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I'll keep this short as it's marginally off-topic.

MyMovies supports the M (including menus) with exactly the same limitations as the Oppo App, which is mainly that it doesn't support files (ISO, MKV).

But DVD, 2D BD, 4K UHD folders are perfectly supported, as well as 3D BD folders.

The main downside, of course, is that when you rip/convert to BD Folders, you double the size. I bit the bullet as I already had all my DVD, BD and UHD BD in folders, and converted my 400 3D BD ISOs into folders too.

There are occasional glitches that hopefully will be ironed out re network control, sometimes a title doesn't play, you have to try again. Not a big deal, but not ideal.

But being able to control the M from MyMovies super app is just irresistible. You browse your collection on your iPad/iPhone (I haven't tested Android) and once you've chosen your title, you play it on the M.

The main downside, apart from the folder limitation and the slight network impredictability (only to start playback, never when playing, playback is perfection for audio and video for all formats), is that the M is only supported as a bridge, so you need a laptop or a PC (can be client or server) on so that MyMovies can go through it to control the M.

To discuss MyMovies and the M further, please check this thread.

Due to the slight IP control impredictability, I'd love to try a Dune Pro 4K when/if they solve the 23p issue at 4K 12bits 4:4:4, as it's also a dealbreaker for me. I have it in my wish list on Amazon, I'm only waiting for Mark's post to checkout

Thanks @markswift2003 for keeping us posted, it's very kind of you.

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But apparently you have run your dune with a remote using a dongle? And it worked fine straight out of the box?
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That's correct. I've used both the Wechip air mouse and the MX3 air mouse. They both have 2.45Ghz dongles and they both worked with out problem with the Dune 4K and access all functions available on the Dune 4K.

I think that you will find that the Dune BT air mouse also has a 2.45Ghz dongle as well and that its use is necessary when pairing the device.

They are all Android BT air mouse's and they all operate the same way. Any difference will be whether or not they have a keyboard and the number of programmable buttons if at all. The Dune BT air mouse appears to be a G10 type air mouse with a Dune logo and it too will have a 2.45Ghz dongle.

Bluetooth on board, inside the Dune 4k is for pairing with a Bluetooth source like a cell phone etc. To the best of my knowledge, it will not pair with a BT remote.

Bluetooth is assigned to the 2.45Ghz frequency band. To be exact it operates between 2.402 GHz and 2.480 GHz. It operates at ~1 milliwatt transmitting power and has an effective range of ~30 feet. Bluetooth operates using spread-spectrum frequency hopping and changes frequency ~1600 times per second within the assigned frequency range to avoid interference with other devices sharing the same frequencies.

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Bluetooth on board, inside the Dune 4k is for pairing with a Bluetooth source like a cell phone etc. To the best of my knowledge, it will not pair with a BT remote.
Yes it will, that is what i have tried to tell you, there is a difference, my g20 does not have a dongle, and paired directly eith on-board.
But i have my answer now, and have ordered a g30 with dongle off ebay.. Hopefully that will work as intended.

Wether or not the dune plus g10 comes with a dongle or not, dune doesnt disclose, but the dongle is not shown on any images or lists of "whats in the package" so it might be a "true" bluetooth remote that pairs with on-board bluetooth without a dongle, anyways, to all who are tired of this, im done now, and could have been 5 posts ago..
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Yes it will, that is what i have tried to tell you, there is a difference, my g20 does not have a dongle, and paired directly eith on-board.
But i have my answer now, and have ordered a g30 with dongle off ebay.. Hopefully that will work as intended.

Wether or not the dune plus g10 comes with a dongle or not, dune doesnt disclose, but the dongle is not shown on any images or lists of "whats in the package" so it might be a "true" bluetooth remote that pairs with on-board bluetooth without a dongle, anyways, to all who are tired of this, im done now, and could have been 5 posts ago..

Really hope this works for you because forum frustrations aside, that's all we all want here, for our own viewing rooms, all of which are different, to work for us.

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Really hope this works for you because forum frustrations aside, that's all we all want here, for our own viewing rooms, all of which are different, to work for us.
Well said. I might whine about having to read it over and over, but I also know how frustrating it can be to not have something work the way you want it to!
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When was the last firmware - seems ages ago!

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When was the last firmware - seems ages ago!
It may have been ages ago, but, thankfully each firmware version moves forward, unlike the Zidoo releases for the Z9s which have serious regression issues.
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When was the last firmware - seems ages ago!

1st June!!

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1st June!!
And, no regression issues !!
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And, no regression issues !!
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You have to admit Zidoo are failing to support the Z9s with their poor attention to regression testing and firmware versions that fail to address the basic functionality flaws of the player.
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You have to admit Zidoo are failing to support the Z9s with their poor attention to regression testing and firmware versions that fail to address the basic functionality flaws of the player.
Yes I absolutely agree, the same as Dune has failed to deliver on the Dune HD Pro 4K. Dune may have better regression testing but there are fundamental flaws that await fixing. In my opinion both players have failed to deliver improvements fast enough. I accept the fact that neither will ever achieve their true potential - but I'm resigned to that now.

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... I accept the fact that neither will ever achieve their true potential - but I'm resigned to that now.

I'm exactly the same, you have to be pragmatic. As I've said many times, I use a Dune for 2K and Zidoo for 4K, and that works for me.


I've used media players since the first Pixel Magic jobs appeared some 15 years ago and Windows Media PCs before that and they just never get finished - you'll never find a one box fits all solution but it's very entertaining watching people jump up and down about it.


The closest I've seen recently is the Shield which I now use purely for Netflix, Amazon and other streaming duties. Still has issues, but use it within its capabilities and it's great!


That's not to say we shouldn't keep pummelling the devs - keep pressing the buttons and eventually a light will come on...
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Yes I absolutely agree, the same as Dune has failed to deliver on the Dune HD Pro 4K. Dune may have better regression testing but there are fundamental flaws that await fixing. In my opinion both players have failed to deliver improvements fast enough. I accept the fact that neither will ever achieve their true potential - but I'm resigned to that now.
But, unlike with the Z9s, (unless you are susceptible to the framerate issue), the Pro 4K plays every HD/UHD blu-Ray title flawlessly from BDMV folders, supports forced subs, no issues with multi m2ts file titles and blu-Ray menus work. Or am I missing a fundamental flaw ?

The Pro 4K does have issues with DVD playback, is that what you are referring to as fundamental flaws ?
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But, unlike with the Z9s, (unless you are susceptible to the framerate issue), the Pro 4K plays every HD/UHD blu-Ray title flawlessly from BDMV folders, supports forced subs, no issues with multi m2ts file titles and blu-Ray menus work. Or am I missing a fundamental flaw ?
Not quite true. With the Dune I have issues with some blurays - definitely UHD not sure about HD - where it will start with subtitles on by default. If I turn off and re start they are there again. This happened on the recent Black Hawk Down UHD where I couldn't get the forced subs to work properly as it insisted on showing English subs for all dialogue. Also happens with Casino UHD

The Dune has a broken fast forward and rewind which is very frustrating. You also can't sync audio.

So basically both players have there fair share of issues - yet I concede that Zidoo are guilty of fixing one thing and breaking something else!
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I'm exactly the same, you have to be pragmatic. As I've said many times, I use a Dune for 2K and Zidoo for 4K, and that works for me.


I've used media players since the first Pixel Magic jobs appeared some 15 years ago and Windows Media PCs before that and they just never get finished - you'll never find a one box fits all solution but it's very entertaining watching people jump up and down about it.


The closest I've seen recently is the Shield which I now use purely for Netflix, Amazon and other streaming duties. Still has issues, but use it within its capabilities and it's great!


That's not to say we shouldn't keep pummelling the devs - keep pressing the buttons and eventually a light will come on...
Had a Shield but got rid of it to get ATV for streaming. The ATV gives me Atmos in Netflix and is an excellent streaming device.

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Had a Shield but got rid of it to get ATV for streaming. The ATV gives me Atmos in Netflix and is an excellent streaming device.

Not to wander too far off topic, but then we are making (tenuous!) comparisons with the Dune, I've been very tempted by the ATV for exactly that reason but I do wonder what the new Shield will give us, which seems fairly imminent according to the internet rumour mill...

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...unless you are susceptible to the framerate issue...
Well yeah, and this is not a little mistake! We, who are here, that's why we buy a device of this quality, because we love the quality. And we love perfect operation too. So this item is very very good, but not perfect for we. Yet! I hope...
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Well yeah, and this is not a little mistake! We, who are here, that's why we buy a device of this quality, because we love the quality. And we love perfect operation too. So this item is very very good, but not perfect for we. Yet! I hope...
The issue is obvious when it occurs on my 11' wide screen, maybe not as noticeable with a smaller screen or TV.

This is the most basic core function of a media player, it *must* play back the content at the proper frame rate. They definitely have to fix this.
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The issue is obvious when it occurs on my 11' wide screen, maybe not as noticeable with a smaller screen or TV.

This is the most basic core function of a media player, it *must* play back the content at the proper frame rate. They definitely have to fix this.

I think this "susceptibility" is a bit of a myth - as you say, the situation is exacerbated on big screens - the bigger the screen, the bigger the physical distance between stuff jumping around up there! But I find it difficult to believe that anyone can't discern an event lasting approx. 1/24s (Fight Club anyone? )


Also, it seems that a lot of people, either out of preference or otherwise, seem to have frame interpolation switched on (I know a few have mentioned it on here) in whatever guise their TV employs. My guess is some folks don't even realise it's on and just get used to the soap opera effect, or whatever you wish to call it, as "normal".


Some people, I know, don't like the 24Hz flicker of a movie, and again use FI to mitigate that at the expense of authenticity (film projectors have long used a clever double shutter to mitigate it).


But you're absolutely right, correct frame rate presentation is the most basic of requirements and currently from the crop of the usual suspects, it's only Dune and Zappiti who haven't cracked it yet, although Zappiti "sort of" have as we know...
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When was the last firmware - seems ages ago!

Patiently waiting for a firmware update...I have HDMI handshake issues when playing UHD 4k mkv's. I get a black screen, then the unit locks up. A power cycle brings it back.
2k mkv's works all the time...
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New FW has just been released
Version 190601_0246_r13 (beta)
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@kadqs - last firmware was 3rd June. Any news on next one?
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Patiently waiting for a firmware update...I have HDMI handshake issues when playing UHD 4k mkv's. I get a black screen, then the unit locks up. A power cycle brings it back.
2k mkv's works all the time...
If the Dune is "locking up", that's not HDMI handshake issues.

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New Firmware, details are somewhat sketchy for now:

Version "190913_0244_r13" (BETA version)

Download: dune_firmware_tv292a_190913_0244_r13.df f

Changes since 190601_0246_r13:

This version includes various new features, improvements and fixes. In particular, this version includes new "Online Subtitles" feature (possibility to download subtitles from Internet directly during file playback). NOTE: There were a lot of internal changes, so this version probably includes some bugs (will be fixed in further versions). More detailed information will become available later.

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New Firmware, details are somewhat sketchy for now:

Version "190913_0244_r13" (BETA version)

Download: dune_firmware_tv292a_190913_0244_r13.df f

Changes since 190601_0246_r13:

This version includes various new features, improvements and fixes. In particular, this version includes new "Online Subtitles" feature (possibility to download subtitles from Internet directly during file playback). NOTE: There were a lot of internal changes, so this version probably includes some bugs (will be fixed in further versions). More detailed information will become available later.

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Just installed it. Strange with the changelog, Dune is usually more detailed than that.

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And so far, none of the bugs (FF/REW, HDR metadata, etc.) that matter to me have been fixed....smh.

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If the Dune is "locking up", that's not HDMI handshake issues.

It becomes unresponsive with a black screen with the little clock in the top left hand corner. It does play UHD some of the time though, but it is a pain to get it working. Changed all cables to certified and all that jazz. I gave up. I just resorted to spinning discs again.

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It becomes unresponsive with a black screen with the little clock in the top left hand corner. It does play UHD some of the time though, but it is a pain to get it working. Changed all cables to certified and all that jazz. I gave up. I just resorted to spinning discs again.
That could be hardware related. How do you play your content? Is it via NAS? Attached disc? Have you tried a factory reset?

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And so far, none of the bugs (FF/REW, HDR metadata, etc.) that matter to me have been fixed....smh.
Face it people, they never will. Time of death: about 18 months ago.

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Sad to say that they still haven't got the frame rate right! Wow.


A real disappointment it has to be said.


@zombie10k, @Manni01 - thought I'd @ you guys to let you know, hope the email didn't get your hopes up.
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