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post #2101 of 2505 Old 01-30-2019, 04:09 PM
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As a matter of fact yes, I did a full disc backup of this flick just last week. My original rip had a couple spots where it froze up. That being said it seems like certain titles you know you've ripped before occasionally disappear from the keys file only to return again later. Where do they go? LOL



I just checked my NAS and I see that I created an MKV copy back in March of last year so you are correct, it did work at one time.

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I just checked my NAS and I see that I created an MKV copy back in March of last year so you are correct, it did work at one time.


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He’s very good about keeping the key file current but the last few months there’s been some shenanigans going down on occasion. Flicks you know had keys suddenly reporting no key.....


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I wasn’t lying
He’s very good about keeping the key file current but the last few months there’s been some shenanigans going down on occasion. Flicks you know had keys suddenly reporting no key.....


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Has anyone tried ripping "Stranger Things" season 2 UHD with makemkv yet? I started to watch the rips tonight but the chapters (possibly the episodes as well) are not in order. If someone has run into this and has a solution, I would appreciate it. I did a Google search and also a search on the makemkv forums but didn't find any results pertaining to this issue.
It's a common issue and whenever I get motivated about it again, it's an issue I plan to work on. All we need for some simple code to fix the TV ripping conundrum is the EXACT EPISODE LENGTHS (to the second or fraction of a second). Somewhat mind-blowingly, I've never been able to find such data. I know it's out there--most of the streaming services have data on the episode lengths. If there's not already a database that normal folks can access with to-the-second episode lengths (I've never been able to find one), then all we need to do is, in some fashion (crawler, request the data, etc), get the data and put it into something like TVDB. Then my ripping scripts could figure out not only exactly which tracks to pull but also label them as the appropriate episode, or at least put them in order.
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So I'm struggling to get caught up on the HDR issues. It seems like the main issues are only with Dolby Vision and now HDR10+, but that the base HDR10 layer (at least from a disc with DV) is supposed to play fine in an MKV container?

My MKV of Blackkklansman (from the UHD with Dolby Vision) may disagree ...

Maybe it was something else but it seemed like it had a compressed dynamic video range. Are we supposed to do anything special with Makemkv to get it to pull the HDR10 info correctly? Or to get certain players to play it correctly?

In other news, I saw that official LG drives are supported or are about to be.

Has anyone tried ripping the "ENHANCED IMAX" discs yet? I'm very curious how the aspect ratio side of things is working there. The only thing I'm interested in with these discs is the expanded aspect ratio. I'm real curious if they've figured out a way for only "imax certified" players to show the expanded aspect ratio (seems doubtful though) and, if so, can we simply rip it?
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Check to make sure the 3D doesnt default to Right eye sync instead of Left Eye (majority of titles). I had that happen with Kong Skull Island when I remixed with Atmos and the image looked like it was ghosting super hard and the depth was weird, I had to remux with right eye sync checked.
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You are definitely on to to something.

I ticked the "Use base video stream for right eye" on the BluRay Tab of tsMuxeR and tried again - but it seemed the same. BUT - I flipped my 3D glasses around (left eye with right lens....) - and voila - 3D image was correct.

Can you clarify if I ticked the correct box in the correct software?
Most 3d players have an option to switch L/R eye configuration on the fly. Should be in the on-screen menu settings.
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Most 3d players have an option to switch L/R eye configuration on the fly. Should be in the on-screen menu settings.
Neither on mine did when you are using frame packed 3D (no option in projector either).
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So I'm struggling to get caught up on the HDR issues. It seems like the main issues are only with Dolby Vision and now HDR10+, but that the base HDR10 layer (at least from a disc with DV) is supposed to play fine in an MKV container?



My MKV of Blackkklansman (from the UHD with Dolby Vision) may disagree ...



Maybe it was something else but it seemed like it had a compressed dynamic video range. Are we supposed to do anything special with Makemkv to get it to pull the HDR10 info correctly? Or to get certain players to play it correctly?



In other news, I saw that official LG drives are supported or are about to be.



Has anyone tried ripping the "ENHANCED IMAX" discs yet? I'm very curious how the aspect ratio side of things is working there. The only thing I'm interested in with these discs is the expanded aspect ratio. I'm real curious if they've figured out a way for only "imax certified" players to show the expanded aspect ratio (seems doubtful though) and, if so, can we simply rip it?

I haven’t seen any issues with HDR10 discs via my ATV4K and Infuse. Have you played the DV/HDR10 of the disc? It’s not a “pop” filled movie, if anything it’s sort of desaturated on purpose. There is nothing special needed. The HDR10 base layer is what is ripped and plays back via MKV.

Yes, they are (but not all firmwares, we discussed this a page or two back).
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So I'm struggling to get caught up on the HDR issues. It seems like the main issues are only with Dolby Vision and now HDR10+, but that the base HDR10 layer (at least from a disc with DV) is supposed to play fine in an MKV container?



My MKV of Blackkklansman (from the UHD with Dolby Vision) may disagree ...



Maybe it was something else but it seemed like it had a compressed dynamic video range. Are we supposed to do anything special with Makemkv to get it to pull the HDR10 info correctly? Or to get certain players to play it correctly?



In other news, I saw that official LG drives are supported or are about to be.



Has anyone tried ripping the "ENHANCED IMAX" discs yet? I'm very curious how the aspect ratio side of things is working there. The only thing I'm interested in with these discs is the expanded aspect ratio. I'm real curious if they've figured out a way for only "imax certified" players to show the expanded aspect ratio (seems doubtful though) and, if so, can we simply rip it?
DV, HDR10+, and IMAX enhanced discs all rip fine. The IMAX enhanced discs I tried just filled the 16:9 screen, like other IMAX titles.

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Neither on mine did when you are using frame packed 3D (no option in projector either).
Very strange....What player and projector are you using? Frame packed MVC 3d is exactly the type of 3D in which you would need this option..... network streaming players (Zidoo, Mede8er, etc) should always have the option in its pop up menus to switch the base stream eye view for those rare titles that use the right eye instead of the much more common left...not to mention most all projectors have the menu option to swap if needed.
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So I'm struggling to get caught up on the HDR issues. It seems like the main issues are only with Dolby Vision and now HDR10+, but that the base HDR10 layer (at least from a disc with DV) is supposed to play fine in an MKV container?

My MKV of Blackkklansman (from the UHD with Dolby Vision) may disagree ...

Maybe it was something else but it seemed like it had a compressed dynamic video range. Are we supposed to do anything special with Makemkv to get it to pull the HDR10 info correctly? Or to get certain players to play it correctly?

In other news, I saw that official LG drives are supported or are about to be.

Has anyone tried ripping the "ENHANCED IMAX" discs yet? I'm very curious how the aspect ratio side of things is working there. The only thing I'm interested in with these discs is the expanded aspect ratio. I'm real curious if they've figured out a way for only "imax certified" players to show the expanded aspect ratio (seems doubtful though) and, if so, can we simply rip it?
I had no issues ripping Blackkklansman to MKV and playing back in Infuse on my ATV4K. Also, what exactly are you expecting with 'expanded aspect ratios'? This just shows how confusing the marketing speak is for 'IMAX Enhanced'. There is literally nothing special required to display a certain aspect ratio on blu-ray, it's just where you put the black bars. So they are going to display in 1.9:1 and slap an 'IMAX Enhanced' sticker on the box? It's ridiculous.
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Very strange....What player and projector are you using? Frame packed MVC 3d is exactly the type of 3D in which you would need this option..... network streaming players (Zidoo, Mede8er, etc) should always have the option in its pop up menus to switch the base stream eye view for those rare titles that use the right eye instead of the much more common left...not to mention most all projectors have the menu option to swap if needed.
Samsung, Oppo players and Sony projector. We went through this back when the original post was made, I posted all the option screen shots. I dont know why they decided to bring it back up it was months ago lol.
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Samsung, Oppo players and Sony projector. We went through this back when the original post was made, I posted all the option screen shots. I dont know why they decided to bring it back up it was months ago lol.
That is funny! oh well, based on your equipment, I see why you dont have the option... bluray players as streamers are always much more limited compared to actual network players... cant speak to the Sony projector though...
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Most 3d players have an option to switch L/R eye configuration on the fly. Should be in the on-screen menu settings.
I have an Oppo 203 and Sony VPL-HW55ES Projector - and can't see the option you refer to....I let Oppo know of the issue, but they were unaware of the need to build a "switch" into the players - pretty rare thing, I guess.

My Lumagen 2020 appears to have this option - but it is not controlling my glasses, and switching it ON doesn't appear to fix it. I only have it on one disc at the moment, Live Die Repeat - Edge of Tomorrow.

So I'll just have to remember to wear the glasses upside down when watching it....

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Also, what exactly are you expecting with 'expanded aspect ratios'? This just shows how confusing the marketing speak is for 'IMAX Enhanced'. There is literally nothing special required to display a certain aspect ratio on blu-ray, it's just where you put the black bars. So they are going to display in 1.9:1 and slap an 'IMAX Enhanced' sticker on the box? It's ridiculous.
I mean "expanded" as in 16:9 vs 21:9. Not all films that opened up to 16:9 in theaters do so on disc format (Avengers: Infinity War being the most note-worthy mention, as the entire thing was filmed in IMAX format but was cut down to 21:9 for the home video release.) My assumption has been that these "IMAX Enhanced" versions will do so though.
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I haven’t seen any issues with HDR10 discs via my ATV4K and Infuse. Have you played the DV/HDR10 of the disc? It’s not a “pop” filled movie, if anything it’s sort of desaturated on purpose. There is nothing special needed. The HDR10 base layer is what is ripped and plays back via MKV. .
Testing out Blackkklansman last night, I discovered that it looked MUCH better when I switched one of the Epson settings over to "HDR Mode 1" (or something to that effect). Apparently "auto" can't figure out which dynamic range mode to actually use. It was the same when I played the actual disc too.

Don't know if I'm relieved though that it turned out to be an issue of "guess what setting you have to tweak to make this UHD HDR movie look decent!!" instead of a ripping issue.
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I have an Oppo 203 and Sony VPL-HW55ES Projector - and can't see the option you refer to....I let Oppo know of the issue, but they were unaware of the need to build a "switch" into the players - pretty rare thing, I guess.

My Lumagen 2020 appears to have this option - but it is not controlling my glasses, and switching it ON doesn't appear to fix it. I only have it on one disc at the moment, Live Die Repeat - Edge of Tomorrow.

So I'll just have to remember to wear the glasses upside down when watching it....
Did you leave the setting on for a while? I know one of my players that has that setting available (I think it's the Zappiti) can take a disconcerting long time to actually switch. Sometimes I have to press pause/play.
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Did you leave the setting on for a while? I know one of my players that has that setting available (I think it's the Zappiti) can take a disconcerting long time to actually switch. Sometimes I have to press pause/play.
+1... ya, not to mention, on my old Mede8er, I literally would have to bring up the menu, select the eye view switch option, and upon selecting it, nothing would happen... it was only after selecting it a second time (or possibly some combo of pause/play) would the 3D view swap and snap into proper sequence.
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New additions to the MakeMKV family. WH16NS60 rom ver. 1.00 (currently shipping with unsupported 1.01).
The slim drive is the BU40N also rom ver. 1.00 (ship with 1.02 no good).

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I mean "expanded" as in 16:9 vs 21:9. Not all films that opened up to 16:9 in theaters do so on disc format (Avengers: Infinity War being the most note-worthy mention, as the entire thing was filmed in IMAX format but was cut down to 21:9 for the home video release.) My assumption has been that these "IMAX Enhanced" versions will do so though.
I hope you're right, I also prefer when movies on blu-ray are displayed in their original theater aspect ratios. Something tells me that won't be a guarantee though even with the IMAX Enhanced sticker, but we'll see.
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I mean "expanded" as in 16:9 vs 21:9. Not all films that opened up to 16:9 in theaters do so on disc format (Avengers: Infinity War being the most note-worthy mention, as the entire thing was filmed in IMAX format but was cut down to 21:9 for the home video release.) My assumption has been that these "IMAX Enhanced" versions will do so though.
The ones I watched were in the 16:9 aspect ratio.

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Does anyone in this group own, or rent, a Zappati 4K HDR player?

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Does anyone in this group own, or rent, a Zappati 4K HDR player?


I believe there is a thread for that player in the NetWork Media Tank section.
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Yes there is, but this is directly related to ripping 4K UHD discs with makeMKV, hence me asking here.

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Yes there is, but this is directly related to ripping 4K UHD discs with makeMKV, hence me asking here.


You may want to ask the question, it could be that owners of different devices have gone through a similar situation (it could be unrelated to the device).
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You're right, OK, does anyone own a Zappiti 4K box and use it to play 4K UHD blu ray rips in the BDMV folder format? You know, that thing only the Oppo seems to be able to do and no other piece of software or hardware in the universe. Thank you.

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You're right, OK, does anyone own a Zappiti 4K box and use it to play 4K UHD blu ray rips in the BDMV folder format? You know, that thing only the Oppo seems to be able to do and no other piece of software or hardware in the universe. Thank you.
You've just reminded me that I really must get around to testing the 4K media file playback capabilities of my VU+ UNO 4K SE satellite box.

Which further reminds me that back in the olden' days when I used to test Zensonic, Ziova and Xtreamer network media players, they were all able to play 2K Blu-ray disc.iso file back-ups and BDMV folder back-ups via SMB just fine.
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You're right, OK, does anyone own a Zappiti 4K box and use it to play 4K UHD blu ray rips in the BDMV folder format? You know, that thing only the Oppo seems to be able to do and no other piece of software or hardware in the universe. Thank you.


Other players can play back in the folder format the only thing that separates the Oppo is the DV capability via Folder playback. I’ve played folder rips for testing purposes via Infuse on my ATV4K, but it only gives me HDR10 not DV. Are you asking about DV playback via Zappiti?
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You're right, OK, does anyone own a Zappiti 4K box and use it to play 4K UHD blu ray rips in the BDMV folder format? You know, that thing only the Oppo seems to be able to do and no other piece of software or hardware in the universe. Thank you.
@giomania spreadsheet is a handy resource for comparing.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/39-ne...l#post56261844
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For 4K rips, consider Zidoo X or Z series. Terrific performance. nVidia Shield TV as well. Or, on the cheap, an AMLogic S912 box running CoreELEC.
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