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I thought @nolan1234 posted about ASUS BC-12B1ST working and then I asked if ASUS BW-12B1ST could work the same way if firmware were updated to 3.0?


Looks that way. I also posted about that. Maybe we did something wrong, or AVS had a glitch in the matrix?


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Looks that way. I also posted about that. Maybe we did something wrong, or AVS had a glitch in the matrix?


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I've just not seen it with my 200+ UHD BD titles. They have all been pristine discs.

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I had not 1 but 2 bad disks in my first copy of Westworld in 4K. Sent it back to Amazon and the replacement was fine.

Also, Makemkv really struggled to read one of my 4k disks(forget which one). Had to try 3 or 4 times before getting a clean RIP.

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I had not 1 but 2 bad disks in my first copy of Westworld in 4K. Sent it back to Amazon and the replacement was fine.

Also, Makemkv really struggled to read one of my 4k disks(forget which one). Had to try 3 or 4 times before getting a clean RIP.

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Me too, I think it was the 2nd disc but not sure?

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Me too, I think it was the 2nd disc but not sure?


My second disc would freeze at certain spots when played but ripped fine.

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can someone point me to the post where we discuss best practices for flashing drive firmware?

I'm going to give my ASUS BW-12B1ST another chance this weekend. I'm encouraged after nolan had success with his similar model.
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can someone point me to the post where we discuss best practices for flashing drive firmware?



I'm going to give my ASUS BW-12B1ST another chance this weekend. I'm encouraged after nolan had success with his similar model.


This should help: https://docs.google.com/file/d/1EvYk...iletype=msword



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I have the Asus drive installed and ready to go (Alex special drive). I downloaded the hashed keys and copied the entire .txt file into the .makemkv folder. I did not edit the name of the file nor did I edit the file extension. Do I need to edit the file to keys.cfg or keys.txt in order for the ripping to work properly (I just joined this thread and have not read it in its entirety).

The UHD "Wrinkle in Time" loaded in makemkv as it normally would with non-UHD discs. I see only one title and I began the ripping process. Everything looks to be working as it would with a non-UHD BD. My question is how would I go about ripping an ISO with the ISO folder structure? I thought that was what was required for a UHD disc? Am I supposed to have an ISO folder structure in order to get the Dolby Vision or HDR to work? I have never ripped to ISO in the 2+years and 600+ BDs I have ripped. I just rip the main title, edit the file name and throw it in a "movie" folder on my Emby server.

EDIT: I ripped the movie file's single title and it plays perfectly in both Kodi and the Emby player. I see HDR10 seems to be enabled on my TVs info screen. I'll try to test Dolby Vision by the Nvidia Shield doens't support it so I'll need to attempt some other way. My AVR only shows Dolby TrueHD. How do I enable Atmos? I have verified already Atmos enabled tracks work on my AVR.

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EDIT: I ripped the movie file's single title and it plays perfectly in both Kodi and the Emby player. I see HDR10 seems to be enabled on my TVs info screen. I'll try to test Dolby Vision by the Nvidia Shield doens't support it so I'll need to attempt some other way. My AVR only shows Dolby TrueHD. How do I enable Atmos? I have verified already Atmos enabled tracks work on my AVR.
I believe the only way as of now to play back titles in DV is to do a Full disc rip and playback via the Oppo 203's usb input.

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I believe the only way as of now to play back titles in DV is to do a Full disc rip and playback via the Oppo 203's usb input.
Ok got it. Can you briefly explain what I need to do in makemkv to do a full disc rip? Will this reveal the atmos track as well?
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I believe the only way as of now to play back titles in DV is to do a Full disc rip and playback via the Oppo 203's usb input.
It works over SMB and NFS networking also.

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Ok got it. Can you briefly explain what I need to do in makemkv to do a full disc rip? Will this reveal the atmos track as well?
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Thanks I'm giving it a shot right now. I have never ripped to ISO. Will the Dolby Atmos audio track show up now that I have it ripped to ISO? Is it supposed to show up when ripping a title to mkv? I only saw Dolby TrueHD in the audio selection.
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Thanks I'm giving it a shot right now. I have never ripped to ISO. Will the Dolby Atmos audio track show up now that I have it ripped to ISO? Is it supposed to show up when ripping a title to mkv? I only saw Dolby TrueHD in the audio selection.


Makemkv doesn’t make an ISO. It rips to a BDMV folder. It is exactly the same as having the disc. It retains all the info bit for bit. The atmos audio is in a Dolby TrueHD container. That audio track has the atmos metadata inside of it. Same for DTS:X audio which is in a DTS: HD MA container.

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I believe the only way as of now to play back titles in DV is to do a Full disc rip and playback via the Oppo 203's usb input.


If someone wanted to keep only the main movie and also retain Dolby Vision, DVDFab will do this. It rips only the main movie and any subtitles and audio you select to a BDMV. DCDFab is not free though.
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Makemkv doesn’t make an ISO. It rips to a BDMV folder. It is exactly the same as having the disc. It retains all the info bit for bit. The atmos audio is in a Dolby TrueHD container. That audio track has the atmos metadata inside of it. Same for DTS:X audio which is in a DTS: HD MA container.
Ok got it, forgive my ignorance. It's been awhile

So, with a BDMV folder structure, can I rename the file and throw the entire folder in on my Emby/(Plex) server? What do I do with the folder?

What do you mean by Atmos is contained in the TrueHD track? This is my first rodeo with a UHD BD - previously I only have tried a UHD test file, which had Atmos show up on my AVR. Today, when I played back the UHD from my Emby server only the TrueHD showed up. Is it not possible to get Atmos/DTSx to rip to mkv?
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Ok got it, forgive my ignorance. It's been awhile



So, with a BDMV folder structure, can I rename the file and throw the entire folder in on my Emby/(Plex) server? What do I do with the folder?



What do you mean by Atmos is contained in the TrueHD track? This is my first rodeo with a UHD BD - previously I only have tried a UHD test file, which had Atmos show up on my AVR. Today, when I played back the UHD from my Emby server only the TrueHD showed up. Is it not possible to get Atmos/DTSx to rip to mkv?


Atmos is just metadata. Dolby TrueHD is how it’s transmitted from the disc. Selecting the TrueHD track will also provide the appropriate metadata from the ripping process. If you didn’t get atmos then the playback software was not providing the atmos metadata to your AVR.

The folder must be played with appropriate software and I’m sorry to say there are very few devices that know what to do with it. The oppo 203 can play it back just fine including Dolby vision. An nvidia shield using mrmc or Kodi can play it as well but no Dolby vision. A pc can provide proper playback with something like VLC media player I believe.

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Atmos is just metadata. Dolby TrueHD is how it’s transmitted from the disc. Selecting the TrueHD track will also provide the appropriate metadata from the ripping process. If you didn’t get atmos then the playback software was not providing the atmos metadata to your AVR.

The folder must be played with appropriate software and I’m sorry to say there are very few devices that know what to do with it. The oppo 203 can play it back just fine including Dolby vision. An nvidia shield using mrmc or Kodi can play it as well but no Dolby vision. A pc can provide proper playback with something like VLC media player I believe.
So I probably didn't get the Atmos track when ripping?

Kodi can play back a BDMV file without converting it to ISO?
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So I probably didn't get the Atmos track when ripping?



Kodi can play back a BDMV file without converting it to ISO?


If you create a BDMV folder you get everything that was on the disc including ATMOS.

If you want to create and ISO you can use a free software program such as Imgburn to make an iso out of the folders. Kodi does play back ISO’s just fine.

I think you are getting confused due to the DolbyVision information being thrown into the posts. If you don’t have an Oppo UHDBR Player you won’t be able to play back the DV.
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If you create a BDMV folder you get everything that was on the disc including ATMOS.

If you want to create and ISO you can use a free software program such as Imgburn to make an iso out of the folders. Kodi does play back ISO’s just fine.

I think you are getting confused due to the DolbyVision information being thrown into the posts. If you don’t have an Oppo UHDBR Player you won’t be able to play back the DV.
Thanks for your help. I'm assuming Dolby Vision support on devices like the Shield are forthcoming (maybe not) so I'd like to have that ability later if possible. I have never created an ISO. I'll download ImgBurn. Any settings I should be aware of?
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Thanks for your help. I'm assuming Dolby Vision support on devices like the Shield are forthcoming (maybe not) so I'd like to have that ability later if possible. I have never created an ISO. I'll download ImgBurn. Any settings I should be aware of?


If it gets DV it mostly likely will be single layer DV which is used for streaming. Discs use dual layer which as it’s been said can only be read by the Oppo. There are many devices that do DV, it’s the dual layer DV that is missing from playback capabilities. I would not expect anything beyond what we already have for the near future.

For Imgburn I followed guides I found via google and use the same settings for regular blu-ray ISOs. Depending on your setup it should be a fairly quick process to create the iso.
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If it gets DV it mostly likely will be single layer DV which is used for streaming. Discs use dual layer which as it’s been said can only be read by the Oppo. There are many devices that do DV, it’s the dual layer DV that is missing from playback capabilities. I would not expect anything beyond what we already have for the near future.

For Imgburn I followed guides I found via google and use the same settings for regular blu-ray ISOs. Depending on your setup it should be a fairly quick process to create the iso.
Ok thanks for the info. So, as it stands what benefit is there to backup to BDMV and create an ISO? If the Nvidia Shield won't do DV (only HDR10) and I don't plan on purchasing an Oppo, isn't it more efficient to rip the main mkv file?

I'm still confused about Atmos/DTSX. It has been said it is just metadata built into the HD audio track. So, How do I get Atmos to play? Only via ISO?
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Ok thanks for the info. So, as it stands what benefit is there to backup to BDMV and create an ISO? If the Nvidia Shield won't do DV (only HDR10) and I don't plan on purchasing an Oppo, isn't it more efficient to rip the main mkv file?



I'm still confused about Atmos/DTSX. It has been said it is just metadata built into the HD audio track. So, How do I get Atmos to play? Only via ISO?


Besides getting the extras in one package, not much IMO. MKV will give you the movie only and you can select the audio tracks you want to include before you begin the ripping process. MKV is more widely playable so many choose it to rip to. In the end you need to decide what’s the best for you.

To get ATMOS to play you select the ATMOS track on the rip you made much like you would with a disc. You can rip to MKV with any audio track that’s on the disc.
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Besides getting the extras in one package, not much IMO. MKV will give you the movie only and you can select the audio tracks you want to include before you begin the ripping process. MKV is more widely playable so many choose it to rip to. In the end you need to decide what’s the best for you.

To get ATMOS to play you select the ATMOS track on the rip you made much like you would with a disc. You can rip to MKV with any audio track that’s on the disc.
OK I am getting it now. I have been using makemkv and ripping BD to mkv for years. Always have heard it is unnecessary to rip to BDMV and make ISO... that is until Dolby Vision. But, like mentioned, probably not gonna see support near future.

Here is my ATMOS problem: opened BDMV in makemkv and still no ATMOS to select.
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So I probably didn't get the Atmos track when ripping?



Kodi can play back a BDMV file without converting it to ISO?


Kodi should work. I’ve never personally tried. And you probably got the atmos track but whatever device was playing it was not outputting the metadata

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OK I am getting it now. I have been using makemkv and ripping BD to mkv for years. Always have heard it is unnecessary to rip to BDMV and make ISO... that is until Dolby Vision. But, like mentioned, probably not gonna see support near future.



Here is my ATMOS problem: opened BDMV in makemkv and still no ATMOS to select.


The TrueHD file is the atmos file. Makemkv does not specify atmos but it’s there and it will playback in atmos with the correct playback software and equipment. As I said the atmos part is just object audio data added onto the TrueHD audio track. Select the trueHd track and play the TrueHD track(some software requires you to select it) and you will get atmos, again if the playback software and hardware supports it.
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OK I am getting it now. I have been using makemkv and ripping BD to mkv for years. Always have heard it is unnecessary to rip to BDMV and make ISO... that is until Dolby Vision. But, like mentioned, probably not gonna see support near future.

Here is my ATMOS problem: opened BDMV in makemkv and still no ATMOS to select.
If you select the TruHD track in MakeMKV and look in the info box to the right, you'll see the TruHD Atmos listed.

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I've been backing up my UHD discs with Dolby Vision to BDMV folder structure and noticed some don't have the "disc.inf" file, in fact it seems most don't. I've even searched the discs and only found it on one disc. Is that file really necessary in the AVCHD folder for all types of playback to work?

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I've been backing up my UHD discs with Dolby Vision to BDMV folder structure and noticed some don't have the "disc.inf" file, in fact it seems most don't. I've even searched the discs and only found it on one disc. Is that file really necessary in the AVCHD folder for all types of playback to work?
No, not at all. It's mainly info for movies that have playlist obfuscation with dummy/decoy lists that play the movie out of order. That file will just tell you the correct playlist to select should you decide to rip an MKV or another file with movie only.
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No, not at all. It's mainly info for movies that have playlist obfuscation with dummy/decoy lists that play the movie out of order. That file will just tell you the correct playlist to select should you decide to rip an MKV or another file with movie only.
Thanks SuperFist. Maybe the one I found the file for had playlist obfuscation and that's why it was there, I'll have to look at that. I hadn't found a disc.inf file on any of the other DV discs.

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