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I've configured Spmc and Kodi (separate install) to NAS shared folder via SMB (and also tried NFS), it does recognize folder, no problem connecting to it and navigating folders and see thumbnails, but once I press "Play" on any movie or episode, it just hangs on "loading"/"working".
Why on earth would you use spmc or kodi... just use dune's player, that has all the functionality the box offers at the moment. Kodi and spmc do not. And probably never will (if i was dune )
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Im not home now, but if I remember good : the dune up/8080
sorry but i dont understand that.. the dune up/8080

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@zombie10k Hello, is there any pq difference between dune pro vs zidoo x9s? Thank you
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Now I have added the network folders and indexed via My Collection, they playback from there, with native resolution and framerate, with the bonus of episode guides and artwork. This also seems to fix the browse network playback as well. Must be related to indexing the file.
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If the NFS server and client are at different versions the protocol is downgraded to support the lower version of the NFS protocol. It needs further investigation to determine which version MacPro is supporting but suspect that the Zidoo X9S and the Pro 4K May support a later version than the Solo 4k. If the protocol is being downgraded, that may account for the stutter when using the newer devices. There are NFS commands that can be used to determine the version of NFS.
MacOs High Sierra supports up to version 4 of NFS. But I agree with you - for some reason both these media players cannot connect with MacOs's version 4 of NFS, and change to an earlier version. If I new what the exact connection problem was I have programs to modify how NFS works on MacOs. But I am not that tech savvy.

On a brighter note I was able to figure out how to set up an SMB Network Folder on the Dune HD Pro that actually connects to my MacPro without errors... finally! And so far there is no stuttering while streaming movies from my MacPro using SMB. I will test out the higher bit rate UHD movies (like John Wick 2) in the future to see if any stuttering returns.

I also use yaDIS as a Movie/TV Show interface for the Dune player and I have also successfully modified the configurations to recognize the new SMB connection. By the way playing 3D ISO files (not mkv) works great also providing the Dune HD Pro can find the main movie to play.

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BTW, the banding issue is now fixed w/Zidoo and 10-bit 4K. They've unfortunately introduced an issue w/12-bit now.
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On X9S and X10.

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On X9S and X10.
I read they had banding issues with the x20 and x20 Pro.

I tought all banding issues were fixed on previous gen models.

bare in mind the Zidoo models like the x10 use the Realtek 1295 and the dune uses the 1295 revision B.

Dune still needs to fix quite few bugs and a new firmware is due next month which will also introduce bluray menu so I am just waiting for that.

would you be doing a review of the dune pro 4k? quite enjoy reading them.

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There was banding prior to f/w v2.0.34 w/Zidoo X9S/X10 and Sony & LG displays, and Optoma UHD51A projector which I use. Haven't tested w/latest f/w v.1.2.28 on my X20 review sample.

Haven't bothered to review X20 as I'm not finding any appreciable video/playback improvements w/X20. Feel similarly w/Dune given its price premium, and lack of MKV MVC support is a big shortcoming (especially as @zombie10k pointed out it's basically the same h/w). Does RTD1295 rev.B add anything special? Also, is there a ZDMC-like solution w/Dune, using Kodi as a front-end, but pushing video playback to native/external player? I'd test/review Dune if I could get a review sample, but not sure who I'd need to reach out for this.

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Hi, does anybody know if there is a release date for the 4k Ultra yet?
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There was banding prior to f/w v2.0.34 w/Zidoo X9S/X10 and Sony & LG displays, and Optoma UHD51A projector which I use. Haven't tested w/latest f/w v.1.2.28 on my X20 review sample.

Haven't bothered to review X20 as I'm not finding any appreciable video/playback improvements w/X20. Feel similarly w/Dune given its price premium, and lack of MKV MVC support is a big shortcoming (especially as @zombie10k pointed out it's basically the same h/w). Does RTD1295 rev.B add anything special? Also, is there a ZDMC-like solution w/Dune, using Kodi as a front-end, but pushing video playback to native/external player? I'd test/review Dune if I could get a review sample, but not sure who I'd need to reach out for this.
the revision B I think fixes a few bug from the standard revision not sure what they are exactly as there were no release notes.

My opinion the 3d format is dead hence why hardly any new TVs support the format until James Cameron introduces his new 3d tech which he said would be game changer in 3d.

the dune has two Eco systems one android and one dune OS so you can have spmc on there but dune uses its own interface and playback engine. eg you cannot install say emby and get direct play to use dune player as it won't find it.

Dune will also be introducing a new player from what one source said in the next few firmwares.

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I really like this thing. Easy setup, great pq with SDR and HDR. Plays UHD blu mkv over WiFi too.

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Wonder what the 'advanced' with "Advanced HDR processing engine" and "Advanced autoframerate and automatic resolution switching" really improve upon with rev.B?! Zidoo's rev.A 1295 do both well.

Re: 3D, yep, it's dead with TV's, but alive and well with projectors. That's why I recently picked up the Optoma UHD51A, which does 4K HDR and 3D really well, especially at its price point.

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So : Write you browser in your PC :

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@zombie10k Hello, is there any pq difference between dune pro vs zidoo x9s? Thank you


Another user's opinion may be subjective, but anyway...…


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For those with recent acquired Dune in the US, any issues with PQ, stuttering, frame skips, etc...?? Thanks!!
i watched a 4k UHD MakeMKV rip last night, it was flawless!!!! PQ looked better for me then the x9s
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Wonder what the 'advanced' with "Advanced HDR processing engine" and "Advanced autoframerate and automatic resolution switching" really improve upon with rev.B?! Zidoo's rev.A 1295 do both well.

Re: 3D, yep, it's dead with TV's, but alive and well with projectors. That's why I recently picked up the Optoma UHD51A, which does 4K HDR and 3D really well, especially at its price point.
the hdr does seem to have more pop over my oppo 203 and SDR to hdr seems great for bluray rips.

advance resolution and framework is probably just marketing and most if not all can do these well now. not sure what revision B brings should ask for a white paper on the chipset.



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the revision B I think fixes a few bug from the standard revision not sure what they are exactly as there were no release notes.

My opinion the 3d format is dead hence why hardly any new TVs support the format until James Cameron introduces his new 3d tech which he said would be game changer in 3d.

the dune has two Eco systems one android and one dune OS so you can have spmc on there but dune uses its own interface and playback engine. eg you cannot install say emby and get direct play to use dune player as it won't find it.

Dune will also be introducing a new player from what one source said in the next few firmwares.

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A few points on 3D
  • There are no 3D TV's manufactured by any major company anymore. NONE.
  • There is no 3D Spec for 4K discs.
  • James Cameron "game changer" is nothing more than brighter projection which will require new projectors. Good luck on getting theaters to buy new projectors for a dead format. He has some other pie in the sky desires, but nothing that you can expect will become mainstream anytime in the next decade.
I'd rather see the Dune team work on fixes and features that matter.
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A few points on 3D
  • There are no 3D TV's manufactured by any major company anymore. NONE.
  • There is no 3D Spec for 4K discs.
  • James Cameron "game changer" is nothing more than brighter projection which will require new projectors. Good luck on getting theaters to buy new projectors for a dead format. He has some other pie in the sky desires, but nothing that you can expect will become mainstream anytime in the next decade.
I'd rather see the Dune team work on fixes and features that matter.
one of the reasons 3d is dead was the lack of sales due to sale of factors and hence why 4K was born and 4k on its own it not all that all it is the HDR that makes stand out.

I'm not into 3d myself as I don't like the dark, weak picture produced but if you had glasses free 3d projection with a bright picture and hdr then we are talking.

Avatar was the first and best 3D movie of all time. The 3d camera's used was created/customised by James Cameron. Avatar is what bought 3D tech to cinema and homes due the the success of that movie and consumers wanted more.

he has developed another type of camera that brings even more depth of effect from a much closer distance and I know he is a fan of high frame rate like the hobbits 48fps, so what he will introduce will direct cinema as avatar 2/3/4/5 are in the pipework with this new tech.

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one of the reasons 3d is dead was the lack of sales due to sale of factors and hence why 4K was born and 4k on its own it not all that all it is the HDR that makes stand out.

I'm not into 3d myself as I don't like the dark, weak picture produced but if you had glasses free 3d projection with a bright picture and hdr then we are talking.
Actually I prefer to watch a 3D Blu-ray over and 4K HDR version of the same movie on my LG OLED (65G6P). This was the last OLED released by LG with 3D. And once it was professionally calibrated (including the 3D) the picture is amazing. The glasses are passive and not a problem to wear. And the drop in brightness has been compensated through the calibration. The 3D is magnificent... but a little too late (and too expensive) for the general population to appreciate.
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one of the reasons 3d is dead was the lack of sales due to sale of factors and hence why 4K was born and 4k on its own it not all that all it is the HDR that makes stand out.

I'm not into 3d myself as I don't like the dark, weak picture produced but if you had glasses free 3d projection with a bright picture and hdr then we are talking.

Avatar was the first and best 3D movie of all time. The 3d camera's used was created/customised by James Cameron. Avatar is what bought 3D tech to cinema and homes due the the success of that movie and consumers wanted more.

he has developed another type of camera that brings even more depth of effect from a much closer distance and I know he is a fan of high frame rate like the hobbits 48fps, so what he will introduce will direct cinema as avatar 2/3/4/5 are in the pipework with this new tech.

back on the dune topic.

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Even in the modern era of 3D, Avatar wasn't the first 3D film, it wasn't even James Camerons first 3D film. Cameron released Ghosts of the Abyss in 3D in 2003. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_fil...2%80%93present)

Cameron is NOT developing a new camera system. Cameron did develop one, Fusion Camera, but that was used on Avatar. It's also only been used on one feature since 2013. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_Camera_System

Cameron is currently using Sony Venice cameras with 3D rigs for the next Avatar films. https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/digi...=ban-ngp-20112

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First Impressions - current problems...

Overall I am quite satisfied with this early release of the new Dune HD Pro 4K. But I have noted still some lingering bugs (or problems)...

1) The player does not turn on and off HDR reliably on my LG OLED-65G6P.

2) Chapter skip with mkv files is not implemented yet.

3) As others have stated, there is no blu-ray or UHD full menu playback (hopefully released soon).

4) Major video stuttering occurs if you access a Network Folder using a Dune Script (such as what yaDIS creates) if that location uses the "nfs:" prefix to locate the folder on you local network directly. If you setup up a Network Folder (either NFS or SMB) on the Dune player first, then reference that network folder using its folder ID (eg. - network_folder_id://NF001/UHD_Movie_Folder, there is no more stuttering on playback. At least this occurs with my MacPro.

5) I have seen rare micro stuttering on Network Folder playback of UHD movies (at least the SMB on the Mac using version 1 - Mac's SMB versions 2 or 3 are not compatible with the Dune HD Pro 4K). I am uncertain, but still testing to see if micro stuttering occurs also with NFS shared folders. I have not seen micro stuttering with playback of 1080p or 3D video sources.

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Hi, just got me Dune HD Pro 4K yesterday and already experience the strangest issue.
First of all, I did read this entire topic, I'm following it since I've decided to get this device to be aware of all the problems and possible fixes.
My devices and setup as follows, TV Samsung KU7000 4K, Qnap NAS (112P), Dune HD Pro 4K and old HTPC that being replaced by Dune streamer. All of them are connected via 1Gbps network.
I've configured Spmc and Kodi (separate install) to NAS shared folder via SMB (and also tried NFS), it does recognize folder, no problem connecting to it and navigating folders and see thumbnails, but once I press "Play" on any movie or episode, it just hangs on "loading"/"working". At the same time I try playing the same file on old HTPC and all works flawlessly, so no network issue here.
Same thing (stuck on loading) happens when I try playing anything on Youtube or Netflix (preinstalled apps).
But this is not happening when playing from the same source using "My Collections".
I did try downgrade firmware to previous, reset to defaults numerous times on both latest and previous firmware.
Changed HDMI, network cables... nothing helps.
Was really looking into using this box, but this issue is really frustrating me, I'm on the edge of returning it
Any help/suggestion is greatly appreciated! Thanks.
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UPDATE:
Ha, I kind of fixed it!
I switched the whole unit off with the physical switch rather than only reboot.
Youtube is working now perfectly, in general it seems everything is working much faster and better!!
I noticed changing the volume did not work either and it's working now too.

So, I highly recommend to switch off the unit for a minute if you got any issues and see if this resolves it.

Question is, why is that? Was there some data/cache left in the RAM? Or just a component which needed a proper power cycle? I thought a factory reset/shutting down and rebooting would be enough but obviously not.
If you comply switch your dune off (switch at the back) for some seconds and reboot it should work again.
Unfortunately I have to do this all the time to be able to stream with youtube
BBC iPlayer is not working at all sadly
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Even in the modern era of 3D, Avatar wasn't the first 3D film, it wasn't even James Camerons first 3D film. Cameron released Ghosts of the Abyss in 3D in 2003. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_fil...2%80%93present)

Cameron is NOT developing a new camera system. Cameron did develop one, Fusion Camera, but that was used on Avatar. It's also only been used on one feature since 2013. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_Camera_System

Cameron is currently using Sony Venice cameras with 3D rigs for the next Avatar films. https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/digi...=ban-ngp-20112

correct, Ghost in the Abyss 3D was the main release back in 2003, but Avatar made the tech stand out and the tech was developed by James Cameron even on the Ghost of the Abyss. If you read this interview half way down he talks about the camera tech in calibration with Sony. https://www.theguardian.com/film/200...atbfisouthbank



here you have the CPG (James Cameron, Vince Pace, Group) leaders in 3D tech - http://www.cameronpace.com/v2/index....egroup/aboutus


"Sony worked closely with Lightstorm to customize VENICE for its specific needs, with regular meetings taking place between James Cameron, his production teams and Sony's engineering group." - Custom Dual ring camera setup with version 2 firmware features as requested production professionals and the ability to do high frame rate - https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300658403.html


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Overall I am quite satisfied with this early release of the new Dune HD Pro 4K. But I have noted still some lingering bugs (or problems)...

1) The player does not turn on and off HDR reliably on my LG OLED-65G6P.

2) Chapter skip with mkv files is not implemented yet.

3) As others have stated, there is no blu-ray or UHD full menu playback (hopefully released soon).

4) Major video stuttering occurs if you access a Network Folder using a Dune Script (such as what yaDIS creates) if that location uses the "nfs:" prefix to locate the folder on you local network directly. If you setup up a Network Folder (either NFS or SMB) on the Dune player first, then reference that network folder using its folder ID (eg. - network_folder_id://NF001/UHD_Movie_Folder, there is no more stuttering on playback. At least this occurs with my MacPro.

5) I have seen rare micro stuttering on Network Folder playback of UHD movies (at least the SMB on the Mac using version 1 - Mac's SMB versions 2 or 3 are not compatible with the Dune HD Pro 4K). I am uncertain, but still testing to see if micro stuttering occurs also with NFS shared folders. I have not seen micro stuttering with playback of 1080p or 3D video sources.
I have confirmed that the micro-stuttering output occurs with both SMB and NFS playback, though less with NFS. It occurs rarely (every few minutes), and is difficult to see unless it occurs in a scene that shows smooth panning and tracking.

By the way, since the video stream from the HDMI output of the Dune HD Pro 4K is running ever so slightly fast (23.988 not 23.976 frames per second as would be expected), you would then expect a skipped frame every few minutes depending on how the display handles the incorrect video output from the Dune Player. If this is true, then a future firmware update that corrects the video output rate should correct this micro-stuttering.

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I have confirmed that the micro-stuttering output occurs with both SMB and NFS playback, though less with NFS. It occurs rarely (every few minutes), and is difficult to see unless it occurs in a scene that shows smooth panning and tracking.

By the way, since the video stream from the HDMI output of the Dune HD Pro 4K is running ever so slightly fast (23.988 not 23.976 frames per second as would be expected), you would then expect a skipped frame every few minutes depending on how the display handles the incorrect video output from the Dune Player. If this is true, then a future firmware update that corrects the video output rate should correct this micro-stuttering.

Hi, can you try it with local storage attached directly to the Dune? The Oppo 203 also reports 'incorrect' frame rates to the vertex and have never seen micro-stuttering from UHD HDR content on that player. My network source is a 46TB synology using SMB. thx!
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I played a 2160p 24 BDMV tonight with direct storage attached and it had microstutters. All the 1080p 24 stuff I played today in mkv went fine. I need to try a 2160p 24 mkv.

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Hi, can you try it with local storage attached directly to the Dune? The Oppo 203 also reports 'incorrect' frame rates to the vertex and have never seen micro-stuttering from UHD HDR content on that player. My network source is a 46TB synology using SMB. thx!
Yes, I will try local storage attached directly to the Dune Player to see if the micro-stuttering disappears when I get the time. But that is a mute point since I still ultimately need to stream video from my MacPro (I have five Raids attached to the MacPro with 140 TB of external storage). The Vertex reports the frame rate of the same movie playing on my Oppo 203 as 23.974 fps (using either the original UHD Disc or streaming a lossless copy from my MacPro with SMB), a lot closer than the 23.988 fps reported for video playback from the Dune Player. I have also left a message on the HDFury Vertex forum concerning the frame rate differences that the Vertex reports... Is this real, and could this cause the micro-stuttering I see?

It is frustrating though to see the micro-stuttering when others do not have the problem. Does the HDMI output from your Dune HD Pro 4K go through a receiver, or do you use your Vertex to split the signal and send it to your receiver and display like I currently do?

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Yes, I will try local storage attached directly to the Dune Player to see if the micro-stuttering disappears when I get the time. But that is a mute point since I still ultimately need to stream video from my MacPro (I have five Raids attached to the MacPro with 140 TB of external storage). The Vertex reports the frame rate of the same movie playing on my Oppo 203 as 23.974 fps (using either the original UHD Disc or streaming a lossless copy from my MacPro with SMB), a lot closer than the 23.988 fps reported for video playback from the Dune Player. I have also left a message on the HDFury Vertex forum concerning the frame rate differences that the Vertex reports... Is this real, and could this cause the micro-stuttering I see?

It is frustrating though to see the micro-stuttering when others do not have the problem. Does the HDMI output from your Dune HD Pro 4K go through a receiver, or do you use your Vertex to split the signal and send it to your receiver and display like I currently do?

Hi, current setup is Oppo / Zidoo / Dune -> Denon 7200WA -> Vertex -> JVC RS600 projector

i'm traveling for a few days and will compare vertex reported framerate between the zidoo and dune when I get back later this week. There was a zidoo update that tweaked the framerate

Optimization of small offset of 23.976 frame rate in some resolution and color depth modes
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Is it just me or do these pro 4k units run real hot? Has anybody else noticed that?

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Yes, I will try local storage attached directly to the Dune Player to see if the micro-stuttering disappears when I get the time. But that is a mute point since I still ultimately need to stream video from my MacPro (I have five Raids attached to the MacPro with 140 TB of external storage). The Vertex reports the frame rate of the same movie playing on my Oppo 203 as 23.974 fps (using either the original UHD Disc or streaming a lossless copy from my MacPro with SMB), a lot closer than the 23.988 fps reported for video playback from the Dune Player. I have also left a message on the HDFury Vertex forum concerning the frame rate differences that the Vertex reports... Is this real, and could this cause the micro-stuttering I see?

It is frustrating though to see the micro-stuttering when others do not have the problem. Does the HDMI output from your Dune HD Pro 4K go through a receiver, or do you use your Vertex to split the signal and send it to your receiver and display like I currently do?
Definitely. The refresh rate reported by the Vertex is the refresh rate used by the source. It could absolutely cause what you see. Dune has to fix this.

Many people aren't sensitive/don't notice a frame drop/repeat every few minutes. For example, many never spot these in 3D with an nVidia GPU, but they are there and they ruin the presentation for me as I'm very sensitive to them.
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