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Ripping UHD 4k discs with Makemkv: Instructions How-to

Newer Update:

Doesn't look like you need to download the hashed keys file manually anymore. MakeMKV will download the necessary info on its own.

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So this has gotten to be pretty straight-forward. Per the instructions _HERE_ save the referenced text file into the folder in Makemkv that you've designated to be the "data directory" (step 3 below) and, using MakeMKV 1.10.10 or later and a UHD friendly drive, you then can rip a UHD movie, assuming that the hashed key has been uploaded to that file already.

Old, but still useful stuff:

This is actually really straight-forward if you've already been using Makemkv... Also, it looks like Redfox is actively updating their software to include these keys.
Main source: https://www.myce.com/news/aacs-2-0-c...oophole-83221/

Makemkv download (pretty straight-forward to install): http://www.makemkv.com/download/

1)
First off, at the moment, you currently need "4K friendly" drives, not actual AACS 2.0 UHD drives. Here are the ones listed from the article (which seems to be expanding since I first saw it):
  • LG BE16NU50
  • LG WH16NS40
  • LG BH16NS40
  • ASUS BW-12B1ST
  • ASUS BC-12D2HT
  • ASUS BW-16D1HT
  • LG BH16NS55
  • LG WH16NS58
  • ASUS BW-16D1H-U A201
  • LG BU30N
(do not update the firmware on these drives)

2)
So we were using Volume Keys. MakeMKV is now set-up to use hashed keys. In terms of the data directory in the next step, it's the same. However, you'll want to just completely get rid of the volume keys and replace them entirely with the hashed keys: http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php...99194347240305 (If this doesn't work it can be found in the directions at the beginning of this post) This is a file that you will need to periodically update as it is updated. Note that just because a movie is in the list, it does not mean you have the same version of the movie. You'll notice that there are multiple hashed keys for the same movie--there may be more hashed keys that have not yet been uploaded to the file. For example, while I have successfully ripped quite a few 4K movies, I cannot yet rip Baby Driver. There is a method for pulling the info they need to get the hashed key for your particular volume but I have not gotten there yet.

3)
To manually add hashed keys keys to makemkv, you open Makemkv, go to view->preferences, then, ->general and establish a folder for the "makemkv data directory". In that newly established data directory folder, create a (plain) text file and paste those codes and all their info into the text file. Mine is named keys.txt and I made it with notepad. (If that does not work for you, try renaming it to be a .cfg file)

If you wish to remux the Atmos track from a 4K UHD disc with the 3D video file from a 3D blu-ray, the process is the same that we have covered before: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/39-ne...y-quality.html Now I finally have Pacific Rim in 3D and Atmos!!!

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To manually add volume keys to makemkv, you open Makemkv, go to view->preferences, then, ->general and establish a folder for the "makemkv data directory". In that newly established data directory folder, create a text file and paste those codes and all their info into the text file.
Does the text file need to be named in a certain way?

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Does the text file need to be named in a certain way?

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Not that I'm aware of, just make sure that they're plain text files and not rich text files.
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Well, I have the LG LG BH16NS40 with firmware 1.01 installed OOB on my PC since I bought it (it was custom built)... It does not recognize any UHD discs. The txt fle is supposed to be named KEYDB.CFG

I thought I read somewhere that computers must have the Intel CPUS after the Skylake genration for to read UHD discs. If so, that could be my issue. i have an Intel i7-6700 Skylake processor. You need the Intel 8000 series chips (I think they were the Skylake X series)

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Well, I have the LG LG BH16NS40 with firmware 1.01 installed OOB on my PC since I bought it (it was custom built)... It does not recognize any UHD discs. The txt fle is supposed to be named KEYDB.CFG

I thought I read somewhere that computers must have the Intel CPUS after the Skylake genration for to read UHD discs. If so, that could be my issue. i have an Intel i7-6700 Skylake processor. You need the Intel 8000 series chips (I think they were the Skylake X series)
You shouldn't need the right Intel chip to recognize or rip the disk, it worked fine last night ripping my Star Trek UHD disk on my old FX 8350 rig that I am using for a ripper/media streamer. I just got a LG WH16NS40 drive yesterday with FW 1.02 on it.

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Well, I have the LG LG BH16NS40 with firmware 1.01 installed OOB on my PC since I bought it (it was custom built)... It does not recognize any UHD discs. The txt fle is supposed to be named KEYDB.CFG

I thought I read somewhere that computers must have the Intel CPUS after the Skylake genration for to read UHD discs. If so, that could be my issue. i have an Intel i7-6700 Skylake processor. You need the Intel 8000 series chips (I think they were the Skylake X series)
If you downloaded the volume key file (from the zip) referenced in the instructions from Makemkv (https://www.makemkv.com/faq/item/12), that key database and forum posts are seven years old. All I did was create a text file named "keys.txt" and copied the volume keys (and all their info, in one simple copy-n-paste grab) from the files referenced in the OP into it.

I also have an FX-8350 in my ripping rig

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The txt fle is supposed to be named KEYDB.CFG
Everything I read said just make a text file in notepad and put it in the right directory. Well that didn't work for me until I renamed using the .CFG extension. My key file is named exactly KEYDB.CFG and worked on the one disc I have that is on the list.
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Everything I read said just make a text file in notepad and put it in the right directory. Well that didn't work for me until I renamed using the .CFG extension. My key file is named exactly KEYDB.CFG and worked on the one disc I have that is on the list.
Interesting. What OS are you using?
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I'm using Windows 7 and 10.

Make sure you have set the data directory in Makemkv and put the file there.
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I'm using Windows 7 and 10.

Make sure you have set the data directory in Makemkv and put the file there.
Maybe that's where we differ. I put my directory on another drive entirely.
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Something that should've been rather obvious (since we've seen that certain titles have multiple volume keys) is that we may not yet have the volume keys for your particular version/region/etc of the movie: https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.p...21#post1828021
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Additional keys added on pg 24 in the second link, including Blade Runner: The final cut. Keep in mind that titles can have multiple keys. Hopefully with these new ones I can rip Independence Day. The first key wasn't working for me.
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So the other day I saw that the new Ghostbusters was one of the volume keys. "COOL! I can finally mux the Atmos with the 3D! ... wait, why on earth did I sell my 4k copy? Guess I'll just have to buy another one."

Wasn't until I was about to re-mux them that I realized the 4K version is the extended cut and the 3D is the theatrical

... wondering if I can edit down the 4K version.
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Additional keys added on pg 24 in the second link, including Blade Runner: The final cut. Keep in mind that titles can have multiple keys. Hopefully with these new ones I can rip Independence Day. The first key wasn't working for me.
Thanks for the heads up.
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Got Independence Day to rip. No luck on Blade Runner though, even though there are like 3 or 4 keys.
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Well, I have the LG LG BH16NS40 with firmware 1.01 installed OOB on my PC since I bought it (it was custom built)... It does not recognize any UHD discs.
Everyone needs to be aware, there are 2 versions of the 16ns40, there original version will not work at all, only the 2nd version that came out at some part of 2015 and has a SVC code of NS50 will work.
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Everyone needs to be aware, there are 2 versions of the 16ns40, there original version will not work at all, only the 2nd version that came out at some part of 2015 and has a SVC code of NS50 will work.
I now remember reading that the second version was able to read UHD discs which the first could not...

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Everyone needs to be aware, there are 2 versions of the 16ns40, there original version will not work at all, only the 2nd version that came out at some part of 2015 and has a SVC code of NS50 will work.
My 16NS40 was purchased in May 2015 and is on firmware 1.03.

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Anyone w/drives other than 16NS40 w/ripping successes?

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Anyone w/drives other than 16NS40 w/ripping successes?
I just received an LG BE16NU50 from Newegg today and will be trying it out soon.
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Anyone w/drives other than 16NS40 w/ripping successes?
I've used the ASUS BW-16D1HT and the Buffalo BruHD-PU3 successfully.

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Well, I have the LG LG BH16NS40 with firmware 1.01 installed OOB on my PC since I bought it (it was custom built)... It does not recognize any UHD discs. The txt fle is supposed to be named KEYDB.CFG

I thought I read somewhere that computers must have the Intel CPUS after the Skylake genration for to read UHD discs. If so, that could be my issue. i have an Intel i7-6700 Skylake processor. You need the Intel 8000 series chips (I think they were the Skylake X series)
Can anyone else confirm the statements about the i7-6700 skylake processors? I have that CPU in both my desktop (server) and laptop...
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You need the CPUs AFTER Skylake (i.e. KABY LAKE) in order to PLAYBACK UHD discs.

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Can anyone else confirm the statements about the i7-6700 skylake processors? I have that CPU in both my desktop (server) and laptop...
Not needed to rip your discs.
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Thanks @robnix , I'll look into both of those drives. And, look forward to your results w/LG BE16NU50 @brbeck .

Edit: Ordered ASUS BW-16D1HT to try from newegg; there's a rebate for it presently, making it about $60 shipped w/tax + shipping.

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Success using the BE16NU50 to rip both ID4 and Star Trek (2009) using MakeMKV.

I have found, though, that I need to begin outputting to MKV before the drive comes to rest after spinning the disc. If I wait too long, the drive appears to "forget" how to access the contents. It reports bad sectors and gets stuck in an endless loop of futility until I cancel the operation.

It's likely a firmware (rev. 1.01) issue that has since been resolved, but I don't dare update the drive at this point.

For an external drive (used with a laptop), the BE16NU50 is quite large, much larger than the six-year-old Samsung SE-506 that has ripped countless BDs from my library for easy access on my NAS. But it is quieter and significantly faster (USB 3.0) than the Samsung. I'm pleased with my purchase so far.
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Re: firmware, Windows 10 doesn't automatically update it for an optical drive right?

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how big is a typical rip??

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how big is a typical rip??
I ripped so far ( Star Trek, Star Trek into Darkness, The Martian, and Blade Runner ) most are 53 - 56G, The Martian was only 45G.
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I ripped so far ( Star Trek, Star Trek into Darkness, The Martian, and Blade Runner ) most are 53 - 56G, The Martian was only 45G.
Most of mine are are around 45-55. LaLaLand is over 70.

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