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Just curious - what software are you using in combination with AnyDVD to produce a MKV file when ripping 4K UHD-BDs? I've been using MakeMKV to rip my UHD-BDs but would like to know what the alternatives are (I've been using AnyDVD for years for ripping my HD BD collection)
MKVToolnix. Great program. It will not do the decrypting though, so you'll need to use AnyDVD for that step.
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Anyone else having an issue with makemkv opening How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World?
I got the UHD version from Best Buy on the day it released. It initially wouldn't open, but all I did was upgrade MakeMKV to the latest version and it went without a hitch. TIFWIW.
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Has any of you tried ripping Dolby Vision disc to create a mp4?
(It has to be .mp4 as .mkv does not support dual layer)

CloneBD 1.2.5.0 started supporting Dolby Vision. (I heard the latest DVDFab started supporting DV, too).
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But then you lose the lossless audio. You have to convert it to lossy audio for this. Which would be a hard pass for me.
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Indeed. AC3 is limitation. But some would take DV over lossless audio.
I wonder if salvation arrives in the form of HDR10+...
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I wonder if salvation arrives in the form of HDR10+...

Why? It’s got less traction and hardware support than DV


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Has any of you tried ripping Dolby Vision disc to create a mp4?
(It has to be .mp4 as .mkv does not support dual layer)
Yep... I have done this with 2001 and Forrest Gump.

However, although both my LG TV and OPPO are able to detect the Dolby Vision flag without any problems, I did experience some stability issues when playing these huge MP4 contained files via either a USB connected HDD or NAS.

For example, my LG televisions media player either locks-up or re-boots itself (complaining about being out of memory). And when playing the same files using the OPPO, after a while the player becomes unresponsive to IR commands and requires a power-cycle.

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Why? It’s got less traction and hardware support than DV


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Per the reasons described in the posts I quoted, combined with the hope that MakeMKV would be able to pull HDR10+ video and lossless audio out of the same UHD rip...
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Per the reasons described in the posts I quoted, combined with the hope that MakeMKV would be able to pull HDR10+ video and lossless audio out of the same UHD rip...
In my tests I can confirm that the HDR10+ flag is maintained within MKV contained files...

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Yep... I have done this with 2001 and Forrest Gump.



However, although both my LG TV and OPPO are able to detect the Dolby Vision flag without any problems, I did experience some stability issues when playing these huge MP4 contained files via either a USB connected HDD or NAS.



For example, my LG televisions media player either locks-up or re-boots itself (complaining about being out of memory). And when playing the same files using the OPPO, after a while the player becomes unresponsive to IR commands and requires a power-cycle.



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Wow, what a coincidence! 2001: A Space Odyssey is the very first title I made into a Dolby Vision mp4 and watched last night on LG OLED C9 (DLNA from Synology 918+ NAS).
Played great. No issues during the entire movie playthrough.
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I wonder if salvation arrives in the form of HDR10+...

I thought HDR10+ already worked in mkv container.
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Wow, what a coincidence! 2001: A Space Odyssey is the very first title I made into a Dolby Vision mp4 and watched last night on LG OLED C9 (DLNA from Synology 918+ NAS).
Played great. No issues during the entire movie playthrough.
Just-so everybody knows I used Grencola's 'dv-mp4-maker.exe v2.0' to create the 'Dolby Vision.mp4' files...
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Just-so everybody knows I used Grencola's 'dv-mp4-maker.exe v2.0' to create the 'Dolby Vision.mp4' files...
Is there any estimate as to when/if files with DV and lossless audio will be able to be created?
For me, without the lossless Atmos and DTS:X, it is a completely different audio presentation.
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Is there any estimate as to when files with DV and lossless audio will be able to be created?
For me, without the lossless Atmos and DTS:X, it is a completely different audio presentation.
With regard to creating compliant Dolby Vision .MKV muxes along with it's meta-data, it's "sort-of" possible to get the Dolby Vision meta-data into the container (needs more tweaks). But when it comes to playing such muxes it would seem that a new MKV file parser will need to be coded in order for existing hardware video decoders to understand what to do with the Dolby Vision meta-data. Such are the issues with open-standard containers.

And with regard to creating Dolby Vision .M2TS muxes along with it's meta-data, this will require an entirely new .M2TS muxer to be coded, as all current 'freeware' .M2TS muxing software's (especially those that rely on TSmuxer), don't understand the HEVC video stream format. See here: https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.p...28#post1868528


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Anyone else having an issue with makemkv opening How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World?
I just tried it. MakeMKV had no issues creating the UHD MKV from the UHD BD ISO of How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World
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Just-so everybody knows I used Grencola's 'dv-mp4-maker.exe v2.0' to create the 'Dolby Vision.mp4' files...
I used CloneBD. :-)
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Is there any way to make sure the firmware of whatever drive i buy listed on the first page will be the firmware I need for this? Im wanting to watch the 4k BR movies via my htpc but it looks like I cant do that unless I rebuild to very specific specs :/ so i gotta rip them to use them.
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Is there any way to make sure the firmware of whatever drive i buy listed on the first page will be the firmware I need for this? Im wanting to watch the 4k BR movies via my htpc but it looks like I cant do that unless I rebuild to very specific specs :/ so i gotta rip them to use them.
You just want a drive thats flashable. Honestly it takes under 5 minutes to flash, just have to hook it up via sata and run a small program. It was pretty painless.
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You just want a drive thats flashable. Honestly it takes under 5 minutes to flash, just have to hook it up via sata and run a small program. It was pretty painless.
Are any of them on the front page easier to flash than others? If so I'll grab that if not I'll see whats cheapest
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Are any of them on the front page easier to flash than others? If so I'll grab that if not I'll see whats cheapest
This is the one that I got and it was simple and has worked well.
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Does anyone know if you create an ISO file from a mkv that was ripped from an UHD will that retain all the info that would have originally been in an ISO if you ripped the UHD disc to ISO instead?
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Does anyone know if you create an ISO file from a mkv that was ripped from an UHD will that retain all the info that would have originally been in an ISO if you ripped the UHD disc to ISO instead?
No it will not. SInce the MKV will be just the movie. And the other parts of the Disc won't be there.
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what are you guys using to play media? my Shield decided it didn't want to play 4k rips nicely last weekend so I'm in the market to replace it.
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I use Plex on the Shield and it works perfectly.
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what are you guys using to play media? my Shield decided it didn't want to play 4k rips nicely last weekend so I'm in the market to replace it.
An OPPO UDP-203...

That being said, most if not all 4K smart TV's offer built-in media players that can play MKV and MP4 files (containing ASP, AVC, HEVC video with many audio formats). Although their 'feature-sets' may differ quite considerably.
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what are you guys using to play media? my Shield decided it didn't want to play 4k rips nicely last weekend so I'm in the market to replace it.
This is exactly what made me return the Shield within the return period and fortify my old 2011 built PC into an HTPC. Most people on this thread have better parts than I have in mine... it has an ancient i7-950 and a 1GB SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 5770 for goodness sakes! I have successfully used MPC-HC and MPC-BE on my 4K rips with no signs of stuttering or freezing.
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I use Plex on the Shield and it works perfectly.
Zidoo Z9S and Apple TV 4K with Infuse Pro. Apple TV is good at HDR-SDR tone mapping but has sub-par audio output. Zidoo works great with my 4K TV but horrible feeding my 1080p projector; audio is not an issue with zidoo as it passes through Hi-res audio streams.
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Zidoo Z9S and Apple TV 4K with Infuse Pro. Apple TV is good at HDR-SDR tone mapping but has sub-par audio output. Zidoo works great with my 4K TV but horrible feeding my 1080p projector; audio is not an issue with zidoo as it passes through Hi-res audio streams.


Doesn’t ATV4K and Infuse pass lossless pcm? There should be no sound degradation with that setup.
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Doesn’t ATV4K and Infuse pass lossless pcm? There should be no sound degradation with that setup.


Well I expected the same. But having checked in the exact same setup I can confirm they are not the same. I’m not just talking about the sound levels; the sound quality is substantially inferior via Infuse/ Apple TV.


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No it will not. SInce the MKV will be just the movie. And the other parts of the Disc won't be there.
I rip to an ISO first and create an MKV of the main movie from the ISO. Then I keep the UHD BD ISO on one unRAID and I keep the UHD MKV of the main movie on another unRAID.
aaron, what if the mkv was a full back up of the original disc? You are way smarter than I when it comes to this stuff..
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Replace the Shield if it's a hardware issue.


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