure whether this chipset is able to pass MaxCLL and MaxFALL correctly either, but we'll see. So far I don't think anyone has passed this data intact on a 1295 SOC device, so none of them are able to be tone mapped correctly to HDR displays (within the constraints of HDR10).

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but it will become academic once we can use 10-bit 444 at the correct frame rate.
Yes of course, that would be enough for me, as long as banding be fixed...

Sorry, I dont understand the last part of your post regarding HDR (I am not a technical guy besides english is not my native language) / thanks & regards

PS: I have a Sony 850D 65 inchs HDR10
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Yes of course, that would be enough for me, as long as banding be fixed...

Sorry, I dont understand the last part of your post regarding HDR (I am not a technical guy besides english is not my native language) / thanks & regards

PS: I have a Sony 850D 65 inchs HDR10

MaxCLL is the luminosity (brightness) of the brightest pixel in the entire movie and MaxFALL is the maximum average frame brightness - As a minimum requirement, both these numbers are needed to effectively tone map (or scale) the movie's luminance levels to fit the display's ability, particularly in the highlights beyond reference white where the display will be lacking.


Dependent on the display of course, if these numbers are missing or inaccurate, the display can default to a generic gamma curve (input vs output luminance) and not be displayed as intended by the colourist.


In reality, you'd probably never notice in most cases, but it's better to be correct than not.
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Frame rates still the same:



MaxCLL & MaxFALL are still nonsense.
Mark, just two more question:

1. When I set 4k 422 10 bit banding dissapear at all. But is it possible I still notice some jumps in the frame rate?
2. My tv is it abble to reproduce 12 bits? (Sony 850D HDR10)... I mean, what is the sense of the 12 bits setting when the tv is not abble to achieve this capacity of depth color? (may be is a stupid question... I repeat I am not a technical guy, just amateur enthusiastic

Thanks a lot for your answer / Regards from Argentina
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Mark, just two more question:

1. When I set 4k 422 10 bit banding dissapear at all. But is it possible I still notice some jumps in the frame rate?
2. My tv is it abble to reproduce 12 bits? (Sony 850D HDR10)... I mean, what is the sense of the 12 bits setting when the tv is not abble to achieve this capacity of depth color? (may be is a stupid question... I repeat I am not a technical guy, just amateur enthusiastic

Thanks a lot for your answer / Regards from Argentina

You can't set 4K 422 10-bit since it's not part of the HDMI spec.
I suspect you mean 4K 444 10-bit, in which case there will be no banding introduced in decoding, and this is the optimal setting for playback of UHD material.


Unfortunately on the Dune, this is output at 23.988fps which causes a frame repeat(microstutter) every 1min 23seconds approx.


Now you may or may not notice this - some people seem more tolerant of it than others and certainly using frame interpolation modes on TVs can alleviate it, usually at the expense of causing the dreaded "soap opera" effect, but again, some people like that.
Static or less dynamic imagery also hides it so you may only notice a few instances per movie. The classic "tell" is a pan, zoom or tracking shot where the motion noticeably stutters back a frame.


As for 12-bit settings, you're correct, there is no point in choosing 12-bit 4:4:4 since the source material is 10-bit and the Dune does not interpolate, it simply pads to 12 bits - so same image quality as 10-bit colour.


The only thing this does is needlessly increase the bandwidth requirement on your HDMI chain.

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MaxCLL is the luminosity (brightness) of the brightest pixel in the entire movie and MaxFALL is the maximum average frame brightness - As a minimum requirement, both these numbers are needed to effectively tone map (or scale) the movie's luminance levels to fit the display's ability, particularly in the highlights beyond reference white where the display will be lacking.


Dependent on the display of course, if these numbers are missing or inaccurate, the display can default to a generic gamma curve (input vs output luminance) and not be displayed as intended by the colourist.


In reality, you'd probably never notice in most cases, but it's better to be correct than not.
Mark – have you had chance to view any of the tone mapping on new JVC’s- not sure if any other PJ’s have it –
Its still a work in progress – I have checked out many discs and not one do I prefer the image from just using built in stock tone mapping over a custom curve-
Even if you go thru new JVC forum – nobody uses just stock settings – if they do they all tweak it up
quite a bit and not consistent-

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Mark – have you had chance to view any of the tone mapping on new JVC’s- not sure if any other PJ’s have it –
Its still a work in progress – I have checked out many discs and not one do I prefer the image from just using built in stock tone mapping over a custom curve-
Even if you go thru new JVC forum – nobody uses just stock settings – if they do they all tweak it up
quite a bit and not consistent-

No I haven't had a chance to see the new JVCs in action yet - still very tempted but I have to admit I'm a little put off by the lower contrast ratio compared to the older PJs and the fact they haven't nailed tone mapping yet - it's really not rocket science!.


They must be well aware of all the work done over on the RS600 forum a couple of years ago which has enabled us all to produce some stunning results with custom curves so there's really no excuse.


Daft as it sounds though, and ignoring the obvious benefit of native 4K chips, one thing I am interested in is sync times! I believe they're much better now... that drives me insane!


I do want to explore dynamic tone mapping too, so a Lumagen is currently beckoning me but I want to see what Madshi comes up with, although that could be a year or so away yet.

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No I haven't had a chance to see the new JVCs in action yet - still very tempted but I have to admit I'm a little put off by the lower contrast ratio compared to the older PJs and the fact they haven't nailed tone mapping yet - it's really not rocket science!.


They must be well aware of all the work done over on the RS600 forum a couple of years ago which has enabled us all to produce some stunning results with custom curves so there's really no excuse.


Daft as it sounds though, and ignoring the obvious benefit of native 4K chips, one thing I am interested in is sync times! I believe they're much better now... that drives me insane!


I do want to explore dynamic tone mapping too, so a Lumagen is currently beckoning me but I want to see what Madshi comes up with, although that could be a year or so away yet.

I use those curves – there should be at least an option to have lower nit default-
The DI is also currently fubar – not sure how anyone can use with yellow ting of whites –
Even with those caveats its producing best image I have seen – constantly in awe –
Such a treat to watch anything – Could not recommend more highly –
Of note had a visitor recently who contacted me for viewing – he owns JVC last yrs. high end –
He was impressed enough to order an N7 for himself after couple hours of watching-
What he was most impressed was 4k detail and commented on smoothness of image –
He described it like a stillness - He was also floored in watching a projector in dedicated black out room and I kind of think that may have swayed him in seeing a bigger improvement than what he was seeing-

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I use those curves – there should be at least an option to have lower nit default-
The DI is also currently fubar – not sure how anyone can use with yellow ting of whites –
Even with those caveats its producing best image I have seen – constantly in awe –
Such a treat to watch anything – Could not recommend more highly –
Of note had a visitor recently who contacted me for viewing – he owns JVC last yrs. high end –
He was impressed enough to order an N7 for himself after couple hours of watching-
What he was most impressed was 4k detail and commented on smoothness of image –
He described it like a stillness - He was also floored in watching a projector in dedicated black out room and I kind of think that may have swayed him in seeing a bigger improvement than what he was seeing-

Very very tempting


I know I'll pull the trigger one of these days....

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No Kodi won’t run as smooth at all. Realtek would basically need to use official Android APIs. I don’t see them doing this. The shield is basically able to do all things like HD audio pass through because it uses those APIs.
Best thing we can hope for is Kodi+Dune player as external player.
Kodi runs as smooth for me and is the only player I use for MKVs as it support external subs.
As I use headphones when using Dune I don't mind sound is only stereo.
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Kodi runs as smooth for me and is the only player I use for MKVs as it support external subs.
I don't understand this. The Dune own player support the external subtitle too. Much easier and more convenient like an another player app. For me...
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I don't understand this. The Dune own player support the external subtitle too. Much easier and more convenient like an another player app. For me...
4K Pro doesn't automatically support external subs (like previous Dune players did and Kodi does) if the video contains internal subs.
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Guys.. Anyone know where to buy the bluetooth remote only that comes with the 4K Pro Plus?

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