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Yes because both formats exist on the disc.
Yeah, thanks - I've understood that now.

Still curious whether there is a way to rip an ISO, burn it to a triple-layer UHD disk, and successfully play full-blown Dolby Vision with the burned disk...
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Got it - so it sounds like the oppo can read the same file structure as though it has just opened an ISO image but cannot read an ISO image itself.


>>>Yes<<<

Has anyone tried to check whether an LG UPK90 can read the same format?

>>>Yes, I "rented" one a few months ago and like every other consumer level player it blew chunks try to play the bdmv folder. Actually it's whatever the most expensive LG player was a couple months ago, 970? Unless there's been a firmware update recently but I'd think we'd have heard about it. Haven't found a consumer level player yet that can do the folder thing yet, tried Sonys, Samsungs, LGs. You can navigate to and play an .m2ts file itself but that's <<<

And as far as ISO images, has anyone successfully ripped a Dolby Atmos ISO, written it to a triple-layer disk and confirmed that the copy plays correctly? Too expensive an inconvenient to be a practical backup-solution, but I'm just trying to understand where things stand as far as successful techniques to back up a Dolby Vision UHD...

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Yeah, thanks - I've understood that now.


Still curious whether there is a way to rip an ISO, burn it to a triple-layer UHD disk, and successfully play full-blown Dolby Vision with the burned disk...

What piece of hardware is going to play back a burned disc regardless of DV?
Long as it works in file format is what matters (to me at least). Going beyond that is passing through the gray area right into black hey I'm a pirate area.

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Yeah, thanks - I've understood that now.

Still curious whether there is a way to rip an ISO, burn it to a triple-layer UHD disk, and successfully play full-blown Dolby Vision with the burned disk...
I'm think you'll have playback problems trying to that as the player will see it as a non-commercial disc and have copyright issues with it preventing playback.

Do you not have a device capable of playing the folder structure of the ripped disc? I believe the Nvidia Shield plays ISO files as well as folder format. I use an OPPO 203 and it plays just about everything I send to it.
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I'm think you'll have playback problems trying to that as the player will see it as a non-commercial disc and have copyright issues with it preventing playback.

Do you not have a device capable of playing the folder structure of the ripped disc? I believe the Nvidia Shield plays ISO files as well as folder format. I use an OPPO 203 and it plays just about everything I send to it.
Got it - thanks.

I've got a new LG UBK90. It plays mkvs w/ 5.1 sound or m2ts w/ Atmos. If no one has tried playing the folder format with a UBK90 yet, I may give it a try (though Alexcoluzzi32's failure with an LG 970 doesn't give me much hope).
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What piece of hardware is going to play back a burned disc regardless of DV?
Long as it works in file format is what matters (to me at least). Going beyond that is passing through the gray area right into black hey I'm a pirate area.
Agree, was just teying to understand current state of 'what works' and what doesn't.

This 'file format' thing is new to me - is there a pointer to instructions for ripping BD into file folder format somewhere? I'm curious to learn more about it and to try that format with my new LG UBK90...
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Has anyone tried to check whether an LG UPK90 can read the same format?

>>>Yes, I "rented" one a few months ago and like every other consumer level player it blew chunks try to play the bdmv folder. Actually it's whatever the most expensive LG player was a couple months ago, 970? Unless there's been a firmware update recently but I'd think we'd have heard about it. Haven't found a consumer level player yet that can do the folder thing yet, tried Sonys, Samsungs, LGs. You can navigate to and play an .m2ts file itself but that's <<<
Well, if it blew chunks with a 970, it probably will with a UBK90 as well, but if someone can point me to instructions for how to rip a Bluray into file folder format, I'll give it a try...

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And as far as ISO images, has anyone successfully ripped a Dolby Atmos ISO, written it to a triple-layer disk and confirmed that the copy plays correctly? Too expensive an inconvenient to be a practical backup-solution, but I'm just trying to understand where things stand as far as successful techniques to back up a Dolby Vision UHD...

>>>I'm not even sure which of these drives can write a disc. The ASUS bw16 can I'm sure, have to look at the specs for the LGs. Best way I know to backup a UHD with or w/o DV is makemkv > full disc backup decrypt box checked! Currently at 325-350 titles in UHD on the hard drive(s).<<<
Yeah, seems like HDR10 is the most practical way to back up UHD disks. Snd as I already stated, there are those claiming that HDR10 w/ LGs Dynamic Tone Mapping is virtually indistinguishable from full-blown Dolby Vision...

Still curious to learn more about this 'file folder' format
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Do you not have a device capable of playing the folder structure of the ripped disc? I believe the Nvidia Shield plays ISO files as well as folder format. I use an OPPO 203 and it plays just about everything I send to it.
There are a few Android boxes that can play UHD ISO. Although my experience has been that they have too many issues to be worth messing with - just for that function.
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There are a few Android boxes that can play UHD ISO. Although my experience has been that they have too many issues to be worth messing with - just for that function.
Yes, I've played with a few of those boxes as well but never fell in love with any of them.

Out of curiosity, I tried to play a UHD ISO rip of Annihilation with the Infuse app on an Apple TV 4K and it plays it just fine. I knew the app would play 1080p Blu-ray ISOs but I never tried a UHD rip before.
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Yes, I've played with a few of those boxes as well but never fell in love with any of them.

Out of curiosity, I tried to play a UHD ISO rip of Annihilation with the Infuse app on an Apple TV 4K and it plays it just fine. I knew the app would play 1080p Blu-ray ISOs but I never tried a UHD rip before.

Keenan how you doing man? Long time no talk! So what did you use for the ISO ripping?
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Yeah, thanks - I've understood that now.

Still curious whether there is a way to rip an ISO, burn it to a triple-layer UHD disk, and successfully play full-blown Dolby Vision with the burned disk...
So are all DV discs triple layer? Because the vast majority of UHD BDs are only dual layer BD66 discs?

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Yes, I've played with a few of those boxes as well but never fell in love with any of them.

Out of curiosity, I tried to play a UHD ISO rip of Annihilation with the Infuse app on an Apple TV 4K and it plays it just fine. I knew the app would play 1080p Blu-ray ISOs but I never tried a UHD rip before.
Kodi and MrMC will also play from the iso.

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I thought pretty much any UHD disk is going to be triple-layer.

After making an mkv and tossing all the junk you don't neec, maybe you'd be down in dual-layer territory, but if making a bit-perfect ISO I woukd have thought fitting on dual-layer woukd be the exception rather than the rule (DolbybVision or not).
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So are all DV discs triple layer? Because the vast majority of UHD BDs are only dual layer BD66 discs?
No, they are not. There's no correlation between DV and disc size.
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Keenan how you doing man? Long time no talk! So what did you use for the ISO ripping?
Does anyone use multiple paid 4K rippers? I need to try some of the other ones. Particularly interested in DeUHD and how it can use non friendly drives. I've got a couple newer "UHD Official" drives I am dying to try.
Hi Alex, I use AnyDVD to do the bulk of my ripping utilizing either my LG or ASUS drives. I have a paid version of MakeMKV but I rarely use it as AnyDVD is just so easy to use. I rip to a folder structure as it will play as a virtual disc on my OPPO 203, I do this for both 1080 Blu-rays and UHD Blu-rays.
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Hi Alex, I use AnyDVD to do the bulk of my ripping utilizing either my LG or ASUS drives. I have a paid version of MakeMKV but I rarely use it as AnyDVD is just so easy to use. I rip to a folder structure as it will play as a virtual disc on my OPPO 203, I do this for both 1080 Blu-rays and UHD Blu-rays.
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I got more than my money's worth for the original anydvd. I used it for something like a decade. And I've been using the new one since it was available. For the little I paid for both of them, they have been well worth it.

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"beta" is just Mike's excuse to offer it to the community for free. It's as 'beta' as gmail was for half a decade.
Hopefully the new engine will get the ability to rip Fury and Patriot. Supporting with $50 helps make that happen.
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This. If you are using MakeMKV and it meets your needs, pay the $50...

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I agree, I won't ever buy AnyDVD again as I already bought the lifetime service once. MakeMKV is fine and does everything I need it to do.


Same here regarding AnyDVD. Paid for lifetime to “previous” company. And to top it off, they have the worst moderator there of any forum that I know. Rude as heck. I certainly am not going to pay them to have somebody talk to me like I’m a child.

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Yeah, thanks - I've understood that now.

Still curious whether there is a way to rip an ISO, burn it to a triple-layer UHD disk, and successfully play full-blown Dolby Vision with the burned disk...
At this time no player supports playback of a triple-layer burned Disk. One or two BD players (a Sony and an LG) will play DUAL-layer burned UHD ISO discs.

I found out after doing a lot of research.

But a PC with the 'right' UHDBD player does support playback using VLC, MHC, etc - but no stand alone BD player.

at least not yet - but i'm holding out hope.

ps - if I'm correct - the BD player you have WILL support a UHD BD ISO Disc but only a two-layer burn. So that means a movie @66BGB or less will play in your device. I can't see where you're located but my guess is the UK by the model number.

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Hopefully the new engine will get the ability to rip Fury and Patriot. Supporting with $50 helps make that happen.
I've got no problem supporting if it was listed as free or a paid final version. With free versions I will donate a lot. And of course a paid version I will purchase it. But I do not pay or donate for beta software.

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At this time no player supports playback of a triple-layer burned Disk. One or two BD players (a Sony and an LG) will play DUAL-layer burned UHD ISO discs.

I found out after doing a lot of research.

But a PC with the 'right' UHDBD player does support playback using VLC, MHC, etc - but no stand alone BD player.

at least not yet - but i'm holding out hope.

ps - if I'm correct - the BD player you have WILL support a UHD BD ISO Disc but only a two-layer burn. So that means a movie @66BGB or less will play in your device. I can't see where you're located but my guess is the UK by the model number.
I don't understand the reason for taking a regular 4K UHD movie disc and burning it as an ISO file to another disc? Is that so that you have a backup?

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I don't understand the reason for taking a regular 4K UHD movie disc and burning it as an ISO file to another disc? Is that so that you have a backup?
Correct. Play the burned disc - archive the original.

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I've got no problem supporting if it was listed as free or a paid final version. With free versions I will donate a lot. And of course a paid version I will purchase it. But I do not pay or donate for beta software.
IMO, you are being ridiculous... putting way too much emphasis on the "beta" software description. When you purchase the full activation key, you no longer have to input the temporary free key and provide support for Mike to continue his amazing service. A no brainer...
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