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I don't use the TV App. Its like an app on top of an app.
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I don't use the TV App. Its like an app on top of an app.
So what if you want to continue watching something?
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I don't use the TV App. Its like an app on top of an app.


The issue is though that it isn’t. It seems to use its own version of the media player and has a different interface. It also exhibits flashing on iTunes Dolby vision content which isn’t present when using the movies app.


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The issue is though that it isn’t. It seems to use its own version of the media player and has a different interface. It also exhibits flashing on iTunes Dolby vision content which isn’t present when using the movies app.


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Hi Andrew,

Some one mentioned that if you remove the Movie from Watch next list in the TV APP and then play it again in the TV APP after first closing the APP - then it should be ok. I am not sure.

I have been watching directly via iTunes App instead which has not shown flashing on Movies so far [tried on 3 Movies including Matrix/DOLBYVISION which previously has major flashing].

It is a real headache to continue watching something as you have to find the Movie in iTunes again.
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I don't use the TV App. Its like an app on top of an app.


The current release is. The current beta is not
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"So what if you want to continue watching something?"

I use the actual app? Not sure what you're asking.

Vudu, ESPN, Amazon Prime, Britbox, iTUNES, etc. I watch in the actual app, not the TV App that is an app sitting on top of all those other apps. If I need to resume, I do so in the original app.

"The current release is. The current beta is not"

Sorry but it has to be. It maybe more intergrated but it will always be an app that points to other sources for substance. Its not a provider of material, its a manager of material. It integrates different sources/apps into one interface is all. Which means it will always be an app on top of other apps.

Could very well be easier to use and worth using mind you. Its just that it is not and will never be stand alone app.
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Important Note for Thrill Seekers: If you’re interested in living on the edge and trying out the great new features in iOS 13, we strongly advise waiting for the many bug fixes and refinements coming to the public beta next month.
I expect the first public beta of tvOS 13 to be later than recent tvOS 12 betas have been.

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"So what if you want to continue watching something?"

I use the actual app? Not sure what you're asking.

Vudu, ESPN, Amazon Prime, Britbox, iTUNES, etc. I watch in the actual app, not the TV App that is an app sitting on top of all those other apps. If I need to resume, I do so in the original app.

"The current release is. The current beta is not"

Sorry but it has to be. It maybe more intergrated but it will always be an app that points to other sources for substance. Its not a provider of material, its a manager of material. It integrates different sources/apps into one interface is all. Which means it will always be an app on top of other apps.

Could very well be easier to use and worth using mind you. Its just that it is not and will never be stand alone app.
How do you continue watching an iTunes Movie after you have closed the iTunes App? I found it awkward as have to find the Movie amongst a large library and the Categories are not very logical or easy to follow.
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I expect the first public beta of tvOS 13 to be later than recent tvOS 12 betas have been.


I think you’re right, July at the earliest. BTW, they apparently changed the command used to turn on the ATV4K from sleep/off mode. The Siri remote still works (either Menu or TV app button) but the iOS 12.3.1 Remote app widget doesn’t work anymore and the Harmony Hub Menu, TV App or Home won’t turn it on either. There are work arounds but the widget in iOS 13 beta does work.


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"So what if you want to continue watching something?"



I use the actual app? Not sure what you're asking.



Vudu, ESPN, Amazon Prime, Britbox, iTUNES, etc. I watch in the actual app, not the TV App that is an app sitting on top of all those other apps. If I need to resume, I do so in the original app.



"The current release is. The current beta is not"



Sorry but it has to be. It maybe more intergrated but it will always be an app that points to other sources for substance. Its not a provider of material, its a manager of material. It integrates different sources/apps into one interface is all. Which means it will always be an app on top of other apps.



Could very well be easier to use and worth using mind you. Its just that it is not and will never be stand alone app.


It seems to use it’s on video player rather than launching via the movies app.


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I expect the first public beta of tvOS 13 to be later than recent tvOS 12 betas have been.
As Tom Petty would say "the waiting is the hardest part." I run beta versions of TVOS, WatchOS, IOS, and MacOS as if they were ready to use so it's good of the developers to do the initial testing so that the beta testing is a better experience.

I don't want to wait till September but July is soon enough.

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"It seems to use it’s on video player rather than launching via the movies app. "

Could be. Still not the provider of all video material beyond the dying iTUNES. At some point it will point to some other provider's material. Just like it does now. When it does, its an app on top of an app. Are they going to integrate it so there's no iTUNES and TV App? Looks like it. When playing Apple owned content will it be an app on top of an app. No. For every video provider? At some point is has to go outside itself and when it does, its an app on top of an app.

Which is fine of course. If people want to use it that way that's their business not mine. Me I prefer to use the initial app and avoid all the app on top of app potential issues.
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I don't want to wait till September but July is soon enough.
13 beta 17J5485s is clearly a beta release. I hope there are enough folks looking at UX issues (given the distracting framework changes) otherwise 13 beta public-1 is going to be a bit too thrilling.
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13 beta 17J5485s is clearly a beta release. I hope there are enough folks looking at UX issues (given the distracting framework changes) otherwise 13 beta public-1 is going to be a bit too thrilling.


So far, I’m having fewer issues with 13 dev beta 1 than I did with 12 dev beta 1. If by framework changes you are referring to the new Swift framework I don’t know what’s under the covers but it’s definitely snappier.


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So far, I’m having fewer issues with 13 dev beta 1 than I did with 12 dev beta 1
In general a major release requires developer attention to take advantage of new features. A dev might not notice that the new sleep slide over changes behavior with use or that the (iOS 12) Remote app menu button doesn't (currently) wake from sleep while the "Home" button is hyper-sensitive to the point of seeming anticipatory.

In any case I'll try and find the time to report as many issues as possible.
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what about a proper 24Hz support in the tvOS 13? Has Apple finally fixed it?
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It seems like the latest beta fixed the issue where you can now see video information screen with the down arrow (or swipe) like you used to be able to do before 12.3.

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what about a proper 24Hz support in the tvOS 13? Has Apple finally fixed it?
Is this the issue when playing iTunes movies from the TV APP? Resulted in flashing during dark scenes.
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Is this the issue when playing iTunes movies from the TV APP? Resulted in flashing during dark scenes.

No, it's the failure to include pure 24.000 fps playback output from the device.


The only 24-ish output that it currently supports is 23.976 fps.


If you play pure 24 fps content, it outputs it at 23.976, and you get a noticeable frame skipped every 41 seconds. Very annoying.


Every other device out there supports both 23.976 and 24.000, but only the Apple TV is crippled with just 23.976.


Many Made-For-Netflix TV movies are pure 24.000 fps. So are many European cinema transfers, where they don't have to deal with drop frame legacy NTSC issues. Most other episodic content is 23.976.

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No, it's the failure to include pure 24.000 fps playback output from the device.


The only 24-ish output that it currently supports is 23.976 fps.


If you play pure 24 fps content, it outputs it at 23.976, and you get a noticeable frame skipped every 41 seconds. Very annoying.


Every other device out there supports both 23.976 and 24.000, but only the Apple TV is crippled with just 23.976.


Many Made-For-Netflix TV movies are pure 24.000 fps. So are many European cinema transfers, where they don't have to deal with drop frame legacy NTSC issues. Most other episodic content is 23.976.


I’ve never noticed any frame skips. Maybe all of my content is 23.976? Anyway, not an issue for me.


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Is this the issue when playing iTunes movies from the TV APP? Resulted in flashing during dark scenes.
What are your settings? Mine is to 4K SDR 60, Matching ON for both, and no flickering/flashing.

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What are your settings? Mine is to 4K SDR 60, Matching ON for both, and no flickering/flashing.
There's a corroborated report of black/near black flashing in very dark content. I don't believe it's universal and it's present in the current commercial release.

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There's a corroborated report of black/near black flashing in very dark content. I don't believe it's universal and it's present in the current commercial release.
For those of us who may want to observe this, can you recommend a movie title that will reveal the flashing issue?
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For those of us who may want to observe this, can you recommend a movie title that will reveal the flashing issue?
It's mentioned with examples in the proper ATV4K thread. Seems like a DV bug for the moment. The TV app has the bug but iTunes movies for example does not.

(My own display is HDR10 and I haven't seen said flashing but I think it has to do with Dolby Vision.)
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It's mentioned with examples in the proper ATV4K thread. Seems like a DV bug for the moment. The TV app has the bug but iTunes movies for example does not.

(My own display is HDR10 and I haven't seen said flashing but I think it has to do with Dolby Vision.)
So this is unlikely to appear when watching movies on Netflix or Amazon Prime?
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So this is unlikely to appear when watching movies on Netflix or Amazon Prime?


Yeah it’s limited to the new tv app. Didn’t happen in the old one.


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No, it's the failure to include pure 24.000 fps playback output from the device.


The only 24-ish output that it currently supports is 23.976 fps.


If you play pure 24 fps content, it outputs it at 23.976, and you get a noticeable frame skipped every 41 seconds. Very annoying.


Every other device out there supports both 23.976 and 24.000, but only the Apple TV is crippled with just 23.976.


Many Made-For-Netflix TV movies are pure 24.000 fps. So are many European cinema transfers, where they don't have to deal with drop frame legacy NTSC issues. Most other episodic content is 23.976.
Damn, I hoped that they would finally add it with tvOS 13
There is more and more content with 24.000 fps.
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Damn, I hoped that they would finally add it with tvOS 13

There is more and more content with 24.000 fps.


I don’t see any skipped frames on mine in any content at all.

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I don’t see any skipped frames on mine in any content at all.
Could you please test the following:

Just go to episode 8 of DARK (Netflix TV show) and watch the first scene when the boy drives on his bicycle. Around the 42second mark is a dropped frame.
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I don't really know (as a projector guy) but I imagine many TVs could hide a dropped frame problem.
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