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Agreed. WTF is the use of a camera app on a media player FFS. Surely there are more pressing issues!
I agree, fix the basic functionality issues. Does 2.2.82 fix any of the blu-Ray menu playback issues.
It looked like they had a regression issue with one of the versions you tried, where the player stopped at an m2ts transition.

After reading the change log (next post), it doesn’t look like it fixes any of the blu-Ray menu playback issues. But is m2ts transition broken in this version ?

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New firmware V2.2.82 for Zidoo Z9S/Z10/Z1000/X20/X20pro were released. Pls update online and reinstall Google Play after updating.
Changelog:
System
1. Fix the problem that Google Play cannot log in (should reinstall Google Play after upgrading).
2. Add rec. 2020 mode for HDR to SDR transfer.
3. Optimize WIFI connectivity rate and stability. Fixed Player exception caused by NAS occasional disconnection when WIFI is connected.
Optimize the stability of online playback when connecting WIFI.
4. Optimize NFS connection strategy to avoid Player (Gallery) error caused by network fluctuations.
5. Fixed problem that some audio demo video playback was not smooth.
6. Fixed the no sound problem when playing NAS video caused by network environment fluctuation.
7. Optimize Bluetooth connectivity stability.
8. Optimize system stability.
9. Add mobile phone control function (mobile phone can control all functions of the player).
Device name can be changed in "All Apps" -> "Control Center".
The mobile control app is available on Google Play and will be updated to the Apple Store later.
Please search earch zidoo controller via google play
10. X20pro optimize XLR sound quality.

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1. Subtitle download supports two or more languages downloading at the same time.
2. Optimize DLNA mirror function.
3. Fix Player (Gallery) crash problem caused by ASS,SSA subtitle compatibility.

Bluray Navigation
1. Subtitle download supports two or more languages downloading at the same time.

Poster Wall
1. Optimize custom wallpaper loading to solve the problem of loading long images or high resolution images that are easy to crash.
2. Optimize search interface.
3. Optimize stability.

Music Player
1. Completely rewrite the playback engine, upgrade to ZIDOO MUSIC V5.0
2. Optimize playback stability, fix SACD unexpected jump problem.
3. Add more audio format supporting, such as AIF.
4. In the folder page, support select the original directory structure to browse.
5. Optimize the accuracy of CUE file playback

Quick Settings
1. Subtitle download adds support for multiple languages
2. Modify the settings of the audio original sample rate output switch.
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Crikeys, how long does it take that update to install? And it is 500MB!
Takes about five minutes to install.

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Takes about five minutes to install.
Is m2ts transition broken in this version ? Does it freeze at an m2ts transition ?
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Is m2ts transition broken in this version ? Does it freeze at an m2ts transition ?



Yes


Still freezes on Thor Ragnarok about 4 min in when using menu mode
when using file mode it plays but "glitches across the join" missing a fraction of the second of dialogue
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I agree, fix the basic functionality issues. Does 2.2.82 fix any of the blu-Ray menu playback issues.
It looked like they had a regression issue with one of the versions you tried, where the player stopped at an m2ts transition.

After reading the change log (next post), it doesn’t look like it fixes any of the blu-Ray menu playback issues. But is m2ts transition broken in this version ?
I have two BD's with multiple M2TS transitions. One is Aliens but that won't open at all on the Z9S! The other is the UHD version of Thor Ragnarok. The last main firmware there was noticeable glitches between joins. Now it just pauses at the first join! You can skip forward past it - but come on!!!

Testing on latest firmware with Thor Ragnarok UHD which has four joins.

0:04:25.640 freezes
0:08:39.268 audio and video glitch
2:02:33.929 freezes
2:02:53.657 freezes

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I have two BD's with multiple M2TS transitions. One is Aliens but that won't open at all on the Z9S! The other is the UHD version of Thor Ragnarok. The last main firmware there was noticeable glitches between joins. Now it just pauses at the first join! You can skip forward past it - but come on!!!

Testing on latest firmware with Thor Ragnarok UHD which has four joins.

0:04:25.640 freezes
0:08:39.268 audio and video glitch
2:02:33.929 freezes
2:02:53.657 freezes
Also tested The Great Gatsby UHD disk. This has ten M2TS joins. Everyone has a very noticeable 1 to 2 second skip at the join. Zidoo HAD improved but not eradicated this issue but we now seem to be back where we were!

Let's not even mention forced subs!!!

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Still freezes on Thor Ragnarok about 4 min in when using menu mode
when using file mode it plays but "glitches across the join" missing a fraction of the second of dialogue
The issues have been present for so long now, it’s not looking hopeful for Zidoo fixing broken BDMV folder playback.

You can play MKVs and admire your movie wall, but when it comes to flawless BDMV folder playback, you’ll have to rely on the Pro 4K.

Looks like they also have a regression issue.
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Also tested The Great Gatsby UHD disk. This has ten M2TS joins. Everyone has a very noticeable 1 to 2 second skip at the join. Zidoo HAD improved but not eradicated this issue but we now seem to be back where we were!

Let's not even mention forced subs!!!
Why don’t you ask Markswift to email them with a list of faults, he seems to have the ear of the developers, maybe they’ll listen to him.

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Why don’t you ask Markswift to email them with a list of faults, he seems to have the ear of the developers, maybe they’ll listen to him.
He's well aware as we all are of thee issues so are Zidoo. Its just whether they have the will or skill to fix them

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He's well aware as we all are of thee issues so are Zidoo. Its just whether they have the will or skill to fix them
I know his view is that blu-Ray menu playback is pointless, but it’s much more than simply handling the menus, the blu-Ray player engine is tightly bound up with all the issues e.g. forced subs, seamless branching, obfuscated playlists etc. and it’s with the blu-Ray player engine that Dune’s software development experience really comes to the fore.

They also seem to be better at not introducing regression issues. Their firmware updates may be less frequent but they have proved to be more reliable.

There is a community of users who simply want to play their collection as it would play in a dedicated blu-Ray player.
The spec of the Z9s indicates it should be possible with this player. It’s not there yet.
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I know his view is that blu-Ray menu playback is pointless, but it’s much more than simply handling the menus, the blu-Ray player engine is tightly bound up with all the issues e.g. forced subs, seamless branching, obfuscated playlists etc. and it’s with the blu-Ray player engine that Dune’s software development experience really comes to the fore.

They also seem to be better at not introducing regression issues. Their firmware updates may be less frequent but they have proved to be more reliable.

There is a community of users who simply want to play their collection as it would play in a dedicated blu-Ray player.
The spec of the Z9s indicates it should be possible with this player. It’s not there yet.
I understand to many full bluray menu support is not that important. But I came from a Dune who have long mastered the art - although they were late with UHD support. When it came it was almost flawless. Not that the Dune HD Pro 4K is not riddled with its own issues! I live in hope.

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The zidoo forced me to upgrade. It was asking over and over again. But something went wrong, and the previous update was same. It just keep saying it is busy upgrading and not turn the machine off.

But the wheel never stops. Last time I had to put it off as it was turning all day. But if I do this to soon, it could get bricked.

Also, there was talk for a android app for phone, where you could use the phone as remote and select files. I have not found it...I am watching movies outside and really need it.

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The zidoo forced me to upgrade. It was asking over and over again. But something went wrong, and the previous update was same. It just keep saying it is busy upgrading and not turn the machine off.

But the wheel never stops. Last time I had to put it off as it was turning all day. But if I do this to soon, it could get bricked.

Also, there was talk for a android app for phone, where you could use the phone as remote and select files. I have not found it...I am watching movies outside and really need it.
You can find the phone app in the Google Play Store. Just search for 'Zidoo Controller'

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I've not tried it in 1080 but it has to output in 1080 SDR.2020 if the input is HDR.2020 regardless of resolution if 1080p and SDR.2020 has been set in the options - there's nothing else it can do.
H Mark,
I have a quick question on moving to the OTA 2.2.82 (currently on 2.2.61). I've backed up HT 2.0 with alot of manual matches.
Do I run the OTA update, reattach the HT2.0 sources then run the restore or do I need to do some resets first?
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Anyone tried/ tested the newly added HDR to SDR transfer rec 2020 mode? How good is it?
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I have a quick question on moving to the OTA 2.2.82 (currently on 2.2.61). I've backed up HT 2.0 with alot of manual matches.
Do I run the OTA update, reattach the HT2.0 sources then run the restore or do I need to do some resets first?
Thanks, Brad

There shouldn't be a need to backup the HT2 database when updating firmware - it's only wiped when you use the emergency backup procedure to get back to factory with a full image (not an OTA one), but belt and braces, it's always a good idea to keep backups.


So you can either update from their server directly (OTA - over the air) or you can download the file and update from USB - either way it's the same deal. Your settings and HT2 settings won't be touched.


If you ever have the need to restore from an HT2 backup, it restores everything including manual matches and sources.
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Anyone tried/ tested the newly added HDR to SDR transfer rec 2020 mode? How good is it?
Yes I was beta testing it and helping out with it's application - it's very good. Basically BT.2020 material is passed though as far as chroma is concerned and you have a choice of 3 gamma curves for luminance tone mapping.


If you can use it, the result is much better than the standard HDR - SDR conversion since there is no colour space conversion and you don't get the posterisation you do with the full conversion.


It's another tool in the box for those with projectors who can choose BT.2020 decoding separately from gamma and prefer the box to tone map rather than the display (JVCs for example if you don't want to get into designing gamma curves).


Also extremely handy for those with projectors (and I guess TVs if there are any) that can select BT.2020 decoding but do not have HDR mapping - some of the Epsons for example.
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Yes I was beta testing it and helping out with it's application - it's very good. Basically BT.2020 material is passed though as far as chroma is concerned and you have a choice of 3 gamma curves for luminance tone mapping.


If you can use it, the result is much better than the standard HDR - SDR conversion since there is no colour space conversion and you don't get the posterisation you do with the full conversion.


It's another tool in the box for those with projectors who can choose BT.2020 decoding separately from gamma and prefer the box to tone map rather than the display.


Also extremely handy for those with projectors (and I guess TVs if there are any) that can select BT.2020 decoding but do not have HDR mapping - some of the Epsons for example.
Thanks, any ideas how good is it as compared to Panasonic UB820/9000 and madVR?
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Thanks, any ideas how good is it as compared to Panasonic UB820/9000 and madVR?

I doesn't have the same flexibility as you get with the Panny and the luminance slider, but it's effectively doing the same job, so I reckon once set up correctly, it'd be as good - no reason why not.


It's never going to touch MadVR - nothing will, short of an LRP with DTM.


There's a guy I was talking to while testing who has an Oppo and he reckons once he's got the PJ set up, it's better than the Oppo SDR.2020.
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There shouldn't be a need to backup the HT2 database when updating firmware - it's only wiped when you use the emergency backup procedure to get back to factory with a full image (not an OTA one), but belt and braces, it's always a good idea to keep backups.


So you can either update from their server directly (OTA - over the air) or you can download the file and update from USB - either way it's the same deal. Your settings and HT2 settings won't be touched.


If you ever have the need to restore from an HT2 backup, it restores everything including manual matches and sources.
Thanks Mark, fastest and cleanest upgrade since I’ve had the Zidoo. All my settings and HT 2.0 Library came through fully preserved.
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It is me, or does this new firmware look so much better (sharper and brighter) in hdr than previous firmwares?

On my Epson, I just watched several hdr 4k movies with new firmware, and video seems brighter and detailed and rich..

Before was much darker and not as vivid on colours..

I was using same gamma setting for both firmwares...


A side note for the hdr to sdr 2020.

Whrn I do this, I loose advanced audio... Zidoo outputs PCM instead of atmos etc...

Weird...
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Yes I was beta testing it and helping out with it's application - it's very good. Basically BT.2020 material is passed though as far as chroma is concerned and you have a choice of 3 gamma curves for luminance tone mapping.


If you can use it, the result is much better than the standard HDR - SDR conversion since there is no colour space conversion and you don't get the posterisation you do with the full conversion.


It's another tool in the box for those with projectors who can choose BT.2020 decoding separately from gamma and prefer the box to tone map rather than the display (JVCs for example if you don't want to get into designing gamma curves).


Also extremely handy for those with projectors (and I guess TVs if there are any) that can select BT.2020 decoding but do not have HDR mapping - some of the Epsons for example.
It’s a shame that the new functionality has been added to an earlier version of their firmware, seamless branching support has taken a step backwards.
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It is me, or does this new firmware look so much better (sharper and brighter) in hdr than previous firmwares?

On my Epson, I just watched several hdr 4k movies with new firmware, and video seems brighter and detailed and rich..

Before was much darker and not as vivid on colours..

I was using same gamma setting for both firmwares...


A side note for the hdr to sdr 2020.

Whrn I do this, I loose advanced audio... Zidoo outputs PCM instead of atmos etc...

Weird...

I think it may be just you


I don't believe anything was done in terms of image quality in this beta - not much they can do if you're passing HDR straight through.


No issues here with HD audio in SDR.2020.

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I don't believe anything was done in terms of image quality in this beta - not much they can do if you're passing HDR straight through.


No issues here with HD audio in SDR.2020.
Maybe.

Eitherway very happy so far with picture..

Just have to test more with PCM sound output when switched on..
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Maybe.

Eitherway very happy so far with picture..

Just have to test more with PCM sound output when switched on..


Yeah, it's a real odd one that - I certainly never noticed that while testing and after your post I thought I'd better double check, but no, the audio remains as a bitstream with all formats here.

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Yeah, it's a real odd one that - I certainly never noticed that while testing and after your post I thought I'd better double check, but no, the audio remains as a bitstream with all formats here.
Thanks for testing again..

Must be my setup..
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New firmware V2.2.82 for Zidoo Z9S/Z10/Z1000/X20/X20pro were released. Pls update online and reinstall Google Play after updating.
Changelog:
System
1. Fix the problem that Google Play cannot log in (should reinstall Google Play after upgrading).
2. Add rec. 2020 mode for HDR to SDR transfer.
3. Optimize WIFI connectivity rate and stability. Fixed Player exception caused by NAS occasional disconnection when WIFI is connected.
Optimize the stability of online playback when connecting WIFI.
4. Optimize NFS connection strategy to avoid Player (Gallery) error caused by network fluctuations.
5. Fixed problem that some audio demo video playback was not smooth.
6. Fixed the no sound problem when playing NAS video caused by network environment fluctuation.
7. Optimize Bluetooth connectivity stability.
8. Optimize system stability.
9. Add mobile phone control function (mobile phone can control all functions of the player).
Device name can be changed in "All Apps" -> "Control Center".
The mobile control app is available on Google Play and will be updated to the Apple Store later.
Please search earch zidoo controller via google play
10. X20pro optimize XLR sound quality.

Video Player
1. Subtitle download supports two or more languages downloading at the same time.
2. Optimize DLNA mirror function.
3. Fix Player (Gallery) crash problem caused by ASS,SSA subtitle compatibility.

Bluray Navigation
1. Subtitle download supports two or more languages downloading at the same time.

Poster Wall
1. Optimize custom wallpaper loading to solve the problem of loading long images or high resolution images that are easy to crash.
2. Optimize search interface.
3. Optimize stability.

Music Player
1. Completely rewrite the playback engine, upgrade to ZIDOO MUSIC V5.0
2. Optimize playback stability, fix SACD unexpected jump problem.
3. Add more audio format supporting, such as AIF.
4. In the folder page, support select the original directory structure to browse.
5. Optimize the accuracy of CUE file playback

Quick Settings
1. Subtitle download adds support for multiple languages
2. Modify the settings of the audio original sample rate output switch.
Last week my Zidoo pop up a message to install the latest firmware.. i am not sure if this was it.. i then clicked ok.. it then hanged halfway with the robot picture.. i left it there for something like 40 hours.. it's still hanging with the same robot image... then i just power off and power on.. it seems to be able to work.. i am not sure if something is wrong with the update now...

Should I re-install the firmware?
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Also, any other good alternative to the zidoo now?
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Also, any other good alternative to the zidoo now?
Dune Pro 4K, none of the issues that the Z9s with glitchy menu playback from BDMV folders, handles seamless branching and forced subs.

The Z9s plays MKVs OK. Seamless branching handling has taken a step backwards with the latest firmware.
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