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And even stranger is your continuous repetition of this mantra.

It seems to have become a kind of Gregorian Chant for you triggered by the word "Zidoo" at which point you seamlessly branch to your mantra ...
All Zidoo have to do is fix those issues, then it will stop.
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Matching markswift and his moaning on about stutter.


Which is a documented mater of fact and he graciously tested a number of units using the Realtek 1295/1296 SoC's that exhibits the flaw and shared the results in an easy to read formant.

Sorry, I don't understand the hate. None of them are perfect. Especially considering the irony of fact that Zidoo is the manufacturer of the DuneHD 4K Pro.
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Have to admit, I find him thoroughly entertaining!
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Have to admit, I find him thoroughly entertaining!
Accurate would be a better description.
Your posts sometimes drift off into Z9s Nirvana e.g. to quote ”frame perfect 4K movie rendition”.

I try to maintain a balance.

It’s interesting that you can be as accurate as possible when it comes to reporting the stutter issue, but blinkered about the basic functionality failings of this player.
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Outstanding Issues - Z10

Remaining (Z10):

- Seamless branching (BDMV and ISO)
- Forced subs (BDMV and ISO)
- Blu-Ray menu playback (BDMV and ISO) (bugfixes and improvements)

Anything else?
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Remaining (Z10):

- Seamless branching (BDMV and ISO)
- Forced subs (BDMV and ISO)
- Blu-Ray menu playback (BDMV and ISO) (bugfixes and improvements)

Anything else?

MaxDML and MinDML are reported as 4000/0.005 nits and MaxCLL, MaxFALL as 0/0 when SDR mapping HDR is set - I would expect static values to be reported when actually mapping SDR to HDR (perhaps not those ones though!), but if the source is native HDR, correct MaxCLL and MaxFALL should pass through to enable a correct gamma to be applied


HDR to SDR still exhibits posterisation since the implementation of gamma settings.


I still maintain that 4K23 12-bit 444 should be reinstated since that can cause confusion to some users for whom 10-bit 444 is problematic.


I believe there is still an issue with <standby> if "deep sleep" is set (this is the default) in that the box will not resume and must be power cycled - I haven't tested recently though.


If "deep sleep" is set to <off>, the box will come out of Standby but the front display then shows "bye" permanently.


All the above have been reported.


In addition, and this would be a big ask given the depth of coding, but improvements could be made to HT2 to allow for full segregation of TV Series and Movies and even allow user definable categories - for example, DVD, 2K & 4K.

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All Zidoo have to do is fix those issues, then it will stop.

It’s interesting that you can be as accurate as possible when it comes to reporting the seamless branching issue, but blinkered about the basic functionality failings of the Dune 4K Pro player when it comes to:

  • Ability to display correct HDR metadata (MaxCLL/MaxFALL) for UHD
  • Accurate frame rate problem in 4K playback resulting in repeated frames
  • Forced subs on MKV files
  • No audio sync capability
  • Poor DVD playback picture quality
  • Aspect ratio display problems with DVD's
  • No chapter skip on DVD ISO's
  • Fast Forward/Rewind functionality on UHD Menu
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It’s interesting that you can be as accurate as possible when it comes to reporting the seamless branching issue, but blinkered about the basic functionality failings of the Dune 4K Pro player when it comes to:

  • Ability to display correct HDR metadata (MaxCLL/MaxFALL) for UHD
  • Accurate frame rate problem in 4K playback resulting in repeated frames
  • Forced subs on MKV files
  • No audio sync capability
  • Poor DVD playback picture quality
  • Aspect ratio display problems with DVD's
  • No chapter skip on DVD ISO's
  • Fast Forward/Rewind functionality on UHD Menu
Check back on this thread, I confirmed that he Z9S has superior DVD performance, so not sure what point you are making with that.

Hopefully Dune will sort out the frame rate issue, although I have to say it hasn’t prevented me watching a movie, whereas Incredibles2 was unwatchable on the Z9s via the menu. Now that’s basic functionality
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Has anyone installed the v2.2.65 beta? It's available directly from Zidoo's site from the links below, not sure how stable it is though.

- ZIDOO Z9S v2.2.65
MD5: 23e6d71e1987992d71a0f6bc85475eb3
- ZIDOO Z10 v2.2.65
MD5: 7c9ea2fb93fb5b0970e0a5715ec8935d
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Check back on this thread, I confirmed that he Z9S has superior DVD performance, so not sure what point you are making with that.

Hopefully Dune will sort out the frame rate issue, although I have to say it hasn’t prevented me watching a movie, whereas Incredibles2 was unwatchable on the Z9s via the menu. Now that’s basic functionality
Just maintaining an accurate balance on what works and what doesn't. Wouldn't want you to get lost and lose your way in 4K Pro Nirvana Land.
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Just maintaining an accurate balance on what works and what doesn't. Wouldn't want you to get lost and lose your way in 4K Pro Nirvana Land.
There’s no danger of doing that, as I mentioned in previous post, you just know the HD/UHD movie will play with forced subs, accurate seamless branching and reliable blu-Ray menu playback

That’s not Nirvana that's Just basic functionality.
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Has anyone installed the v2.2.65 beta? It's available directly from Zidoo's site from the links below, not sure how stable it is though.

- ZIDOO Z9S v2.2.65
MD5: 23e6d71e1987992d71a0f6bc85475eb3
- ZIDOO Z10 v2.2.65
MD5: 7c9ea2fb93fb5b0970e0a5715ec8935d

Quote from Blenky (reliable source)
"Installed and another underwhelming release - unless I'm missing something. Unplayable bluray rips remain the same - still can' get Aliens to open to its menu."
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Has anyone installed the v2.2.65 beta? It's available directly from Zidoo's site from the links below, not sure how stable it is though.

- ZIDOO Z9S v2.2.65
MD5: 23e6d71e1987992d71a0f6bc85475eb3
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MD5: 7c9ea2fb93fb5b0970e0a5715ec8935d

I'm going to give it go tomorrow - there are a couple of fixes to the RS232 commands I reported broken and from the changelog and comments on the Russian forum, it looks like the Standby bug may be fixed.


No reason to think it is any less stable than the last version.


There's also the "Optimize the seamless playback of the meat sauce dish" which is curious - no idea what it means, but it wasn't from a Russian translation, it's the original changelog direct from Zidoo.

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I'm going to give it go tomorrow - there are a couple of fixes to the RS232 commands I reported broken and from the changelog and comments on the Russian forum, it looks like the Standby bug may be fixed.


No reason to think it is any less stable than the last version.


There's also the "Optimize the seamless playback of the meat sauce dish" which is curious - no idea what it means, but it wasn't from a Russian translation, it's the original changelog direct from Zidoo.
Well, there were these instructions from one of the restaurants that I eat at in Beijing...




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"Installed and another underwhelming release - unless I'm missing something. Unplayable bluray rips remain the same - still can' get Aliens to open to its menu."
That was not in relation to 2.2.61 not 2.2.65 - not tried that yet!

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That was not in relation to 2.2.61 not 2.2.65 - not tried that yet!
OK, hopefully 2.2.65 fixes some basic functionality issues.
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OK, hopefully 2.2.65 fixes some basic functionality issues.
downloading now - lets see.

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Well, I have installed the latest beta on my Z9s and watched a 1080p 23,976 movie, during slow panning scenes extreme shutter occured, how to pasue movie for a while after that shutter stopped until next slow panning scene. I think it doesn’t occured on earlier firmware. Please check if you have similar experiences (during slow panning scenes).
My zidoo device is a secondary player right now. To be honest I think there are superior devices in terms of firmware quality....
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Well, I have installed the latest beta on my Z9s and watched a 1080p 23,976 movie, during slow panning scenes extreme shutter occured, how to pasue movie for a while after that shutter stopped until next slow panning scene. I think it doesn’t occured on earlier firmware. Please check if you have similar experiences (during slow panning scenes).

My zidoo device is a secondary player right now. To be honest I think there are superior devices in terms of firmware quality....


Just curious, what was the video codec on that 1080p file?


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Initial testing of new firmware is not great

Seamless branching:

Tried Thor Raknarok UHD to see if any improvement in seamless branching. Seems to be worse! At the first branch at 4m 25s it just froze. I moved it forward to the next at 8m 39s and there was a significant video and audio glitch.

My troublesome bluray of Aliens (with both versions) still does not play.

Not noticing any stutter when viewing 1080p 23.976.

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Just curious, what was the video codec on that 1080p file?

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It’s a AVC, remux in mkv format.
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Initial testing of new firmware is not great

Seamless branching:

Tried Thor Raknarok UHD to see if any improvement in seamless branching. Seems to be worse! At the first branch at 4m 25s it just froze. I moved it forward to the next at 8m 39s and there was a significant video and audio glitch.

My troublesome bluray of Aliens (with both versions) still does not play.

Not noticing any stutter when viewing 1080p 23.976.
That’s disappointing, thanks for the feedback.

Zidoo’s software developers don’t appear to have a grip on the seamless branching issue.
It’s as if the original development team has left and the maintainers don’t have software development skills to fix the issue.
When it comes to HD/UHD blu-Ray movies it remains an MKV player.

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Well, I have installed the latest beta on my Z9s and watched a 1080p 23,976 movie, during slow panning scenes extreme shutter occured, how to pasue movie for a while after that shutter stopped until next slow panning scene. I think it doesn’t occured on earlier firmware. Please check if you have similar experiences (during slow panning scenes).
My zidoo device is a secondary player right now. To be honest I think there are superior devices in terms of firmware quality....

I've never seen any issues with 2K playback whatsoever, but I've just installed v2.2.65 and out of curiosity had a look at the long pan at the start of The Martian BluRay (2K23, BDMV folder format).


The Vertex reports a frame rate of 23.974fps which is absolutely fine and will not result in any repeated frames as expected and subjectively the scene plays flawlessly with no signs of judder as you describe.


What you describe would usually attributable to badly done pulldown (playing at 60Hz for example) or encoding, so I would suspect either TV settings or issues with the source.
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I've never seen any issues with 2K playback whatsoever, but I've just installed v2.2.65 and out of curiosity had a look at the long pan at the start of The Martian BluRay (2K23, BDMV folder format).


The Vertex reports a frame rate of 23.974fps which is absolutely fine and will not result in any repeated frames as expected and subjectively the scene plays flawlessly with no signs of judder as you describe.


What you describe would usually attributable to badly done pulldown (playing at 60Hz for example) or encoding, so I would suspect either TV settings or issues with the source.


These scenes were in movie „Killing of the Sacred Deer”. The is a scene in the begining, a familly supper: the scene is crowed, lots of objects on the screen. Camera moving slowly and then choppy playback occured, have to pause and resume to get rid of it.
Me vero4k is playing this just fine.
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RS232 Play, Pause & Play/Pause

This will affect very few people, but I know from PMs I've received that several people are using RS232.


The new #PLU (discrete play) command does not work entirely as expected, however the logic is clever in an odd way and I think makes for a more elegant experience for those with dedicated rooms looking for a more cinematic experience.


In previous firmware, #PAU (pause) although eliciting an RX response, would not actually pause video, so the workaround was to use #SEL (select) as pause.


This has now been fixed and #PAU works with the following behaviour:


When #PAU is used, the movie pauses with the video info pane and playbar overlaid and to resume the new #PLU command must be used - #PLA (play/pause) will not do it.


However, if you use #PLA to pause (which previously did not work) the movie will pause without the info pane - I quite like this - looks a bit more elegant without the distracting graphics.


Sending #PLA again will resume the movie as expected, but #PLU will also do it, so a slightly different programmatical approach is needed.


I'd suggest using #PLU on the play button and #PLA on the pause button, so the play button will not pause, but the pause button will both play and pause.


If the info screen is required, the select button (#SEL ) can still be used for info on pause and of course #SYS for info without pausing.


One thing that is a shame is that none of these commands work from the HT2 poster screen, #SEL must be used and the fanart page cannot be bypassed - a better way of doing it (IMHO) would be for #PLU to invoke play from either the poster page or fanart page and #SEL behaviour stays as is.

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These scenes were in movie „Killing of the Sacred Deer”. The is a scene in the begining, a familly supper: the scene is crowed, lots of objects on the screen. Camera moving slowly and then choppy playback occured, have to pause and resume to get rid of it.
Me vero4k is playing this just fine.

Don't suppose you can PM a link - I'd be interested to see what the issue is...

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Standby Behaviour

Standby has not been fixed in v2.2.65


The unit still says "bye" on the front display when entering standby and this remains after powering on again.


The unit cannot be brought out of Standby by either RS232 commands or IP commands, IR commands must be used. Indeed, sending the IP powerOn command shuts the box down into full power off!


I would also question the validity of Standby anyway since the unit stays powered on and simply sends a blank signal to the HDMI out - ie, the HDMI output is still active, it's just a black screen.


*** After more testing ***


If you set Deep Sleep to <on> in Developer options, things get even more wacky - just composing an email to Support


My advice if you're using any kind of home automation is to steer clear of Standby for now!
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That’s disappointing, thanks for the feedback.

Zidoo’s software developers don’t appear to have a grip on the seamless branching issue.
It’s as if the original development team has left and the maintainers don’t have software development skills to fix the issue.
When it comes to HD/UHD blu-Ray movies it remains an MKV player.
We will have to agree to differ. Although there are certainly issues with HD/UHD menu playback it is far from unusable. However the lack of progress in the main issues is disappointing.
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Has anyone installed the v2.2.65 beta? It's available directly from Zidoo's site from the links below, not sure how stable it is though.

- ZIDOO Z9S v2.2.65
MD5: 23e6d71e1987992d71a0f6bc85475eb3
- ZIDOO Z10 v2.2.65
MD5: 7c9ea2fb93fb5b0970e0a5715ec8935d
I've d/l and installed this but there is still no announcement on the official Zidoo forum. Is this a beta beta!!

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We will have to agree to differ. Although there are certainly issues with HD/UHD menu playback it is far from unusable. However the lack of progress in the main issues is disappointing.
The issue I have with the current state of the Z9s is that if you are playing a HD/UHD movie for the first time (BDMV folders), you can’t predict how well the player will handle playing that movie.
Not unusable but not a predictable viewing experience either.

I hope Zidoo solve the issues.
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