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You could try updating your LAV filters if you are on PC as well, I am going to try later tonight. This was in the patch notes for a release a week or so ago.

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Fixed: Further improvements to TrueHD Bitstreaming, resolving glitching on more new titles (particularly seamless branching titles)
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I am absolutely loving Infuse for folder playback. Don't really miss Dolby Vision that much. I'm not sure if Atmos is getting through or not the only thing I have to Atmos on is an ST-5000 sound bar in the living room and I usually chill back in my room/office. Still have no idea if I'm doing the AVCHD folder thing correctly, I've just stopped creating them and more and more metadata is being downloaded every day.
I sure do like having almost all of my rips organized and almost all of my discs ripped.
I keep going back an forth about selling the Oppo, would be a total cash grab if I did.
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Alex, I've read that the audio on Infuse is exactly the same as the disc on a rip except that it's PCM instead of bitstream so it should sound exactly the same on an Atmos title. I like Infuse a lot better than Plex because Plex seems to be so inconsistent from device to device and the UI is not as good as Infuse as well. I would keep the Oppo as it's the best HD and UHD player I've ever owned. Unless you're going to get rid of all your discs and just use digital copies, the Oppo is still the best.
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I am absolutely loving Infuse for folder playback. Don't really miss Dolby Vision that much. I'm not sure if Atmos is getting through or not the only thing I have to Atmos on is an ST-5000 sound bar in the living room and I usually chill back in my room/office. Still have no idea if I'm doing the AVCHD folder thing correctly, I've just stopped creating them and more and more metadata is being downloaded every day.
I sure do like having almost all of my rips organized and almost all of my discs ripped.
I keep going back an forth about selling the Oppo, would be a total cash grab if I did.
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What makes you think you're not doing it right? Does it not work as it should? And I'm not sure what you mean by "more and more metadata is being downloaded every day" either.
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Have you guys tried watching any of the digital copies which are available with at least some of the UHD BD releases?

Not good enough PQ or SQ that you will go to the trouble to rip the discs? Or too many restrictions on when and how you can play those copies?
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Have you guys tried watching any of the digital copies which are available with at least some of the UHD BD releases?

Not good enough PQ or SQ that you will go to the trouble to rip the discs? Or too many restrictions on when and how you can play those copies?
No way, regardless of how good they are for me they are just a novelty, I have used emby for years and as much as I can I want everything in that location. Plus I like having control over my media. But if you like them there are places you can just buy the codes on the cheap.
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Have you guys tried watching any of the digital copies which are available with at least some of the UHD BD releases?



Not good enough PQ or SQ that you will go to the trouble to rip the discs? Or too many restrictions on when and how you can play those copies?


I still rip discs, but like digital for the DV availability. While the digital copies are getting very close, the disc and full rips edge digital out slightly. For the masses I think 4K digital will probably be “good enough” if they have a decent enough internet connection and no real cap. I use my ATV4K for all digital content.
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I still rip discs, but like digital for the DV availability. While the digital copies are getting very close, the disc and full rips edge digital out slightly. For the masses I think 4K digital will probably be “good enough” if they have a decent enough internet connection and no real cap. I use my ATV4K for all digital content.
Do you stream the digital copies or can you download them?

What are their file sizes like?
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Do you stream the digital copies or can you download them?



What are their file sizes like?


Of you’re referring to the digital copies you redeem and can play on services like ITunes and Vudu there is no downloading the 4K HDR versions.

For rips of discs is can vary from ~60GB to 80GB+.
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Yeah thats what I meant. If they have Dolby Vision while it's hard to rip the HDR metadata, seems like you'd have no options if you want to view a non-disc version of a movie?

For example, I see the UHD BD release of the Incredibles 2 only has DV for the digital copy, not the disc itself, which is only graded in HDR10:

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Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment brings Incredibles 2 to 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray as a three-disc combo pack with a flyer for a Disney Digital Copy, dubbed "Ultimate Collector's Edition." When redeeming said code via RedeemDigitalMovie.com or Movies Anywhere, owners have access to the 4K UHD digital version in Dolby Vision HDR with Dolby Atmos.

https://ultrahd.highdefdigest.com/60...ahdbluray.html

Guess they want to alienate disc collectors even more.

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Yeah thats what I meant. If they have Dolby Vision while it's hard to rip the HDR metadata, seems like you'd have no options if you want to view a non-disc version of a movie?



For example, I see the UHD BD release of the Incredibles 2 only has DV for the digital copy, not the disc itself, which is only graded in HDR10:









https://ultrahd.highdefdigest.com/60...ahdbluray.html



Guess they want to alienate disc collectors even more.


I’m not sure why you think you wouldn’t have an option. If I want to stream one of my digital copies I just use ITunes, Vudu or the MoviesAnywhere app on my ATV4K. Both the Vudu and ITunes apps support DV as well.

Right now (for me) the ATV4K is a one stop shop for all digital content (local and streamed). If I want lossless audio I just pop in a disc. The convenience of having everything in “one place” is a major bonus and no other player really fits that outside of the ATV4K(for me).
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Is there anything better than lossy audio yet on the digital versions?
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Is there anything better than lossy audio yet on the digital versions?


No, and I don’t expect there to be anytime soon as there is no real demand for it outside of the enthusiast market.
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No, and I don’t expect there to be anytime soon as there is no real demand for it outside of the enthusiast market.
Well its weird that they are adding HDR and DV but keeping the old audio. I guess some of these services are supporting Atmos?(lossy version).
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Well its weird that they are adding HDR and DV but keeping the old audio. I guess some of these services are supporting Atmos?(lossy version).


It really people can SEE the difference much life easily and it also ties into selling new TVs. Audio wise people would need a decent setup and most people don’t have that. We often get skewed thinking by being enthusiasts, but the gen pop don’t care that much about audio. You are correct the Atmos offered by a streaming services is the lossy DD+ variant.
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Plus lossless audio results in large rips don't they?

So the bitrate probably has to be higher.
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It really people can SEE the difference much life easily and it also ties into selling new TVs. Audio wise people would need a decent setup and most people don’t have that. We often get skewed thinking by being enthusiasts, but the gen pop don’t care that much about audio. You are correct the Atmos offered by a streaming services is the lossy DD+ variant.
I agree I was thinking that as I posted. For the common person a "big" audio upgrade is a sound bar.
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Plus lossless audio results in large rips don't they?

So the bitrate probably has to be higher.
For sure any time the quality goes up the size goes up. But 4k w/HDR and Dolby Digital 5.1 is kind of weak.
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Seems to me that the advanced surround sound codecs are more for big-budget films, especially action films with special effects and big action sequences -- explosions, bullets being sprayed, etc.

I don't watch enough of that kind of content so I probably don't know what I'm missing by not having Atmos setup.
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Seems to me that the advanced surround sound codecs are more for big-budget films, especially action films with special effects and big action sequences -- explosions, bullets being sprayed, etc.

I don't watch enough of that kind of content so I probably don't know what I'm missing by not having Atmos setup.
Yeah for sure. Honestly idk if I can even tell the difference between DTS and DTS-HD. But this is AVS, so I want the best!
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Newbie here. Is there any one Blu Ray drive that's fastest for using MakeMKV to rip files? I'll be starting with 1080, then eventually 4K. I want maximum video and audio quality, most lossless audio possible.



Once I have the MKV files, can I view them directly on my 4K Sony, without using my Mac? Can i put the files on a key and plug them into an apple 4K TV or my Yamaha AVR and have functionality with a remote? FF/REW etc. e.g. through Plex or infuse on the Apple TV? Or will I have to stream them using wi fi or ethernet? Ideally I'd like to not turn my mac on to watch them. Thanks!
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....Once I have the MKV files, can I view them directly on my 4K Sony, without using my Mac? Can i put the files on a key and plug them into an apple 4K TV or my Yamaha AVR and have functionality with a remote? FF/REW etc. e.g. through Plex or infuse on the Apple TV? Or will I have to stream them using wi fi or ethernet? Ideally I'd like to not turn my mac on to watch them. Thanks!
Like most (if not all) 'smart' televisions your Sony 4K TV should offer a video player which is capable of playing media files from USB connected hard disk/pen drives. And from network connected storage devices.

And your smart TV should also be capable of sending audio via HDMI ARC or SPDIF to an (surround sound) AVR.


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Like most (if not all) 'smart' televisions your Sony 4K TV should offer a video player which is capable of playing media files from USB connected hard disk/pen drives. And from network connected storage devices.

And your smart TV should also be capable of sending audio via HDMI ARC or SPDIF to an (surround sound) AVR.


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Thanks, I think I've heard the TV can play the video files BUT then I'd be limited to lossy DD 5.1 through the SPDIF- NOT even DD+, let alone lossless- so I need an external streaming solution. I can use my MAc I think but it's not always on- I wonder If I can plug a HD with MKV files into my Yamaha AVR?
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Newbie here. Is there any one Blu Ray drive that's fastest for using MakeMKV to rip files? I'll be starting with 1080, then eventually 4K. I want maximum video and audio quality, most lossless audio possible.



Once I have the MKV files, can I view them directly on my 4K Sony, without using my Mac? Can i put the files on a key and plug them into an apple 4K TV or my Yamaha AVR and have functionality with a remote? FF/REW etc. e.g. through Plex or infuse on the Apple TV? Or will I have to stream them using wi fi or ethernet? Ideally I'd like to not turn my mac on to watch them. Thanks!
If you have an apple TV then it should play files locally from a flash drive or hard drive.

But the easiest way is to have them on the Mac. Just turn it in when you watch TV.
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Thanks, I think I've heard the TV can play the video files BUT then I'd be limited to lossy DD 5.1 through the SPDIF- NOT even DD+, let alone lossless- so I need an external streaming solution. I can use my MAc I think but it's not always on- I wonder If I can plug a HD with MKV files into my Yamaha AVR?
Then... As @whiteboy714 has already mentioned, you can use your Apple 4K TV.

You'll have to check your AVR's user manual to see if it supports playback of 4K media files (but I suspect it does not). Failing this, if you buy a 4K UHD disc spinning player, all these devices offer playback of media files via USB connected hard disk/pen drives and from network connected storage devices (with varying audio and container format type support). They also all offer two HDMI outputs, one of which offers audio only.


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If you have an apple TV then it should play files locally from a flash drive or hard drive.

But the easiest way is to have them on the Mac. Just turn it in when you watch TV.

How do I play files with the ATV on a HD locally? There's no USB port on the ATV?
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How do I play files with the ATV on a HD locally? There's no USB port on the ATV?
It has to be over your local network, the ATV4K does not have the capability to play files from attached storage such as USB drives or HDDs.
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Yeah both the Apple TV and the drive containing the files have to be connected to the same router you're using at home.

You obviously can't connect a standard HD to the router so you have to run some kind of media server software such as Plex.

And the computer running Plex could have the HD connected to it and that computer has to be connected to the same router and home network as the Apple TV.
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Yeah both the Apple TV and the drive containing the files have to be connected to the same router you're using at home.

You obviously can't connect a standard HD to the router so you have to run some kind of media server software such as Plex.

And the computer running Plex could have the HD connected to it and that computer has to be connected to the same router and home network as the Apple TV.
The ATV4K can access content on simple network shares by using an app called Infuse, there's no real need for something like Plex unless you're already using it for other applications/devices.
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The ATV4K can access content on simple network shares by using an app called Infuse, there's no real need for something like Plex unless you're already using it for other applications/devices.
True but Plex is free whereas you have to pay for Infuse if you want access to AC3 or better surround sound formats.

In any event Network shares of directories on computers or NAS is messy. You are literally going up and down directory trees through the UI if I'm not mistaken.

But in Plex, it's been catalogued into TV or movies, with each TV show organized by seasons, all with episode descriptions and other metadata. You don't get that from traversing network shares.
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Oh jeez I'm sorry. Assumed the thing had a USB port. Should have known better with apple.
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