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Amazon Prime Video to Add Dolby Atmos Soundtracks

Dolby Atmos is one of the most important upgrades to movie sound since 5.1 surround. It allows soundtrack mixers to place sound-emitting objects anywhere in a 3D hemispherical soundfield around the audience, creating a much more immersive experience. Unfortunately, it hasn't been adopted by many streaming services—yet.

Last week, Amazon announced that it will begin releasing content with Dolby Atmos soundtracks on the Amazon Fire TV and Fire TV Cube streamers starting August 31, 2018. The first title to get the Atmos treatment will be the Amazon original series Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan, a spy thriller that will undoubtedly make full use of the overhead audio.

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Funny thing about the Apple TV 4K and *most* of Amazon's original UHD programming in the Prime Video app. It plays back in stereo only for a (strong) majority of the new seasons coming out.
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Curious what bitrate they will end up using, I know right now Amazon is 640kb/s DD+ 5.1, I wonder if they will push the bitrate higher. I know Netflix only does 448kb/s DD+ for their Atmos content (192kb/s for 5.1), so if they stick with 640 they will still be higher but I'd like to see at least 768kb/s but better yet 1-1.5Mb/s.

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A welcome addition. Just seems strange that they're doing this while on the other hand abandoned Dolby Vision to buddy up with Samsung for HDR10+.

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Curious what bitrate they will end up using, I know right now Amazon is 640kb/s DD+ 5.1, I wonder if they will push the bitrate higher. I know Netflix only does 448kb/s DD+ for their Atmos content (192kb/s for 5.1), so if they stick with 640 they will still be higher but I'd like to see at least 768kb/s but better yet 1-1.5Mb/s.
I heard today that's no longer true


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Curious what bitrate they will end up using, I know right now Amazon is 640kb/s DD+ 5.1, I wonder if they will push the bitrate higher. I know Netflix only does 448kb/s DD+ for their Atmos content (192kb/s for 5.1), so if they stick with 640 they will still be higher but I'd like to see at least 768kb/s but better yet 1-1.5Mb/s.
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Previous Bitrates:EAC3 5.1 @ 192K 
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Ooo that would be awesome Netflix has really needed to up their audio game, do you have a source for that? Also are you sure it is 728 and not 768?

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I wonder if this will expand to other devices that can run the Amazon Prime Video App, like the Roku 4 which can support ATMOS or if they are intentionally limiting it to their Fire TV and Cube.

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For anyone who has heard DD+ versus TrueHD, there is simply no comparison no matter what moniker "ATMOS" or otherwise they want to throw around. I say spend the $2 and rent the damn thing if you want immersive audio for movies.
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This is great news for me even though I just have a 5.1 surround sound setup (may plan to do either 5.1.2 or 7.1.2 one day).
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For anyone who has heard DD+ versus TrueHD, there is simply no comparison no matter what moniker "ATMOS" or otherwise they want to throw around. I say spend the $2 and rent the damn thing if you want immersive audio for movies.
Well yeah, this is true for anything streamed verses having a physical when it comes to video and audio but where is the harm in offering it anyways?
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I hate the fact they're splitting platforms up just over audio. In order to get Netflix Atmos you have to have a Xbox, for Prime Atmos an Amazon Fire.

I have an old 2nd Gen fire stick, although I don't think just for Atmos I'm willing to hook it up again.
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Ooo that would be awesome Netflix has really needed to up their audio game, do you have a source for that? Also are you sure it is 728 and not 768?
You'd think so wouldn't you? 768 would make more sense, but just copying pasting what I saw


As for a source, I believe it stems from the "travellers of the seven seas" community, and those are the bitrates now being reported on releases...
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I hate the fact they're splitting platforms up just over audio. In order to get Netflix Atmos you have to have a Xbox, for Prime Atmos an Amazon Fire.

I have an old 2nd Gen fire stick, although I don't think just for Atmos I'm willing to hook it up again.
Atmos also works great on PC. My PC I have Atmos 4k, and HDR with no issues on Netflix.
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so another nail in the 3D sound codec wars .... Atmos is pounding the hammer into Auro-3D and DTS:X

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Last night clicked on A very english scandal on Amazon has Atmos streaming on my samsung 4k bluray uhd 8550. Was people just talking so didnt get a gauge of quality.

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I have an atmos speaker set up with 4 of these guys https://www.elac.com/product/a4-2/?r=us. I have 2 on top of my front R and L channels, on Elac Uni-fi UF5s, and two on my surrounds, the Uni-fi UB5s. These are just a bit further back from the side listening plane as I do not have rear surrounds. This kind of bummed me out because I had two other speakers that I could have used for rear surround, but my receiver, Denon x4400h, only has 9 amps so I don't have power to have the rear surrounds.


My question is, is it better to keep my 4 atmos speakers and no rear surrounds or should I axe one pair of atmos in favor of the rear surrounds? Which is a better setup for movies with Atmos soundtracks? I've never had a 7.1 system, I upgraded just last week from a 5.1 to this 5.1.4. Thanks!
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For anyone who has heard DD+ versus TrueHD, there is simply no comparison no matter what moniker "ATMOS" or otherwise they want to throw around. I say spend the $2 and rent the damn thing if you want immersive audio for movies.
So true.

But unfortunately, those of us who either care about the differences, or have an audio system that can fully resolve them represent a very, very tiny portion of the total viewing/listening population. So at least for the immediate future, if not for ever, either using the shiny disc or a ripped version of it is the only way to get full bandwidth audio and video. I can't see any of the streaming options EVER providing the full bandwidth option. And more importantly, how long before the shiny disc is no longer an option at all?
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I wonder if this will expand to other devices that can run the Amazon Prime Video App, like the Roku 4 which can support ATMOS or if they are intentionally limiting it to their Fire TV and Cube.
No kidding. I use a Roku 4 to stream Amazon Prime video and this would be a nice addition.

Also I wonder when YouTube will upgrade their audio from the current 2 channel.
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So true.

But unfortunately, those of us who either care about the differences, or have an audio system that can fully resolve them represent a very, very tiny portion of the total viewing/listening population. So at least for the immediate future, if not for ever, either using the shiny disc or a ripped version of it is the only way to get full bandwidth audio and video. I can't see any of the streaming options EVER providing the full bandwidth option. And more importantly, how long before the shiny disc is no longer an option at all?
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For anyone who has heard DD+ versus TrueHD, there is simply no comparison no matter what moniker "ATMOS" or otherwise they want to throw around. I say spend the $2 and rent the damn thing if you want immersive audio for movies.
Rent a physical movie? Is that even possible anymore?

In Canada where I am located I can either buy the physical movie or rent from an online streaming service. I have yet to find a streaming service that comes close to matching the video and sound quality of a 4K bluray.
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Rent a physical movie? Is that even possible anymore?
In the US we have Redbox and DVDExpress that rents the movie for $2 a night and they are available in almost every city. Redbox is even now renting UHD 4K titles in select locations. There are also online services that let's you rent. The point of my post was that people (in the US) are too damn lazy to actually rent a disc and instead settle for whatever gets shoveled to them.
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In the US we have Redbox and DVDExpress that rents the movie for $2 a night and they are available in almost every city. Redbox is even now renting UHD 4K titles in select locations. There are also online services that let's you rent. The point of my post was that people (in the US) are too damn lazy to actually rent a disc and instead settle for whatever gets shoveled to them.
We had the Redbox available years ago and it was cheap and easy to get rentals and I do miss that service. I ended up using Redbox after Blockbuster closed down all its stores.

I will agree with you that there are many lazy people but I would also point out that streaming services are just easy and convenient. Most people on this forum are looking for the best video and audio available to them but everyone else which is the vast majority just don't care enough.

I watch all my movies on a 100" screen which is small in comparison to most and I can definitely see difference between the resolution on cable, netflix, and bluray. However if I had a 50-60" TV i would be hard pressed to tell the difference between a bluray or a streaming service.
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Apparently, the Amazon Fire Stick was the largest selling item during the Amazon Prime sale ! So `stick' around for more news.

(4K version still not available in Canada.)
I was one of the people who bought a 4K capable stick that day!

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I have an atmos speaker set up with 4 of these guys https://www.elac.com/product/a4-2/?r=us. I have 2 on top of my front R and L channels, on Elac Uni-fi UF5s, and two on my surrounds, the Uni-fi UB5s. These are just a bit further back from the side listening plane as I do not have rear surrounds. This kind of bummed me out because I had two other speakers that I could have used for rear surround, but my receiver, Denon x4400h, only has 9 amps so I don't have power to have the rear surrounds.


My question is, is it better to keep my 4 atmos speakers and no rear surrounds or should I axe one pair of atmos in favor of the rear surrounds? Which is a better setup for movies with Atmos soundtracks? I've never had a 7.1 system, I upgraded just last week from a 5.1 to this 5.1.4. Thanks!
Just my opinion - I would rather have 5.1.4 then have 7.1.2-
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So I guess the PS3 won't do it?

I have Atmos 7.1.4 but haven't gone 4k yet due to the crazy prices of a 'real' 4k projector. The PS3 is still a great BD player, and it will pass Atmos and DTS:X via bitstream from appropriately encoded discs. Guess not if streaming content.....:-(

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I wouldn't be surprised if these were encoded as those dreaded fixed Atmos print-outs to save space and bandwidth. Disney, especially, does print-outs and puts those on disc and I would bet they were made for their upcoming streaming service and not UHD discs specifically that can handle a fully capable home Atmos track. This could spread to other titles and the studios are apt to do one Atmos encode rather than one with 3D objects for disc and the other a fixed print-out for streaming. They don't care about quality anymore.

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Anything that comes out that isn't actual object oriented audio where you can use as many channels as you want is essentially not Atmos as promised IMO. Dolby is damaging their branding as usual by making things hard as hell to understand for the consumer.

I think a lot of this is deceptive/false advertising at worst and obfuscation at best.

I am upset about the fact that I bought a full atmos processor for the intention of playing back high quality atmos content. As they move to streaming, the audio quality drops and therefore you are stuck with using discs for the high quality output. On top of that, there are movie studios that stamp atmos on the box but then give you limited fixed channel counts (like Wonder Woman and perhaps other movies).

I am glad there is at least something coming out but really I a pay a lot for internet access and bandwidth for which I hope there is less lossy content.

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I wish RedBox had more blu ray titles with Atmos. About half the stuff I rented that should have had Atmos only had AC3 or DTS instead. I had to do some shopping to find the Atmos blu rays (1080p, not UHD), and now I have about 50 in my collection with TrueHD and Atmos.

As noted, physical media is on the way out, and so far the only real replacement I know of (aside from pirating it) is something like Kaleidescape. On a 65" TV with sound bar I don't mind settling for a Netflix or Amazon 4k stream, but in the theater, I want the best I can get.

As for Atmos on Amazon, if they would make a box that can do more than 25mbps and could handle more codecs, I would use it. Unfortunately, it is really only good for Amazon Video, OK with other streaming services, and pretty bad at streaming local media off a hard drive. What good is 4K and pass through audio if you can't stream more than 25mbps even over the local network??

I will just have to live with what I can do with a Shield for a while... And I might even have to turn that in for *gasp* an Apple product after they get Atmos... I absolutely hate that idea, but it may turn into the best option for an all in one media box...
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